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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 06:39 PM
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Rand Paul is at war against Causality
From Wikipedia:

Causality is the relationship between an event (the cause) and a second event (the effect), where the second event is a consequence of the first.

The philosophical treatment of causality extends over millennia. In the Western philosophical tradition, discussion stretches back at least to Aristotle, and the topic remains a staple in contemporary philosophy. Aristotle distinguished between accidental (cause preceding effect) and essential causality (one event seen in two ways). Aristotle's example of essential causality is a builder building a house. This single event can be analyzed into the builder building (cause) and the house being built (effect).

Aristotle also had a theory that answered the question "why?" in four different ways. The first was material cause, next was formal cause, then efficient cause, and lastly was final cause. These rules are known as "Aristotle's four causes"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality


But in Rand Paul's world, Causality does not apply to businesses, especially in regard to tragic events such as mine explosions and the Gulf of Mexico oil disaster:

On the oil spill, Paul, a libertarian and tea party favorite, said he had heard nothing from BP indicating it wouldn't pay for the spill that threatens devastating environmental damage along the Gulf of Mexico coast.

"And I think it's part of this sort of blame-game society in the sense that it's always got to be somebody's fault instead of the fact that maybe sometimes accidents happen," Paul said.

The Senate candidate also referred to a Kentucky coal mine accident that killed two men, saying he had met with the families and he admired the coal miners' courage.

"We had a mining accident that was very tragic. ... Then we come in and it's always someone's fault. Maybe sometimes accidents happen," he said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37273085/ns/politics-decision_2010/



That's right, no need for OSHA regulations or tort law, because according to Paul, "Shit Happens".


Really.


Dear Kentucky voter,

Your life and safety isn't worth squat against the profits of corporations, according to Rand Paul.

Sincerely,

Common Sense.



I really think that the more this deluded fool opens his mouth the better our chances of sending another Democrat to the Senate.


More Rand Paul interviews please.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 06:42 PM
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1. Objectivism is like Communism
Looks good on paper, but falls apart in real life.
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 06:46 PM
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2. ACCIDENTS CAN BE PREVENTED, YOU MORON!!!
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alstephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 06:50 PM
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3. Sorry, no mor interviews. Rand is "exhausted"....
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 06:51 PM
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4. The Paul Clan picked a really bad time for their little revolution
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 07:00 PM
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5. He confuses me.
Edited on Fri May-21-10 07:47 PM by drm604
I've always been under the impression that libertarians are big on personal responsibility. I've heard them talk about how, instead of environmental or safety laws, we should instead count on people being deterred by the threat of lawsuits from those they've harmed through their carelessness (or callousness).

In their perfect society, everyone would behave because they'd know that if they caused a problem they would have to pay for it.

Yet here's Mr. Libertarian saying "we shouldn't point fingers", "accidents happen", "we shouldn't blame anyone for these things". Something's not gibing here. I call bullshit.

This isn't Libertariansm, this is protect-the-privileged-and-wealthy-ism.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 07:05 PM
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6. Damn Skippy nt
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 07:49 PM
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11. I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me or criticizing me.
:shrug:
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 08:07 PM
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12. "Damn Skippy:"
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 08:09 AM
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13. You learn something new every day.
To me, calling someone "skippy" was being condescending. I wasn't familiar with this usage. Thank you for educating me. :hi:
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miscsoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 07:26 PM
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9. 100% on the money
i said something similar below before i read your post. libertarianism my ass.
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miscsoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 07:12 PM
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7. BP were well aware of the risks, so were the mining companies
Edited on Fri May-21-10 07:16 PM by miscsoc
It's obviously their fault when things like these happen.

If I drive a little drunk I'll probably not run anyone over but if I do, it's my fault if I hit someone. I can't brush it off as an accident.

It's not like the oil rig was hit by a meteor - they took the risk, they have to take responsibility for the consequences.

Is he against prosecuting drunk drivers who actually kill people because they were driving loaded? I thought these libertarians at least were into personal responsibility for the consequences of your actions.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 07:16 PM
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8. And the more he talks the more people will see libertarianism for what it is.
Someone should tell Rand Paul that if he hates government so much he should move to Somalia, the Libertarian's paradise.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 07:40 PM
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10. Paul's "World" would spur rumors aplenty like those surrounding "Bessie Smith".
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 08:18 AM
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14. It's Good He And The Silliness Of "Libertarianism" Is Exposed...
First...I still think Paulbot Jr. stands a very good chance of winning in Kentucky. No offense to the many good DUers who live there, but this is a state which has been crimson red and getting redder. I see around here, in limited degrees, the rise of the "libertarians" over the past 4 or so years and how the "small government" BS really does have an appeal...even if its tied to racism or turning out the poorest and most disadvantaged in our society. They feel we're all "on our own" and that the state governments have all the answers...all the federal should do is "protect the borders".

It didn't take long for Rachel...and even a lightweight like Streptecocus to shoot holes through the absusrdity of the "libertarian" philosophy (or lack of it). Yes, it's embarassing for Paulbot Jr. to try to defend his positions in a rational setting, but within the great unhinged, he's still a hero and the more media scrutiny he gets the more he'll play "victim" and try to rally the wingnuts around him.

Bottom line is the GOOP bench is thin...real thin. It's the most obscure and obnoxious who are rising to the top...distancing and detatching themselves from reality and the majority of the electorate every time their "views" are exposed.
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