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Sun May-23-10 07:33 PM
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Is BP's long range plan on this gusher to make the gulf |
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Edited on Sun May-23-10 07:39 PM by shraby
a total dead zone so no one will complain about oil wells in it anymore?
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Sun May-23-10 07:34 PM
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1. stranger things have been done by corporations nt |
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Sun May-23-10 07:34 PM
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2. I think I might throw up...they are that evil. |
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Sun May-23-10 07:35 PM
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3. Considering that they dumped nearly a million gallons of highly toxic carcinogen/mutagen in it... |
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You might be on to something here.
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Sun May-23-10 07:41 PM
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I Wouldn't have any reason not to believe it.
What was Cheney in Saudi Arabia for?Anyone know?Who else was there?sort of an Enron kind of meeting?Or a 9/11 kind of planning meeting?
Also they could use it against Obama,of course.
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Sun May-23-10 07:41 PM
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5. I have seen no evidence to that effect ... |
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Sun May-23-10 07:48 PM
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8. Yup, the toxic stuff they are using to disperse the oil instead of |
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gather it. Nothing like seeing to it that it goes far and wide.
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Sun May-23-10 07:55 PM
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12. And this is approved of by the EPA ... |
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Are you also suggesting that the federal government is a part of this plan to make the Gulf a dead zone?
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Sun May-23-10 08:34 PM
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26. Didn't the EPA Tell them to Stop, and BP Ignored it? |
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Am I missing something here?
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Sun May-23-10 08:43 PM
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28. The EPA gave them 24 hours to find a new dispersant... |
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,but BP told them that they couldn't find a suitable substitute. The EPA let them then resume using the Corexit.
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Sun May-23-10 09:23 PM
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32. They didn't "ignore" it ... |
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As a heavily related aside, this is the problem I am having with a number of the complaints about how things are being handled on the government end. Some blogger or journalist or editor uses the term "ignore," and that's what we get perpetually despite it being factually untrue. This clouds the depth of the situation and make effective evaluation much more difficult.
In any case, the directive was made, and a response was given. EPA called a meeting. This is all available at the EPA's website, including PDFs of the letters exchanged so far.
Here's the wrinkle. BP is claiming CBI (confidential business information) with some of their data, which is important in the determination of whether the dispersant being used is a) effective and/or b) unacceptably toxic. (It's all toxic. We would best not forget that because whatever is done, it's going to be a trade-off.) The mere claim of CBI triggers an aspect of US law that doesn't allow governmental agencies to make certain data public. The EPA is pressing back and forcing BP to justify their claim of CBI, meanwhile publishing all data that doesn't fall under CBI guidelines immediately upon receipt. EPA should release another statement tomorrow regarding the current status of this.
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Sun May-23-10 09:30 PM
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33. Thank You for that Clarification Roy |
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It's good to know the facts on that, because it was somewhat unclear, which is why I asked if I was missing something.
Thanks for making it clearer.
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Sun May-23-10 09:46 PM
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36. Well, it's a mess ... |
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... so it's unclear by definition. Here's a direct link to where you can find source information. It's updated as new items are made available. http://www.epa.gov/bpspill/dispersants.html
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Sun May-23-10 07:59 PM
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14. This is nothing short of environmental terrorism. This stuff is not just merely "toxic", |
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Sun May-23-10 07:51 PM
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Sun May-23-10 07:54 PM
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The OP is suggesting an intentional effort to make the Gulf a "total Dead Zone."
I see no reason to attribute to design what is explained handily by greed and incompetence.
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Sun May-23-10 08:07 PM
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16. I don't know if that matters ... |
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I don't see one as better than the other. Whether BP is intentionally doing this or whether they did it intentionally indirectly through their greed and shortcuts and poor practices, the result is the same. Everything is fucked.
When I was a kid, I shot out the window in a spare screen door we had in our garage. I didn't intend to shoot out the window and make the door unusable. What I intended to do was hit the target right next to the door. What I shouldn't have been doing was playing with my BB gun in my grandma's garage, both because she had told me not to do so and because it was stupid. But I did it, and even though I didn't intend it, the glass was just as broken due to my own negligence.
The problem I have with the suggestion in the OP is that, without direct evidence, it serves as a distraction. I'm not trying to pick on the OP either and normally would even have responded, but this is the third time in two days I've seen this question asked, all three times without any actual evidence to support it.
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Sun May-23-10 07:42 PM
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6. Or just a happy coincidence. |
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Maybe that was their "backup plan".
I had thought of the same thing.
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Sun May-23-10 07:48 PM
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7. Of course not. This just shows how money distorts one's sense of right and wrong |
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This same phenomenon goes on in Washington. Extremely rich people at the top just have a completely different idea of life and what is important. Add to this an addiction to wealth. They are conflicted and distracted.
It is not surprising that they would not get to a direct solution, they first have to work through all the options to try and keep access to the oil. They have only thought of seas as places to make cash for so long it just does not register to prioritize the sea itself.
If the sea was a priority they never would have ended up in this place to begin with.
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Sun May-23-10 07:54 PM
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10. Like leaving New Orleans stranded after Katrina so the poor were driven out & the developers could |
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make bank? Who would do something like that?
