POLL: ALL Deep-water Drilling Should be Halted Immediately, since we have NO CLUE on how to deal

[ShamelessHussy]

with a disaster when it happens?

There are over 3 thousand wells in operation in the Gulf alone today. Shouldn't EVERY one be shut down IMMEDIATELY until someone from the industry PROVES they have the expertise to effectively deal with a disaster.

Wouldn't that light a fire under the so called 'experts' in the industry, and motivate them to move more rapidly in this current ongoing historical disaster?!

the first EXECUTIVE Order tomorrow should be...

Exon, Shell, and all the rest... CEASE and DESIST all ongoing, deep sea drilling operations, ASAP. Your presence is REQUIRED in the Gulf IMMEDIATELY!

Simple yes or no in the subject line is fine.

Thank you DU :hug:

On Edit: Please K&R if you agree, to make it simple to count, and to spite the unrec trolls who are all over me on this topic ;)

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. YES!

[JaneFordA]

71. YES!

and again... YES!

[katandmoon]

2. Yes

[babylonsister]

3. YES from me, too. No one has a clue how to fix this. YES! nt

[jeanpalmer]

4. Yes

Definitely no more offshore drilling until they can prove that it won't happen again.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

5. Yes

Emphatic YES!!!!

[HCE SuiGeneris]

6. Yes.

Provided the resultant stoppage doesn't increase risks that may compromise the safety of the well. (increased pressure buildup causing another leak)

[RandomThoughts]

7. Many good men and women working to stop the corruption.

Interesting thought to plug the corruption is by exposing it.

Maybe fixing the world problems in many sectors would be a good start.


Exposing the good stuff is great also.

Allentown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHnJp0oyOxs


Have a little courage, I believe it will get better, after all, we are only Human.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhxjNYvJbgM


Innocent Man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exSD7rHVI4U

[G_j]

8. absolutely

[laughingliberal]

9. knr. nt

[Sebastian Doyle]

10. Yes.

Offshore drilling was a bad idea from the beginning. To continue it after this is completely indefensible.

[readmoreoften]

11. Yes.

[Jokinomx]

12. yes

[raouldukelives]

13. K&R

[RainDog]

14. yes

[Iwillnevergiveup]

15. YES! Offshore oil drilling should cease immediately

and entirely and permanently.

K&R

:kick:

[The Wielding Truth]

111. Since there are almost 4000 platforms in the Gulf, I say for now that no new

oil wells be dug.It would be a massive undertaking and huge lose of oil to do this so abruptly. I would suggest that they should be plugged by say 100 every six months,maybe by which ones determined by respected experts to be the least safe.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6848894

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8385057

[Kablooie]

16. Of course. But what we think will have no effect at all on drilling for oil.

Though in the coming years, when the oil continues to make America's coastlines an massive toxic zone, something will be forced to change.

[ShamelessHussy]

17. Wrong Answer - What the people think can change EVERYTHING, and ALWAYS has - FYI

[Kablooie]

24. When things arise to a certain level the whole thing tips over, THEN it will make a difference.

And this may get to that level but it's not there yet.

[The Hope Mobile]

48. Agreed! nt

[amborin]

18. YES

[chill_wind]

19. Yes. That would do it.

[aquart]

20. Yes.

[Bluebear]

21. Absoutely.

[pnwmom]

22. Yes. I agree. K& R. n/t

[intheflow]

23. Yes, absolutely! n/t

[tango-tee]

25. YES!

[bowens43]

26. ALL off shore drilling should shut down.

not just deep water...all off shore drilling should be stopped immediately.

[ShamelessHussy]

30. good point

since they would have to mount an effective containment and clean up effort no matter how deep the water is, and it looks like no one in the industry knows how to do that right now.

[Scuba]

27. Yes

[ladjf]

28. yes

[byrok]

29. Yes K&R

[Jamastiene]

31. Yes

K&R

[ljm2002]

32. Yes!!!

A thousand times!!!

K&R

[tekisui]

33. K and fucking R!

[Upton]

34. YES!!

[cilla4progress]

35. Yes, of course.

[WeDidIt]

36. No

[donco6]

81. Gosh, how did I guess?

I'm that good.

[WillyT]

97. LOL !!!

:rofl:

I'm sure he's used to it...

:evilgrin:

:hi:

[donco6]

99. He's probably completely surprised.

Some people are THAT clueless.

[Overseas]

37. K&R ! //nt

[glinda]

38. yes

[Lerkfish]

39. YES

[barbtries]

40. i do agree

clearly it's not worth it to continue.

