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Sun May-23-10 09:35 PM
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I know how John Edwards can redeem himself... |
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Have him lead the successful litigation effort on suing BP for an unprecedented award for all that have suffered from their incompetence and deceit.
What do you think?
While it would take something that big …I’d forgive him …
You ?
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Sun May-23-10 09:37 PM
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1. He could, but would he? n/t |
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Sun May-23-10 09:38 PM
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3. I think he'd do anything he could |
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to try to salvage his reputation...
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Sun May-23-10 09:45 PM
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14. And who the fuck would want/trust him to?? |
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Sun May-23-10 11:36 PM
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38. he has a solid history of going after corporations and WINNING |
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It ain't a matter of trust toots. He's got the background required to get it DONE.
Unlike others ....
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Mon May-24-10 07:46 AM
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50. he hasn't litigated in a couple of decades. He doesn't have the tools or |
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resources. It will take a major law firm with deep pockets that can field a large and experienced team to take on BP.
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Mon May-24-10 10:03 AM
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And possibly the incentive ( redemption ) to make it count....
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Mon May-24-10 12:06 PM
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Mon May-24-10 12:01 AM
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39. If he has to be distracted from a case by people who |
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feel like you, I don't think it would help him.
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Sun May-23-10 09:37 PM
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2. What exactly did he do to you to have to obtain your forgiveness? |
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Sun May-23-10 09:41 PM
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7. (In other words -- I Don't Ask For Forgiveness -- With YOU!) |
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Mon May-24-10 12:51 AM
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Sun May-23-10 09:41 PM
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8. As a dem ... he risked getting the nomination, |
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getting caught, and then giving us McCain/Palin (in case you missed that....)
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Sun May-23-10 09:43 PM
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11. If he had gotten the nomination we could have very easily kept that quite, she would have |
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been nothing to worry about.
No risk
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Sun May-23-10 09:47 PM
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Yeah ...right...
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Sun May-23-10 09:50 PM
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20. Yes, right. Do you honestly think she would have been allowed to talk? |
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And yes if it came to it, I'm sure if needed there would have been an accident to prevent her from talking. I hate to break this to you, but in the real world a pregnant mistress of a major party nominee is not going to live to talk.
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Sun May-23-10 09:54 PM
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23. talk ....TALK ? Hell she made a freaking sex tape!!!! |
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I agree that some folks do "disappear"...don't think this would have in time, based on the facts that are already out there.
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Sun May-23-10 10:23 PM
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29. "I'm sure if needed there would have been an accident to prevent her from talking." |
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Sun May-23-10 10:34 PM
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32. You are suggesting murder? |
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I think Edwards a pathological lawyer and a man with no moral center, but I really think he would reject murder.
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Mon May-24-10 09:47 AM
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I don't know if that was a Freudian slip or intentional, but I LOLed. :)
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Mon May-24-10 09:54 AM
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56. It was a Freudian slip - and I apologize to all honest lawyers, including a sister and niece |
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Mon May-24-10 11:49 AM
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64. I have no ill-will toward lawyers, just thought it was a funny slip. |
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I know a few lawyers myself, one of whom I'm sure would laugh if I ever called him a "pathological lawyer". :)
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Mon May-24-10 12:51 PM
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68. "and I apologize to all honest lawyers" |
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Tue May-25-10 11:55 AM
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74. "Pathological lawyer." |
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Sun May-23-10 11:07 PM
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37. What kind of drugs are you on anyway? |
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Sun May-23-10 10:32 PM
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31. In 2007, the papers knew her name and knew Edwards removed the video |
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She was pregnant. Do you really think that that many people could keep silent?
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Sun May-23-10 10:35 PM
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33. It's not too hard to discredit people enough for them to be dismissed |
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Mon May-24-10 06:56 AM
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The fact is that key Edwards people from 2004 opted not to be involved in the campaign starting in 2006. Many have since said that they were "concerned" with an inappropriate relationship. I would assume that many in the media were reluctant to make it an issue due to Elizabeth's health and their sympathy for the family. This likely was tied in to his not being the likely winner.
Edwards NEVER was given the full intensity spotlight treatment that ALL frontrunners get in either 2004 or 2008. He never was the front runner. It was not just the affair, there were questions on many things - including the way his poverty foundation appeared to really be a way to develop a platform on the issue.
You forget that by the 2008 election she had a little girl who was the sipping image of "daddy".
