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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:06 PM Original message |
Greider at The Nation on how they are "reforming" Social Security without saying it out loud. |
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CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. How dare Obama turn against Social Security? |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. This is not what I expect from a supposedly Democratic President. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. +1,000 n/t |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
40. Some of us saw the "stealth" before, but were attacked if we dared hint at it. |
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zabet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 08:00 AM Response to Reply #40 |
51. +1,000,000 |
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peace frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:08 AM Response to Reply #40 |
57. Exactly |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #40 |
91. I never attacked anyone, |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #91 |
146. AMEN! |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 07:04 PM Response to Reply #91 |
216. Yours is the pain that bothers me the most about all of this..... people who have had their trust |
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TampaAnimus2010 (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #91 |
250. Why didn't they index it to cover increases in life expectancy? |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:31 AM Response to Reply #40 |
108. Having phone banked and beat the streets for this four flusher |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 05:25 PM Response to Reply #108 |
197. I'm with you......I feel quite betrayed. n/t |
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Peregrine Took (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 05:53 PM Response to Reply #197 |
207. We once drove 100 miles to see the 4 flusher now I wouldn't cross the street. |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #40 |
161. Absolutely |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #161 |
168. Unfortunately, both Hillary (a corporatist hawk) and Edwards (a monumental douche) are as bad |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #168 |
243. It is time for a monumental effort for a write in campaign |
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icee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
60. I have said that for a long time now. He is a DINO, a hired gun |
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Citizen Worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:31 AM Response to Reply #2 |
66. Obama not a democrat? |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #66 |
102. Not just Hillary and Obama, |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #102 |
134. They are doing God's work |
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Mike K (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
151. The simple fact is |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #151 |
162. "Brand Obama"... |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
178. That's not entirely true |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 10:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
90. Just one more betrayal in a very long line, Peggy. |
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bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
135. Clinton did the same deal--and except for Monica, would have |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
147. Beyond forming a committee which doesn't appear to have done anything yet |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:42 AM Response to Reply #147 |
229. He didn't get the votes for the binding proposal so he went Executive Order |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
3. The notion that the President is secretly reforming Social Security is ludicrous. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:28 PM Original message |
Coming from you I take anything you say with a grain of salt. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
8. Thanks for letting me know. n/t |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 08:35 AM Response to Original message |
55. +1000! |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
110. Clearly! nt |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
173. Agreed. |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:47 PM Response to Reply #3 |
20. Do not be surprised when Grieder is proven correct. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:49 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. So far he's batting 1000. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:09 PM Response to Reply #20 |
37. Well, he's not correct about it being a secret. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:47 AM Response to Reply #37 |
113. Yeah like not assessing even the barest |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #37 |
138. that's a senate report, not the report of the deficit commission. & some of |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 07:38 PM Response to Reply #138 |
218. Remember all the good things we were going to get out of |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:35 PM Response to Reply #218 |
222. And O gets away with it solely because of that stinking "D" after his name. |
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icee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:18 AM Response to Reply #3 |
61. I no longer believe anything you say. No matter what he does, |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:55 AM Response to Reply #61 |
74. + 100000. |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #61 |
148. So the article from the Senate Committee of Aging is a forgery? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #61 |
170. Pot meet kettle, when everything you say goes against him, your |
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icee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:28 PM Response to Reply #170 |
184. Way past that with this one... But, clearly, I see where you are. |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #61 |
187. There are several like that here |
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icee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #187 |
192. Yeah. I understand what you mean. Let's alls stick together. |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #192 |
194. Works for me |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:37 PM Response to Reply #61 |
223. Unfortunately, I don't think so. I think everyone is either too beaten down, or just mesmerized. |
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icee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:36 PM Response to Reply #223 |
226. And that, sir, is my greatest fear. For then we are truly doomed. I |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 07:28 PM Response to Reply #226 |