[blindpig]

41. Natioalize the energy sector.

k&r

Expropriate without compensation.

[Dappleganger]

42. YES!!!!!

[ensho]

43. yes, stop it now!

nt

[Karenina]

44. Does this logic also apply to nuclear power?

YES. :hide:

[FailureToCommunicate]

45. Yes. The risks, and the current degraded Gulf, are not worth the measly 2% that comes

from offshore drilling!

[freddie mertz]

46. Yes, I agree with that.

[SemperEadem]

47. Yes. There is no other logical answer but yes.

[icee]

49. Yes

[swilton]

50. ABSOLUTELY!

[Better Believe It]

51. YES

[flor-de-jasmim]

52. YES, absolutely!

[NoSheep]

53. yes

[Bryn]

54. YES!

[donco6]

55. Yes n/t

[Laurab]

56. Yes.

[pauldp]

57. Yes.

[proReality]

58. Yes!

[defendandprotect]

59. K&R: Yes. . . and no one should say "no" to this until we know full consequences of

this spill and total impact on Nature --

Capitalism is based on exploitation of nature -- we need to move on.

If you want democracy, you need to employ economic democracy --

capitalism isn't it!

[RoccoR5955]

60. ABSOFRIGGINLUTELY!!!!! n/t

[DireStrike]

61. yes

[tosh]

62. Yes. K&R.

[JDPriestly]

63. This is a good idea.

But it will never happen.

[LoZoccolo]

64. Only if you can prove that the damages from cutting off the oil supply will be less. n/t

[ShamelessHussy]

67. what percent of the gulf oil goes to america?

[LoZoccolo]

68. We only care about America? n/t

[ShamelessHussy]

70. This is a GLOBAL disaster with huge consequences for everyone. I don't think we should risk another

until we know how to deal with them at the very least.

[LoZoccolo]

103. There is no risk involved in cutting oil production? n/t

[ShamelessHussy]

108. well if that is the case, then it is definitely time to stop all drilling

and they are still required to send an armada and army to the gulf for clean up and containment.

[LoZoccolo]

114. I was asking a question - do you think there is no risk involved in reducing the oil supply...

...by however much is being brought in from offshore? Do you honestly believe that?

[ShamelessHussy]

117. well, if they are drilling, it is not part of the supply

[LoZoccolo]

148. You said that we should shut down all the wells, not just stop drilling.

There are over 3 thousand wells in operation in the Gulf alone today. Shouldn't EVERY one be shut down IMMEDIATELY until someone from the industry PROVES they have the expertise to effectively deal with a disaster.

[Raster]

152. Tell you what, LoZo, I'll ask you the same question when Florida is one giant oil slick...

...and this putrid petroleum mess finds it's way into the Gulf Steam and up the East Coast.

If the technology is NOT available to prevent and/or clean up disasters of this magnitude, than I certainly would want to examine every offshore well and their permits.

It's kind of like the premise that a country that doesn't take care of their wounded veterans, has no business making any more.

And it is a valid question where is the Gulf oil going? Is it coming into the United States? When the US government licenses and issues permits for drilling offshore of the United States, the citizens of this country should be compensated. Not a foreign oil company.

[ShamelessHussy]

153. they should stop all drilling, and ensure all wells have at least one relief well before pumping

and all existing wells should also be forced to install relief wells as well.

AND the whole industry should be required to respond to the containment and cleanup.

how's that.

[Control-Z]

65. Absolutely!

K&R

[Hun Joro]

66. Yes.

[City Lights]

69. YES! nt

[MissDeeds]

72. Yes!!!!

K&R :kick:

[1Hippiechick]

73. yes, yes, a thousand times YES!!!! n/t

[lark]

74. Hell YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

K&R

[noamnety]

75. yes. (nt)

[Eyerish]

76. Yes

[avaistheone1]

77. YES

[Kermitt Gribble]

78. YES! n/t

[daleanime]

79. Oh, hell yea...

:bounce:

[racaulk]

80. Yes ma'am!!!

K&R

[onpatrol98]

82. Yes

[mod mom]

83. common sense! rec'd

[mod mom]

84. common sense! rec'd

[Spheric]

85. Yes for sanity. K&R /nt

[Urban Prairie]

86. Ye$ $hut them down NOW!!!

:mad:

[MoonRiver]

87. ABSOLUTELY!

Why the hell would this thread be unrec'd. Nevermind.

