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charlesg Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 07:55 AM
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The Selling of the Female Orgasm
http://www.newsweek.com/id/238360

Newsweek | May 23, 2010
The Selling of the Female Orgasm
A provocative new documentary targets Big Pharma's quest for a female Viagra
By Barbara Kantrowitz and Pat Wingert

You can't help but feel the anguish of Charletta, a charming 60-something Southerner who appears prominently in Liz Canner's new documentary, Orgasm Inc. Charletta is so distraught about her inability to achieve orgasm simultaneously with her husband during intercourse that she agrees to be a test subject for a bizarre invention called an "orgasmatron." But inserting this questionable device in her spine stimulates only her left leg, which shakes uncontrollably when she flips a switch. After the orgasmatron is removed, Charletta shares with Canner her distress at being such a freak. "Not only am I not normal, I'm diseased," she says. But under questioning by Canner, Charletta discloses that she can, in fact, achieve orgasm in other ways. When Canner tells her that makes her "normal," since 70 percent of women don't reach orgasm during coitus, Charletta is stunned. By the end of the film, she seems like a new woman. With a big smile on her face, she tells Canner, "I accept myself the way I am." If more women could make such a statement, Canner wouldn't have spent much of the last decade making Orgasm Inc. But the film, which has its New York premiere May 27 at the Film Society of Lincoln Center, is a desperately needed antidote to all the hype generated by pharmaceutical companies pursuing their holy grail: a female Viagra. Canner hit on the topic after years of doing documentaries on subjects like human-rights abuses, police brutality, and poverty. Looking for something more upbeat, she was researching female sexuality when she got a call from the pharmaceutical company Vivus, which wanted her to create erotic videos to use in their clinical study of an "orgasm cream" for women.

Vivus had had an initial success with a product for men called Muse, a pellet inserted into the urinary opening with a plastic applicator. The product launched more than a year before Viagra. When the much easier-to-use Viagra pill quickly overcame Muse as the market leader, Vivus started looked at ways to make a product for women's sexual problems. Canner was bewildered by the purported disease that the new Vivus product was intended to cure—something called "female sexual dysfunction." "They were telling me that 43 percent of women had this disorder, which I found amazing," Canner says. "How could that be true if I had never heard of it before?" That question set Canner off on a cross-country quest that included visits with scientists, experts in erotica, and individual women who often suffered profoundly because their sex lives didn't live up to the glowing imagery displayed in popular culture. She found that the often-cited 43 percent figure actually refers to a 1994 study of all kinds of sexual problems, including a lack of sexual desire, anxiety about performance, and pain during intercourse. Canner ultimately concluded that the catch-all female sexual dysfunction is essentially a phony disease made up by pharmaceutical companies."A lot of this is about marketing," she says. "They are trying to sell disorders." A spokesman for the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, an industry trade group, said she couldn't discuss Canner's charge since "as a trade association we can't really comment about issues that are specific to individual companies."

Viagra's phenomenal success inspired drug companies like Vivus to search for a product that could solve women's sexual issue with a similar quick fix. That search hasn't been particularly successful. Pfizer, the maker of Viagra, gave up on creating a similar product for women after eight years of research because, the company said, women's sexual problems were too complex to be fixed with a pill that targeted the genitals. Vivus also gave up on its attempt to create an orgasm cream for women. One highly touted product, Intrinsa, a testosterone patch from Procter & Gamble, was rejected by a U.S. Food and Drug Administration advisory panel in 2004 because of safety and efficacy concerns (it became available in Europe three years ago). On June 18, the FDA will hold a hearing on the drug flibanserin, from the German manufacturer Boehringer Ingelheim, which was initially tested as an antidepressant. It didn't lift mood, but it did heighten sexual interest and reduce inhibitions—which led the company to test it on women who were suffering from a lack of sexual desire. The results, presented late last year at the Congress of the European Society for Sexual Medicine in Lyon, France, showed that women in the North American part of the trial who took flibanserin for about six months increased their number of "sexually satisfying events" (including orgasm) to an average of 4.5 from 2.8.

That may sound impressive, but consider this: women in the placebo group increased their average to 3.7. Is the difference between 4.5 and 3.7 significant enough to justify approval and overcome any potential health risk? That's what the FDA will have to decide. There may be cheaper and faster ways to reduce inhibition—like a glass of wine and a more attentive partner. And the European women didn't experience the same benefit as their North American sisters, perhaps because they already are less inhibited. One of the heroines of Canner's film is Leonore Tiefer, a clinical associate professor of psychiatry at the New York University School of Medicine. Tiefer calls herself a "sexologist": she has been studying human sexuality for four decades. She led a campaign against Instrinsa's approval and hopes that Orgasm Inc. will inspire people to "come down to Washington to raise a little hell" during the flibanserin hearing. Tiefer argues that no single drug could possibly cure all of women's sexual problems because there are so many potential causes for a woman's inability to enjoy sex. Male impotence is essentially a mechanical problem that can be cured by a medication that enables erection. But women may turn away from sex for many reasons: physical, emotional, psychological...