257. Your scenario gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "Just shoot me". |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:18 AM Response to Reply #3 |
62. Bookmarking. nt |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:53 AM Response to Reply #3 |
73. If you deny it, there must be something to it. |
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Yuugal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #73 |
176. +1 |
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Change Happens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #3 |
84. THANK YOU! |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 10:59 AM Response to Reply #3 |
98. Considering how your batting average is .000, NOW I'm really worried. |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
177. Yes, this has been debunked before. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 06:42 PM Response to Reply #177 |
211. Read who is on the debt commission. |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
5. Correct Me If I Am Misinformed |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. "cannot act without a vote in Congress" |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
38. I'm Not Sure About Unsubstantiated |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:18 AM Response to Reply #38 |
63. Vigilance.... Always. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:31 AM Response to Reply #5 |
65. And that is only because the Senate did not pass the bill for the creation of the commission. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:07 AM Response to Reply #65 |
227. A couple of important points: |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #227 |
251. We dodged the first bullet, |
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monmouth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
7. Obama's mother-in-law will straighten him out soon enough...n/t |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
9. I'll eat my shorts if politicians actually vote to end Social Security. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Maybe we need to means test it though. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 08:23 AM Response to Reply #10 |
53. No we don't need to means test it, but we do need to remove the payroll tax cap. (nt) |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:12 AM Response to Reply #53 |
59. If we did that, wouldn't the people making huge salaries get an even bigger check when they retire? |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 10:03 AM Response to Reply #59 |
81. The relationship between paying in & taking out later is not linear. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:32 AM Response to Reply #53 |
67. +1000 nt |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #53 |
142. removing the cap is a trojan horse intended to dissolve support for the program |
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bullwinkle428 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 10:09 AM Response to Reply #10 |
87. Means testing will make it easier for them to completely dismantle it |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #10 |
119. I believe a 'means test' |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #119 |
137. Thank you for that post, femrap. I agree with you. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #119 |
141. more means-testing is a trojan horse intended to dissolve support for the program |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #141 |
190. I guess |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 01:16 AM Response to Reply #190 |
234. Social security is financed by workers; the well-heeled pay more (total) going in; |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #234 |
253. I don't disagree with you. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #10 |
140. social security is already means-tested through the tax on benefits. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
154. Absolutely. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Nowhere did I say they would "end" it. |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Correct. I will eat my shorts if politicians vote to privatize Social Security |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:02 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. No, NO..They aren't going to "END" Social Security. |
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tango-tee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 07:51 AM Response to Reply #16 |
50. I've learned to be on the lookout |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:34 AM Response to Reply #16 |
68. None so blind as those...nt |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:59 AM Response to Reply #16 |
78. Yup, yup. That's it. Lying liars that lie. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #16 |
120. Yep |
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Change Happens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 10:05 AM Response to Reply #9 |
83. +1 |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
139. they won't. they'll vote for "tweaks" intended to divide support for it. |
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Mike K (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
175. There will never be a vote to "end Social Security." |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
13. Recommend - small nuanced changes enacted by congress |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
14. Greider's article is also at MichaelMoore.com |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:07 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Thanks for that link. Having trouble staying logged in at The Nation |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
15. Hands Off Social Security and Medicare! We need them !! //nt |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:24 AM Response to Reply #15 |
106. The seeds for the destruction of Medicare have already been planted... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #106 |
143. that's how they do it. they never do it all at once; that would arouse too much opposition. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
18. Take time to read all of the Alternet article. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:39 AM Response to Reply #18 |
69. The timing of the commission's recommendations is telling, is it not? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
19. IF done, neither he nor we will see a Democratic President in 2012...or EVER AGAIN. |
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Hardrada (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:16 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. He is our Tony Blair, as someone said. He IS in office with an agenda. |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:25 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. +1,000. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:52 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. I am sure he feels he's doing God's work. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:07 PM Response to Reply #21 |