[green917]

88. Emphatically YES!!!!!

I don't understand that we have laws on the books to "protect" citizens because "we don't know" what the long term effects of certain activities (i.e. smoking marijuana) will be but we don't have a similar law on the books to protect the oil companies (& us) from the fact that
we don't know what the long-term effects of deep water drilling of the depths that Deep water Horizon was drilling at (although we're starting to learn the hard way) will be.

ALL deep water drilling should be immediately halted until this issue in the Gulf is resolved and cleaned up (at the expense of BP). At that point, a major study should be undertaken and legislation written that requires non-industry testing of all safety procedures on rigs of this type. No more taking their word for things being "safe"! If it's deemed to not be safe, it doesn't get approved!

The truly egregious part of all of this is that as much as 90% of the oil that comes out of Gulf coast rigs, doesn't come to the American market...it goes to Asia or Europe. The U.S. "war" effort in Iraq currently requires thousands of gallons of gasoline a week. If we were to end the illegal occupation of Iraq and our misguided operations in Afghanistan, it would cut our consumption considerably (it would be a start anyways). I'm of course day dreaming as none of these seemingly simple solutions will happen because our government is nothing but a collection of whores for big oil and other big business!

[hulka38]

89. Yes

[Kumbricia]

90. Yeah

[Lugnut]

91. Absolutely! n/t

[1monster]

92. Yes. Emphatically!

[theFrankFactor]

93. Yes and Nationalize the Energy Sector

[Pooka Fey]

94. K&R

[Chulanowa]

95. Makes absolute sense to me

Unfortunately, BP's already shown that it will happily ignore direct orders from the US government.

If they were North Korea, we'd bomb them for that shit.

[WillyT]

96. Yes !!! - K & R !!!

:yourock:

:kick:

:hi:

[Liberalynn]

98. YES

[stlsaxman]

100. Yes.

[Myrina]

101. Hell fucking YES.

n/t

[Name removed]

102. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[ShamelessHussy]

107. the gulf is dying, and will put even more out of work

[slackmaster]

115. Hyperbole. There is no evidence that the gulf is "dying"

:argh:

It's a big mess, but an oil mess that size in the Gulf of Mexico is not unprecedented.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ixtoc_I

[ShamelessHussy]

120. oxygen had already dropped 30 percent near some of the plumes in the month

Giant Plumes of Oil Forming Under the Gulf
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/us/16oil.html


BTW: there were already massive dead zones in the gulf before this catastrophe, so this is just gonna make it even worse.

so this isn't 'hyperbole' and there is 'evidence'.

i think your rage is misdirected at the messenger instead of the real perps, the cozy relationship between big oil and gov.

[slackmaster]

157. Of course there is damage. People have been damaging the Gulf's ecosystems for centuries.

Compared to the cumulative damage from all the fertilizers and pesticides that have been dumped down the Mississippi and other rivers, and all the other oil spills that have happened, and the effects of sewage spills and urban street runoff, and oil leaking from ships and boats, and all the plastic trash that ends up in the water, I think the impact of this spill, while spectacular and acute right now, is going to be just another in a long series of insults.

[ShamelessHussy]

161. of course you do, but excuse me if I prefer to take action

good night

[rhett o rick]

137. So you love yourself some BP. There is no evidence that the gulf isnt dying either

How dare you suggest that this isnt a disaster. Maybe the complete gulf isnt dying, but you get the fucking message. Or do you? This is a disaster that could have been prevented but wasnt because of greed. Fucking corporate greed. Now the taxpayers will have to pay.

[slackmaster]

154. I have never suggested that it isn't a disaster

This kind of discussion is pointless without a concise definition of terms like "dying".

Of course it's a mess. Of course there will be long-term damage.

People need their jobs. Stopping a huge number of productive oil wells would add to an already bad unemployment problem. Stop the wells, and you have to shut down refineries. More people out of work. More expensive fuel and other products, leading to higher prices for everything including food.

The idea is completely unrealistic. It's sad and silly at the same time.

[rhett o rick]

166. I disagree. Until the oil companies can assure us that their methods are in fact safe,

they should be immediately shut down. The resulting unemployment is a tiny drop in the bucket to the huge cost of another spill disaster.

I find it an interesting argument when it looks like it might be necessary to punish a corporation, people defend the corporation by arguing that it would effect the workers. That is essentially blackmail.

And there is more oil available in capped wells in the US than all the reserves off-shore. Tell the oil companies to open some of those wells. What are they saving it for? But you know that gas prices are totally unrelated to the price of crude. Oil prices are totally determined by the oil companies. With profit margins like Exxon has, they have unlimited flexibility with adjusting the price of oil. There is no competition at the pump.