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Mon May-24-10 07:01 AM
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44. So, he would have started more unethical acts, and this is fine with you? |
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Mon May-24-10 07:43 PM
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69. Winning is fine with me. I'm not part of DU's little ethics choir. |
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Mon May-24-10 07:45 PM
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70. Because you have none. eom |
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Tue May-25-10 11:50 AM
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72. Sure, it's fine with you until Edwards kills you as well. |
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You know, so you don't divulge his little secret. :rofl:
I'd avoid flying in any small aircraft if I were you. :tinfoilhat:
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Mon May-24-10 10:16 AM
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62. Let's see. He was a complete dickhead in seeking the Dem nomination for FUCKING PRESIDENT! |
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Look, you may still buy into this guy's bullshit, but he shit on everyone who was stupid enough to support him.
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Sun May-23-10 09:40 PM
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4. I wasn't the one he cheated on |
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My forgiveness matters none. :evilgrin:
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Sun May-23-10 09:48 PM
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17. But his redemption could serve the greater good....n/t |
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Sun May-23-10 09:40 PM
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5. For heaven's sake, give up on that huge-house-owning, |
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hedge-fund-joining, $400-haircut-having lying adulterer who fooled around on a dying wife and who sweet-talked Rielle with visions of a Dave Matthews wedding once cancer finally finished off Elizabeth.
Cut your losses, man - cut your losses!
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Sun May-23-10 09:41 PM
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6. So if Edwards wins a huge award from BP, |
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(and gets to keep a third of it) this will redeem him?
I might be inclined to agree if this was a tough case and only Edwards could win it, but I'll bet lawyers are lining up right now to take a whack at BP and I don't think it's going to take Perry Mason to win this case.
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Sun May-23-10 09:45 PM
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13. He'd have to give up the whole award ... you know .... |
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Do something completely selfless for the greater good. ( that OTHER America...) Edwards to could bring a lot of curiosity press to the whole thing that would be a positive. Just a thought....
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Sun May-23-10 09:50 PM
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19. While that would make me think better of him |
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I'm not sure there's anything he would do that would entice me to vote for him again.
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Sun May-23-10 09:51 PM
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21. Agree completely on that....n/t |
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Mon May-24-10 09:34 AM
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53. There are all sorts of ways to serve one's country. |
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If he chooses to get on board, it's gonna have to be in a capacity that doesn't require our trust up front.
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Sun May-23-10 10:18 PM
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27. the billboards are already up |
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trying to think if i've seen any yet in new orleans but in mississippi the billboards up and the lawyers are definitely already lining up, they've gotten some big awards in the past in that state and from talking to affected individuals (seafood industry) BP is already trying to give them $ to keep them from litigating
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Sun May-23-10 10:23 PM
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28. This would be a great time to institute limits on the lawyers take |
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of any monetary awards with escalating cost of the devastation. No need for more lawyers to get filthy rich - only well paid for a job well done. IMHO....
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Sun May-23-10 09:41 PM
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9. Nope... doesn't wash away his faithlessness in his wife's hour(s) of need. |
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Sorry - I don't forgive cheaters.
(FWIW, my biggest beef with Hillary Clinton was her failure to divorce her cheating, lying husband, but I acknowledge that they may have an "arrangement." However, it doesn't seem the Edwards' had such a thing.)
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Sun May-23-10 09:48 PM
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16. FWIW, who would give up the perks |
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of being First Lady?! Screw that. Much as I just plain can't stand her, Hillary had more to lose by divorcing him.
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Sun May-23-10 09:42 PM
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10. John Edwards needs to pull a Gary Hart and disappear for a long while....... |
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Sun May-23-10 09:49 PM
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18. Unless he has something useful to offer .... |
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Sun May-23-10 10:16 PM
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26. Indeed.. he needs to be as PRIVATE as possible |
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and tend to his family..(including the new baby he created).
and he needs to do it without fanfare and public notice.
15 -20 years from now, he may have something worthwhile to contribute, but until ALL his kids are grown, the less we see him or hear about him, the better. He owes his kids that much.
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Mon May-24-10 02:15 AM
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42. Gary Hart wasn't half as bad as JE |
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Edited on Mon May-24-10 02:16 AM by RFKHumphreyObama
And, unlike JE, he was genuine and sincere in his wish to make America a better place
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Sun May-23-10 09:44 PM
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12. a can of worms no one needs |
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Let Edwards enjoy his love nest and stay out of sight for several years...That would be doing everyone a favor...
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Sun May-23-10 09:53 PM
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22. The only way for him to redeem himself... |
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.... is to cut every strand of hair from that gigantic, fat head of his and use it to clog the oil pipe in the Gulf.
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Sun May-23-10 09:57 PM
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25. Oh now thats a good one ! |
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Sun May-23-10 10:30 PM
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30. Wrong person to lead the effort |
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Edwards was an extremely successful lawyer because he could make people trust him. Do you seriously think he could find a jury that would trust him -- even if he were telling the truth?