122. + kazillion...nt |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #21 |
127. He is beyond your stale tired ideological debates and petty partisan bickering! |
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icee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #21 |
185. I said that. It becomes clearer every day. |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
22. Now you have done it! I had a fairly good day - babysat 4 great |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:52 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. Other than the usual liberal groups, I don't think Senior Citizens have ever organized . . . |
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icee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:23 AM Response to Reply #30 |
64. I don't think that would work this time. The guns will come out |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #64 |
123. 'normal teaparty people' |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #30 |
179. When AARP started it was an advocacy group and had some clout |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #179 |
180. delete |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 05:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
205. seniors organized as the Gray Panthers in the 1970s to fight mandatory retirement |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
24. No surprise. Wait til Medicare is privatized now that the new health insurance mandate is in place |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:44 AM Response to Reply #24 |
72. The cuts HCR made to Medicare is the set up for that. |
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LiberalLovinLug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #72 |
131. Yes thats the way right wing governments do it. |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
25. Thank you - I'm bookmarking this |
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Carter Hayes (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Agree and thank you |
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LongTomH (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
27. I like this paragraph from the Greider article: |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:54 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. +all in. nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:54 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Agree with you and, ironically, as far as I know, Seniors have never organized????? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #34 |
144. ? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:27 PM Response to Reply #144 |
224. Thank you -- hadn't heard much about them . . . even here at DU!! |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 04:14 AM Response to Reply #224 |
235. they used to get quite a bit of press -- not so much these days. but seniors also |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #235 |
249. Thanks for the info -- and I think we should get them back in picture . . . |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
29. One more reason we need a more liberal/progressive candidate in 2012 . . . |
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ColesCountyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:43 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. Don't you mean 2012? n/t |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:45 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Thank you . . . we need a liberal/progressive Dem candidate 2012. . . !! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
32. The Nation is so slow tonight...try this link from xchrom above. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
35. Thanks for this. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:05 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I think their job should be the least they lose. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #35 |
111. Not just the Cato Institute, but the Republican Wing of the Democratic Party, the DLC. |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
39. Amazing , this is something I would |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:23 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. TPM's Josh Marshall once called it "phasing out" Social Security. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #41 |
145. exactly. if they abolished it all at once, people would be up in arms. it's |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 08:47 AM Response to Reply #39 |
56. Not so sure Obama is a Democrat, not at this point. |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:58 AM Response to Reply #56 |
77. After his speech |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 10:31 AM Response to Reply #77 |
93. I find myself more and more unable to listen, |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:50 AM Response to Original message |
44. K+R Thank you for keeping us informed again Madflo. |
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bonnieS (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 06:43 AM Response to Original message |
45. Privatizing |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 07:50 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. This is what I am saying. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 07:36 AM Response to Original message |
46. Is Obama even a |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
47. Wow! The news gets worse all the time. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 07:50 AM Response to Original message |
49. k&r |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 08:10 AM Response to Original message |
52. If Obama's picks on that council try to support cutting benifits then Obama is toast. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
54. Guess who is exec director of the debt commission. Bruce Reed. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
58. How many here are within "shouting distance" of retirement?....I am and this REALLY pisses me off ! |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
70. This would be an attack on the Baby Boomers....Wow. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 10:02 AM Response to Reply #70 |
80. The time for raising hell is now |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 10:38 AM Response to Reply #80 |
94. I agree...What can/should we do?...For one thing, should we re-institute the CFA's Pledge? |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:11 AM Response to Reply #94 |
100. CFA pledge would be a good start |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #100 |
103. I believe Campaign for America's Future started this...They may be the people to go back to. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Good information. Thanks. nt |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #105 |