[Jakes Progress]

104. Yep. This will happen again no mater what they do.

We lack the science and technology to do this kind of thing safely -- let alone the will to do so.

[Warren Stupidity]

105. YES

[Plucketeer]

106. Without a doubt!

[sandyd921]

109. K & R! Absolutely! n/t

[Chisox08]

110. Yes

[democrat2000]

112. Yesss

x1000

[demigoddess]

113. they should be ashamed of themselves!!!!

[Canuckistanian]

116. HELL yes

As someone else posted, ALL licences for offshore rigs should be pulled until there's a CONCRETE method of dealing with undersea gushers.

WITH several proven alternatives that DON'T involve nuclear devices.

[mynameiswhat]

118. No?

what if it causes gas prices to go up? I don't wanna pay $4 a gallon again.

[ShamelessHussy]

121. sure, some will sacrifice everything for cheap gas

[mynameiswhat]

122. I'm not saying sacrifice everything

I'm just saying that, ya there was a HUGE accident that took place and it is fucking the gulf coast up. but just because accidents happen we should stop everything because of it? Its not like this kinda shit happens every day or every year.

[ShamelessHussy]

126. just the gulf, i understand

:eyes:

[neverforget]

131. But it's just a flesh wound!

[ShamelessHussy]

132. yes, always look on the bright side of life

love those guys :hi:

[Devil_Fish]

158. Thats right, it's a shame that this spill could posibly inconvienence your Hummer at the pump.

Can't have that now can we. How short sighted can you be? Just because this didn't hapen in your back yard...

:wtf: :argh:

[LoZoccolo]

167. I voted "no" and I have not owned a car in over ten years. n/t

[ShamelessHussy]

168. looks like you are in the minority... most folks want the drilling to stop until safe guards are in

i would stipulate the we also need a much better response plan in place, too.

[Canuckistanian]

123. They can't keep threatening us with high prices forever

Sooner or later their own profit margins, huge tax breaks and political influence are going to come into question. Then it's time to give their organizations an ACORN-like probe.

We'll see how long their stranglehold over energy production and price fixing REALLY lasts.

[mynameiswhat]

125. how high is too much for you?

would you pay $8 a gallon to stop it all?

[Canuckistanian]

128. I already pay $4 a gallon

But I refuse to give in to corporate interests threatening higher prices when we KNOW that they could maintain LOWER prices IF they gave up their executive salaries and wasteful ways.

Not to mention that their industry is already SUBSIDIZED by your and our governments to the tune of BILLIONS every year.

Sure, let them raise prices. Pretty soon, people will start asking, "Hey, why is gas THIS much money all of a sudden?

That would be their WORST nightmare.

[mynameiswhat]

129. Yes they pay their execs too much money.

And they love their money. I'm not willing to shut them down and pay a higher gas price. If there were oil disasters happening every year then that would be one thing. But it doesn't happen that often. BP should pay out the ass for this but they should be able to stay in business if they can continue to make a profit.

[Kalun D]

119. YES

YES

Kick and Rec

[Digit]

124. Yes!

[Paper Roses]

127. Yes!

[Maat]

130. I agree.

What you said.

[Deuce]

133. YES!

[edgineered]

134. yes

[madmax]

135. yes

[nashville_brook]

136. yes

[jimlup]

138. YES

And that is not a trivial knee jerk reaction

[rhett o rick]

139. rec and yes

[NC_Nurse]

140. YES!!!!

[Bluzmann57]

141. Yes

Hell yes.

[orbitalman]

142. ABSOLUTELY. nt

[Old Codger]

143. absolutely YES

[NodQuestion]

144. Meh

not really an extremist myself, but I like where your heads at.

[me b zola]

145. K&R

To allow any deep-sea operations to continue is beyond irresponsible.

[eyeofdelphi]

146. Yes!!!

:kick:

[relayerbob]

147. Yes!

[VenusRising]

149. 1000x YES!!

[Raster]

150. YES!

:kick:

[Devil_Fish]

151. Yes! K&R N/T

[TheKentuckian]

155. YES Full ban. They've proved they cannot contain or stop a blowout

I don't understand the debate. Game over.

[Fearless]

156. If I had spilt mercury into my neighbor's backyard...

would I not be held accountable? They should be too. Each and every one of them.

[varelse]

159. Yes (nt)

[donheld]

160. Yes, right now

[Boudica the Lyoness]

162. Yes

Yes yes yes yes yes yes

[lonestarnot]

163. Yes. And shut of the drilling until every damn one is determined to be safe, but then who's going to

make that determination?

[Tumbulu]

164. Yes!

[Tumbulu]

165. Yes!