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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 07:59 AM
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1. America is terminally preocuppied with its
genitalia and germs.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 08:04 AM
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5. And boobies. n/t
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:06 AM
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9. and bowels.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 08:00 AM
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2. The Republicon Solution
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 08:01 AM
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3. Why does it have to be a simultaneous orgasm?
I don't believe that 70% number, either. I think it's higher than that. That poor woman feels she's inadequate for no good reason. Our physiology just doesn't support having simultaneous orgasms, so why not accept that?
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 10:08 AM
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13. Right, I read that word and said I would love that too.."simultaneous" should be the exception
Edited on Mon May-24-10 10:08 AM by uponit7771
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 08:03 AM
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4. Unless the drug is over 50% effective AND available as an aerosol, it's useless. n/t
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 08:15 AM
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6. The problem isn't with Charletta - it's more than likely with
a husband who doesn't know that the tongue is a better stimulus for females than his "male parts."

I can't believe this woman didn't talk to her female friends about this before traipsing all over the country to find a "cure" for something that isn't wrong.

And, I'm with the poster above. I think the number of women who don't "get off" during "regular" coitus is higher than 70 percent. My, all-be-it anecdotal, experience is that it's about 90 percent.
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luvspeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 08:47 AM
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7. True dat!...
Maybe we are built this way to make men have to slow down and pay attention to what they are doing. I think it would be a pretty horrible world if both men and women had similar sex drives, motivations and stimulations! But that's basically the gist of all this, isn't it? Let's make women just like men and just as easy to satisfy! What about a pill that makes men more responsive to touch and slower to climax (which, btw-is a MUCH bigger problem for men than maintaining erection - it just doesn't bother men as much). It might take us longer, but in the end us girls have the last laugh...can we say multiple orgasms? I say get em any way you can, and don't worry about how the guys get theirs!
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:18 AM
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10. Oft breathed refrain at the Kalyke household: "I love being a girl!"
:rofl: :rofl:
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 08:59 AM
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8. Women always come first
Didn't he get the memo?
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unabelladonna Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:19 AM
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11. this!
women have been "sold" on the ability to have vaginal orgasms. it isn't biologically possible but is promoted for various reasons (most notably the sustainability of the species).
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 10:04 AM
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12. or self interest.... nt
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 12:53 AM
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28. It most definitely IS biologically possible. nt
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 10:09 AM
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14. They're not sayin she can't orgasm at all just not at the same time her husband does
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 11:51 PM
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25. I know - but the point here is, "why does she think she can or has to?"
It's rare except in porn or in chick flicks - both are weird bends in the dementia of male-to-female relationships.

I am no more going to find a knight in shining armor to take me away from depressive chaos as a man is going to find a sexy would-be boss who wants to fuck him on her desk at first sight.
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 10:16 AM
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15. Yep. And the other 10% are probably lying.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 11:06 AM
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20. Many men will not do that.
I'm consistently amazed at the number of my male friends who absolutely refuse to go "down that road" with their wives and girlfriends. They all know what vaginal orgasms are, and expect their female partners to achieve their orgasms that way (in spite of the fact that less than 20% of women can achieve orgasm through purely vaginal stimulation, and even they can often only achieve it on rare occasion). Most women can only achieve orgasm though clitoral stimulation, and it's incredibly hard to achieve that using only a penis. It just doesn't bend that way.

To be fair though, I had a number of girlfriends back in my dating days who were HORRIFIED when I wanted to take that road myself. It actually ended one relationship, because she decided that I was some sort of pervert after I brought it up in bed. I only hope that she eventually learned the error of her ways.
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 11:35 PM
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22. Then I hope those men spend many years masterbating to porn
because a real woman should never entertain "those men" in bed. Seriously.

And, I also feel sorry for your ex-girlfriend. What in Heaven's name led her to believe that was perverted, I wonder?

And, good on men like you and my hubby for making the female in your life all tingly!! :thumbsup:
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 11:35 PM
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23. Dupe!
Edited on Mon May-24-10 11:36 PM by Kalyke
Mention the word "porn" and the 'Bot double posts. :rofl:
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 11:56 PM
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26. And "many men" are idiots.
That road? Go down it, friends.

Some women seem to not enjoy it, and that's okay. However, if they do, go down that road. And travel with conscience taking in feedback, realizing what works for her and what doesn't.