114. Your very welcome.....I've got more information here about the convention. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:46 AM Response to Reply #103 |
112. I think it starts about June 7 this year. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #112 |
115. Yes, it starts on June 7th...Check out the post below yours. I have more details. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Sorry...I meant the post Above yours...I've got the details here, at any rate. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #112 |
149. peterson's group is planning a major propaganda offensive in june - with town halls, etc. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #149 |
165. That is so disturbing. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 05:32 PM Response to Reply #149 |
203. Thanks for that....We should prepare for it. n/t |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:47 AM Response to Reply #203 |
231. yes. organizing & getting the word out should be happening now. |
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Peregrine Took (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 06:05 PM Response to Reply #149 |
208. Thanks for posting this link - looks like a great site! n/t |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
71. K & R |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
75. The first post-baby boom, Reagan-era president. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #75 |
128. I've long felt that |
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Change Happens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
76. One IMPORTANT thing, the money you speak about is not there --- Already spent by our government(s) |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 10:07 AM Response to Reply #76 |
85. Fix it without privatizing it. Fix it without destroying it. |
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Change Happens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 06:50 AM Response to Reply #85 |
236. Agreed..nt |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 10:11 AM Response to Reply #76 |
88. Yes, they have 'borrowed' from the fund constantly... |
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Change Happens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 06:52 AM Response to Reply #88 |
237. So true...Yes, and very sad for our country |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #76 |
101. True...but isn't this exactly where the "fight" has always been?.. |
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westerebus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #76 |
118. Like HELL it's not !!!!! |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #118 |
125. + a few trillion. nt |
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westerebus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #125 |
136. I didn't want to count all the mortgages we own. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:57 PM Response to Reply #118 |
129. I fear |
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westerebus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #129 |
130. I know how you feel. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #130 |
133. Thanks for reminding me.... |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #118 |
132. Well Said! |
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westerebus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #132 |
150. thanks. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #76 |
152. the money in your bank account is also "spent". |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #76 |
246. The only fix is to be accountable and call in the IOUs. n/t |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
79. fuck him |
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Change Happens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 10:04 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Who? |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
86. I participated in a focus group and the gist of it was to figure out how to inform |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #86 |
97. Interesting...I already knew of that option, but I wanted it to be a choice, not a mandate. n/t |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:33 PM Response to Reply #86 |
126. Part of the plan is to have private investment firms benefit more.... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #86 |
155. the problem with that is that additional life expectancy has mostly accrued to the |
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n.michigan (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
89. Obama's Ugly New America discards the elderly, poor, sick- a national disgrace. |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
92. Doug Henwood has also been on this for a long time... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #92 |
156. great charts. these facts need to get out there. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
95. Oopps, a dupe |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
96. Thanks for the great articles on Social Security, |
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happygoluckytoyou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
99. JUST sent a clip from this to WHITEHOUSE.GOV... asking HOW DARE YOU.... please do as well |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
104. While it's true that the math surrounding Social Security |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #104 |
109. Our payroll taxes financed the tax cuts for the wealthy. |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:06 PM Response to Reply #109 |
121. They financed all kinds of things |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:24 PM Response to Reply #121 |
124. Retirement age has already been raised and benefits are already barely enough to stave off ... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #104 |
157. the money was borrowed by capital; over 1 trillion in income tax cuts to the top 1% |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #157 |
239. Agreed, they don't want to pay it back |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #239 |
240. it's not a ponzi scheme. |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:58 AM Response to Reply #240 |
241. It's being run like one |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:07 PM Response to Reply #241 |
242. it's not a ponzi scheme. my retirement plans are immaterial to this discussion. |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #242 |
245. OK, you keep on believing that, if you want to |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #245 |
247. i will continue to believe it because it's true. SS is nothing like a ponzi scheme, |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
107. K&R |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
117. The BEST fix. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
153. Lots of big rhetoric without specifics here. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #153 |