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Sun May-23-10 08:10 PM
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18. The Rich don't live where or how the Poor live |
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BP is an oil company and, like any other multinational corporation, accustomed to sending others to do their dirty work on stained soil while they enjoy manicured lawns. They use contractors to shortcut the environmental and safety laws for them. They purchase the whorish political class, so they get the outcomes they want.
Look at what they've done in Ecuador and Nigeria. The United States is now beaten down enough after thirty years of trickle-down economics that BP thinks it can do the same here: "Give us polluted land and water; give us barely livable wages; steal our representative government from us; just leave us with enough to feed the kids, and we'll reward you with the distracted apathy that makes you the ruling class and us the peasants."
Watch this unfold. If the immoral behavior of BP and the incompetent behavior of the federal agencies responsible for preventing and responding to this kind of event go unpunished, then the door is open to any abuse of human health and the environment by the corporate and political classes. Like the indigenous people of Nigeria and Ecuador, the Many will be left with a polluted environment that poisons our children while the Few will take refuge and retire in corners of the Earth that they've preserved for themselves.
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Sun May-23-10 08:14 PM
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19. Yep. And yet their defenders never give up. Like lambs to their own slaughter. nt |
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Sun May-23-10 08:46 PM
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29. That's what troubles me the most |
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Those who willingly follow the American Dream long after it's proven itself a myth.
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Sun May-23-10 08:49 PM
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30. I don't know what it will take before the blinders come off |
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I'm not sure it isn't too late, anyway. By the time enough see it, we're already screwed.
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Sun May-23-10 09:50 PM
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37. This should be it's own OP. |
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I've been wondering how this disaster tied into class and you have hit the nail on the head. Excellent post! Thanks.
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Sun May-23-10 10:14 PM
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39. Almost all of Goldstein 1984 posts should be OP's. nt |
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Sun May-23-10 08:03 PM
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15. I don't know - has this made you more permissive about Oil drilling? |
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Edited on Sun May-23-10 08:04 PM by stray cat
It seems to me each day more gets ruined the less people are saying drill baby drill and the more skeptical they are about BP
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Sun May-23-10 08:16 PM
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22. It won't matter what we want. Once the Gulf is unfit for habitation, what's to stop them? nt |
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Sun May-23-10 08:21 PM
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23. Everyone pissed off at BP for destroying the gulf |
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Sun May-23-10 08:27 PM
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25. Everyone's pissed off at the banks and Wall Street for tanking our economy, too |
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but they still have our money and a license to keep on as well as excellent access to our lawmakers.
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Sun May-23-10 09:36 PM
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34. While enjoying unprecedented, record-making profits/bonuses, etc. |
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The system is rigged and FUBAR.
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Sun May-23-10 08:08 PM
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The best way to stop people from complaining is to not damage the environment.
BP's disaster is just giving people more reason to complain about offshore drilling.
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Sun May-23-10 08:15 PM
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20. They better hope so, because it's been a PR and eventually a financial death blow to them. |
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Edited on Sun May-23-10 08:16 PM by tranche
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Sun May-23-10 08:24 PM
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24. Are you joking? First of all, yes it's bad PR, but they know all they have to do is |
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ride it out for a while and sooner or later everyone will forget and there'll be no accountability. As far as a "financial death blow"...that's laughable. They'll probably figure out a way to get a multi-hundred-billion taxpayer dollar government bailout out of this.
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Sun May-23-10 08:42 PM
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27. You're right. It's a conspiracy to turn the gulf into a dead zone. |
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Sun May-23-10 09:22 PM
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31. Yup, just like Exxon. Everything always works out as it should. The good guys always win |
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Wrong doers are punished and all good dogs go to Heaven.
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Sun May-23-10 08:16 PM
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21. That's been a bothersome thought most of the way for me. |
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"Nothing else can really live here so why not drill, baby, drill" could be the thought of those driven by the return on their product.
"Accidents happen" some very sympathetic to the industry remind us over and over.
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Sun May-23-10 09:38 PM
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35. How would that help them? Their leases would be pulled and all their COMPETITORS would get the oil |
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For your post to be reasonable, one would have to assume that BP is willing to commit corporate suicide to help out all the other oil companies.
Nonsense.
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Sun May-23-10 10:12 PM
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38. Their leases would be pulled? |
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
By the Goldman Sachs administration?
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Sun May-23-10 10:18 PM
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40. The consortium would distribute the rewards |
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Remember corporations are a legal construct not actual persons. The people with the most to gain might find attractive golden parachutes and/or great new gigs.
The taxpayer, workers, and stockholders take the hit and the crooks keep rolling.
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Sun May-23-10 10:22 PM
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41. Yes, it's in their business interest to put themselves out of business |
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Perhaps they are suicidal, who knows? :shrug:
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Sun May-23-10 11:32 PM
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42. Maybe they know nothing will happen to them. Wall Street & Banksters brought the world to its knees |
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They seem to have done just fine.
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Sun May-23-10 11:44 PM
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43. Goldman DLC bankster corporatist Wall Street fools! |
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Ain't no justice in the wild wild west.
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