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Sun May-23-10 10:36 PM
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34. Well....good point ...still believe in redemption |
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He was so good as a trial lawyer...There has to be a way for him to use his talents for the greater good ...IMHO
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Sun May-23-10 10:38 PM
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35. You should not rely on trust to make a decision. |
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Each comment has to hold its own credibility.
Many people do much right, then you follow them, and if you do not think and feel about what they say, then you can go the wrong direction.
Each comment should be looked on and thought on, since people can be correct or wrong.
If someone says something that makes sense, and contains its own credibility, after you think and feel on it, then you don't follow the person, but the concept and thoughts you agree with.
Following a person can lead you to also follow them when they are not at their best.
So follow ideas, and support people you think and feel believe in the same ideas. But if they have ideas you do not agree with after thinking and feeling on them, then don't support those ideas.
It is about thinking and feeling, not following a person.
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Mon May-24-10 10:04 AM
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60. I agree, I would always examine an idea or statement and |
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determine if I would agree - no matter who says something. However, I know I give more credibility to people I believe are trustworthy. For example, if John Kerry sites a study on some aspect of global warming, I would be likely to believe it because he is very well informed on this and from past experience, he is very honest. (This does not mean that I would not read other sources and if there were contradictions end up thinking the report is not universally accepted.)
Here, you have a court room setting. The jurors are banned from searching the internet to get their own information. They make judgments on the basis of what both sides say. My point is that in his past, Edwards was able to convey honesty, sincerity and people trusted him. But, after he lied straight faced with wide big blue eyes, many would likely not trust that he is honest on anything. They know he can and will manipulate the facts - and look honest, even when he is not.
As he is likely known to a huge percent of the country, he might have a hard time getting a jury that is unbiased about him - I seriously don't see how any client would want that.
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Sun May-23-10 10:40 PM
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36. Use his hair to plug the leak |
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Mon May-24-10 12:10 AM
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40. bwahahahahaha - that was a perfect response! |
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Mon May-24-10 07:09 AM
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46. I know what would really plug the leak. |
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Use all the BP executives. Stuff their asses in the leaks. Here is my reasoning: BP executives have such big heads and their heads are up their asses. Their asses would make perfect stoppers, because their heads are not going to come out of their asses any time soon.
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Mon May-24-10 07:03 AM
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45. No. We need the trial to be about BP, not about John Edwards, which would be the case. |
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In addition, as far as I am concerned, he can stay home and try to apologize to his three young kids to have made such a mess (I assume that the older one can live her life even with him as a dad.
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Mon May-24-10 07:10 AM
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47. I think as a Democratic voter |
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I'm not longer interested in having him as a candidate, no matter what he does to redeem his public image.
However, if he wants to take steps to do something wonderful for Americans, whether it's fighting for social justice or fighting BP and their environmental pollution, I think it would be good for him, as a human being, to do what he can. I think I'd have more respect for him if he did it to do the right thing rather than to redeem his public image. Though, because of his past actions, I don't know how I'd ever be able to truly trust his motives. (Which is why he'd have to do it for the greater good rather than worrying about his public image.)
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Mon May-24-10 09:27 AM
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Mon May-24-10 07:21 AM
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considered John Edwards to be a decent man who made a bad mistake. A sexual indiscretion should not over shadow the total worth and life of an individual.
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Mon May-24-10 07:50 AM
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51. I've always considered him to be a sleaze bag of monumental proportions |
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and a staggering phony. His "sexual indiscretion" was only part of it.
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Mon May-24-10 10:11 AM
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61. Sex is a powerful factor |
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in our lives and it can impact the judgment of even the most influential of those among st us. Don't cast stones!
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Mon May-24-10 10:50 AM
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63. I'll cast all the stones I feel like casting |
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I knew that mr hedge fund was a piece of dog shit well before his affair with Hunter.
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it's been close to 20 years since he's litigated anything. He doesn't have the firm resources and even his own sizable fortune isn't enough to go up against BP. Fantasy.
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Mon May-24-10 09:37 AM
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54. I really don't care what he does... |
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as long as he leaves out the Democratic Party and expecting people to elect him to any public office again.
He's used up the empathy card, IMO.
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Mon May-24-10 09:56 AM
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57. He can't lead if no one will follow. |
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I would bet no one would follow.
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Mon May-24-10 10:02 AM
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58. If he still cares about getting the public's forgiveness, he deserves none. He should |
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be worried about his children and Elizabeth. He will never be in a position of power again. He has ruined himself for Rielle. I hope he is happy with his choice.
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Mon May-24-10 08:17 PM
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71. That may be hard for him to do from jail. |
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Tue May-25-10 11:52 AM
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73. Why forgive him or care if he redeems himself... |
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when he can so easily be replaced with someone of character and integrity?
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