158. there's no scenario under which young people wind up paying 1/3 of their income to subsidize |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #158 |
163. We're nearly there already. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #163 |
166. exactly the same % taken out of my check: 7.65%. Medicaid is funded through income taxes & state |
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Kermitt Gribble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #163 |
181. I'm an hourly wage worker. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 05:28 PM Response to Reply #181 |
200. That's a very big chunk. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:33 AM Response to Reply #200 |
228. income tax has nothing to do with social security. social security tax is 6.2% of your paycheck. |
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Kermitt Gribble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #200 |
244. And when you're old and retired, |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #244 |
252. I'd pay more |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #153 |
159. Wrong thread.. |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #153 |
160. I've already paid a huge chunk of my income to social security |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:25 PM Response to Reply #160 |
164. You didn't "pay into" anything. No one did. |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #164 |
167. Um, I didn't write "paid into" anywhere...kindly don't put words in my keyboard |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #167 |
172. you wrote: "I'd BETTER FUCKING GET BACK WHAT I PAID IN" |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 05:27 PM Response to Reply #172 |
199. What I paid INTO THE SYSTEM |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 05:33 PM Response to Reply #199 |
204. Becuase its all about you personally and your story. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:51 AM Response to Reply #204 |
232. in fact, we paid for the benefits of others & over 1 trillion extra, which was funneled to the top |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #153 |
169. Given your posting history... |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #169 |
174. People who think that being progressive |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 06:45 PM Response to Reply #174 |
213. You are posting a lot of accusations about me. Please back them up. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 06:43 PM Response to Reply #153 |
212. Overreaching accusations from me? Do you have examples? |
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activa8tr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
171. I'm not going to win any friends here by what I, (as a Soc Sec recipient) say ..but |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:27 PM Response to Reply #171 |
183. thanks for sharing your story nt |
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icee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #171 |
188. I am absolutely not. If Obama handles SS reforms like he did HCR, |
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activa8tr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #188 |
191. Well, I'm not sure how you arrived at that, but of course Obama had to deal with |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #191 |
193. Deleted message |
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214. Deleted message |
whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 05:28 PM Response to Reply #191 |
201. How about dealing with the REAL "problem"....Senseless, bankrupting wars? |
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activa8tr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #201 |
215. Yeah, I'm all for that, and so are most seniors who are veterans |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 01:04 AM Response to Reply #191 |
233. social security is almost 3 trillion in the black. it's not broken. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 05:31 PM Response to Reply #171 |
202. You are very wrong. |
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activa8tr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #202 |
217. What am I "so very wrong" about? I'd love to learn something I don't |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:43 AM Response to Reply #171 |
230. SS isn't a ponzi scheme. This is a right-wing meme. |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
182. Until we get corporate money out of politics, nothing will change n/t |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
186. Ironically enough, a Republican president had some wise words on this subject (among others) |
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activa8tr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #186 |
189. True enough. But where do people posting here on this thread get the |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 05:09 PM Response to Reply #189 |
195. It's been on the DLC's list for years. |
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stevietheman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
196. Now _this_ is the loony left. Exhibit A. |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 05:41 PM Response to Reply #196 |
206. wow--a real "deep thinker," aren't you? |
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Peregrine Took (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 06:06 PM Response to Reply #196 |
209. He certainly is a man of his word. We know that, right?????????????? |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 06:32 PM Response to Reply #196 |
210. You forgot the little sarcasm thingie, huh? nt |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:35 PM Response to Reply #196 |
225. First time I have been called the loony left. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
198. Maybe we should have paid more attention to his reagan adoration fetish. |
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icee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:21 PM Response to Reply #198 |
221. I've thought that for a while now. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
219. The comedic genius of Alan Greenspan |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
220. DISASTER CAPITALISM |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 07:03 AM Response to Original message |
238. Obama and Congressional Dems are already skating on the thin edge of not getting my vote |
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dajoki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
248. If they do that... |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
254. A look back at a Greider video, Feb. 2009. Looting Social Security. |
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stillwaiting (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
255. Social Security funds/Medicare clearly are the target and the prize. |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
256. Wow. Too late to rec. |
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