I personally LOVE taking that road. That's probably TMI. Sorry.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 02:27 AM
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32. Yep. Not only will they not "go down that road"
a huge percentage of them simply have no clue about any of it. They watch a little "wham, bam, thank you ma'am " porn and they think that's it. No one has got a pill for selfishness or cluelessness.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 10:17 AM
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16. Prudish, Victorian culture my eye...
Prudish, Victorian culture my eye...
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 10:25 AM
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17. Sigh
The information is out there but for whatever reasons it doesn't seem to wind up in the hands of the people that need it often enough.

"When Canner tells her that makes her "normal," since 70 percent of women don't reach orgasm during coitus, Charletta is stunned."

I figured this out a long time ago and set out to find every way possible to bring a woman to orgasm. It doesn't have to be during intercourse and it certainly doesn't have to be at the same time. It seems expectations are what throws a monkey wrench in the works more often than not.
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 10:26 AM
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18. Really? Women really don't understand that our orgasms are just
not conducive to the type of physical manipulation that straight intercourse creates, and they hate themselves? I'm dumbfounded.

Of course, I figured this out long ago. At first I actually thought it was my partners' faults because I knew I could create an orgasm for myself in less than 3 minutes. Unfortunately for men, this means I'm almost never in the mood to waste time with their careless and generally useless efforts regarding sex.

I just don't understand why women are so quick to internalize every goll dern thing, instead of seeing reality. I've seen this sort of thing with parenting as well. The mother works her butt off, set rules, does discipline, things go fine, then "Daddy" comes home and while Mom is getting dinner on and all those evening chores, the Dad is in the other room ruining all the hard work the Mom had done all day with the children. He's saying things like, "sure we can, just don't tell Mommy." and "What your Mother doesn't know won't hurt her." Stupid stuff like that which is usually geared to "teach" the kids that Mom's an uptight bitch trying to ruin their lives with foolish things like honesty, integrity, and personal responsibility.

Unfortunately women are our own worse enemy, both individually and collectively. I guess it was never so well displayed as it was in "The Color Purple," when the sister-in-law, Whoopi, instructs a husband to beat his wife, Oprah.

This is what we need a pill for. We need a pill that forces our mouths and our minds to quit taking the blame, to stop allowing ourselves to be blamed, and to relish who we are and the glory of what we bring to the world.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 10:53 AM
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19. i think when women focus on their own orgasm, more like men, with all the
Edited on Mon May-24-10 10:55 AM by seabeyond
considerations they have going on in their mind, ..... things become a lot easier.

saying, it seems when men get down to it.... that is their focus. women go off on body image, worries and all kinds of concerns.

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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 11:47 PM
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24. I took that pill. It's called "gumption" and it has a chaser called
"unwilling to stay with a man who acts as Lord."

:hi:

Seriously, I get your point and agree that still happens far too often. My own hubby has called me "uptight" on several occasions, to get completely shot down with a better put down. He doesn't do that anymore. But he has learned that a relationship is a constant work in progress - my put down wasn't meant to belittle, but open lines of communications, which, yes, sometimes leads to arguments. It happens. It's when you're not communicating with your partner that the trouble begins.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 12:51 AM
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27. You just rocked my world.
:applause:
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 01:39 AM
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29. Yeah, because mothers are always the responsible ones.
:eyes:

"The mother works her butt off, set rules, does discipline, things go fine, then "Daddy" comes home and while Mom is getting dinner on and all those evening chores, the Dad is in the other room ruining all the hard work the Mom had done all day with the children. He's saying things like, "sure we can, just don't tell Mommy." and "What your Mother doesn't know won't hurt her." Stupid stuff like that which is usually geared to "teach" the kids that Mom's an uptight bitch trying to ruin their lives with foolish things like honesty, integrity, and personal responsibility."

:eyes:
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 11:09 AM
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21. Think about where the concentration of female nerve endings are.
Hint: Not in the v. canal.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 01:46 AM
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30. Women don't need a pill
They need a responsive, thoughtful partner. I could mention some other items that might be useful, but it would get the thread locked.

All women deserve a loving and mutually beneficial relationship, in and out of the bedroom.

:woohoo:
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Lagomorph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 01:56 AM
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31. If they get a pill that gives women orgasms....
dating is over.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 02:34 AM
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33. Why? They have plenty of "toys" on the market that do the same thing
and women still go out on dates. :shrug:
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 06:02 AM
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34. Thanks for sharing this.
I've always thought that if we went back to the "sacredness" of sex, men wouldn't have erectile dysfunction problems and women would feel much more receptive. I know, that's simplistic, but pills will not cure what ails us. I am only speaking of heterosexual relationships, but guys need to forget the final act and focus more on the whole person. Sex is something so trivial in comparison to the long journey in between.

Hope this makes a modicum of sense.
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