Iran renews offer to help on US oil spill

[ensho]

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=127487§ionid=351020101


The National Iranian Drilling Company (NIDC) has renewed its offer to assist the US in reining in an ecologically disastrous oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

Mehran Alinejad, the head of special drilling operations at NIDC, pointed to the experience gained by Iranian experts in containing huge oil leaks during the eight-year Iraqi-imposed war in the 1980s, and said, "Iranian technical teams have had major achievements in oil well capping and the Gulf of Mexico oil rig is not a great feat in comparison."

"There is, at any rate, an ecological disaster in the Gulf of Mexico and its negative consequences will affect everyone. That is why if we receive a suitable response from relevant officials we can examine the issue and contribute to its resolution," Alinejad was quoted by IRNA as saying.
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they have experience, please let them help.

at the start of the Katrina disaster Cuba wanted to help save people from roofs, send medical teams, supplies etc. and the neo cons said NO.

No was a way stupid thing to say.

let the Iranians help for pete's sake! we need all the help we can get!

[no_hypocrisy]

1. Well, gee! If we let Iran help us, then we can't hate them anymore!

:sarcasm:

[tomm2thumbs]

49. America needs outside enemies to keep our internal battles to a minimum

joining ranks against 'the other guy' has been our national pasttime

[AndyA]

2. I don't think we should refuse help from anyone at this point.

Who knows, it might open up a new dialog and resolve a few issues. :shrug:

[ensho]

4. true

nt

[greencharlie]

11. that's MUCH too reasonable. nt

[WeDidIt]

3. THEY HAVE NO FUCKING EXPERIENCE IN THIS!!

The deepest they operate off shore is 25 meters under the surface of the water.

You buying into their propaganda doesn't help.

[Jokinomx]

15. yes..you maybe correct...however...

they aren't saying they could STOP the gusher...but to allow a ship or two to help clean up the mess... why not?

[Statistical]

18. Um no they are EXACTLY saying they "could" cap this.

Per OP >
"Iranian technical teams have had major achievements in oil well capping and the Gulf of Mexico oil rig is not a great feat in comparison."

Of course what the nutjob forget (like forgetting the Holocaust) is that the wells capped in Iran were on land, and Iran has absolutely no experience with deepwater wells. Iran has exactly 0 deepwater wells planned, much less in operation.

[NotThisTime]

26. There are plenty of Country's offering help with deep off shore drilling experience & we say no....

There are plenty of Country's that have stepped forward who would be qualified, but we keep saying no...

[Regret My New Name]

27. If it's propaganda, then the US denying it is the goal. :)

In which case, it should be accepted. Seems like a win-win either way.

[Statistical]

33. So accept it and let Iran (who has no knowledge or experience)

fiddle with a well below the surface?

That makes a lot of sense.

[Regret My New Name]

36. Nahh, but let them send some 'experts' over and see what they say.

If they say something stupid like "let's throw golf balls and tires into the well", then we can laugh at them and send them home.

[Jokinomx]

50. LOL...

Now that was a great response!! :-)

[Andronex]

52. +1000

[Xicano]

51. And you're an expert on the capabilities of this company?

So far all I've seen from you is a lot of hot air without anything to backup anythiny I've ever seen you post.

[cali]

5. Comparing capping the oil wells during the Iraq/Iran War

nearly 30 years ago- oil wells that are on land, btw, with the deep sea well in the Gulf, is ridiculous.

Here's the thing many of you don't seem to understand, but one more time: The technology to deal with this accident does not exist.

I'm quite sure the Iranians know this. This is nothing but a pr move.

[wtmusic]

6. The tech to deal with this accident should have existed

before they ever drilled the damn well.

[WeDidIt]

7. That realization is about twenty years late. n/t

[LakeSamish706]

8. Yep, and still Obama refuses to hold Bush et al accountable for this. n/t

[greencharlie]

12. lol... just LOL. nt

[cali]

9. no kidding.

[Obamaknowzz]

53. True to form. You try to kill solutions. You sound

an awful lot like one of those Right Wing obstructionists. Here is a great opportunity to reduce tensions with Iran and you try to kill it before you hear them out. In fact looking at your posts obstructionism using non-sequiturs is your forte.

Very strange.

[robinblue]

10. Obama should have called for an international team of experts a long

time ago. Meet and put heads together and get the job done.

[greencharlie]

14. hmmmm... during the NBA playoffs? Don't think so... nt

[robinblue]

16. So, why do you think the WH has done this?

[greencharlie]

19. why do I think the WH has done WHAT? nt

[robinblue]

21. Sorry, my question should have been...

Why do you think the WH has not called on international help?

[ShortnFiery]

22. +1000

Excellent suggestion. President Obama MUST do this for the sake of this Nation.

[Jokinomx]

13. absolutely... we should allow them to assist...

This would be a great way to start a new relationship with Iran. It's all about respect and the U.S. has not given Iran any respect for 50 years...since we helped overthrow their government in the 50s and put the Shaw in power.

We can't change the past ...but we can change the future. They offered ... we should accept.

that's my opinion...

[cali]

20. we should only accept offers from those with real expertise

Iran has exactly zero expertise when it comes to deep ocean drilling. It's a pr move and nothing but. Can't blame them for that, but people here should know a bit more about this than to take such an offer seriously.

[harun]

30. Like you're the expert on Iran? Give me a break.

[Statistical]

34. But you are? Give ME a break.

See how easy that is.

Iran has no deepwater wells. Not a single one in the history of the country.

They have neither the experience, the knowledge, nor the equipment to seal a well 5000ft below the water.

Mexico sealed Ixtoc I..... it took them 9 months. The Aussies sealed a deepwater well ..... it took them 4 months.

Everything other than the relief well is a Hail Mary. Something to try while we wait for the relief wells to be completed but in reality has small chance of success.

Bad news is it likely will take months to seal the wells (using the exact same method every other similar well has been sealed using) via relief wells.

[Obamaknowzz]

54. So don't even see what they have??? What in the hell is going on

here? Who are you people who snuff potential solutions before they are presented?? BP and Government have solicited info from "anybody" with an idea on how to stop this thing. Over 700 have been offered. Maybe Iran has some technique that they developed that can be applied to underwater wells

You people here trying to kill this are very strange. You are afraid of something and it seems you fear reduced tensions between Iran and West. I don't know for sure but I wouldn't be surprised to find that you and a couple of others here are pimping for the corporatists.

[Statistical]

56. Iran crashed a SUPER TANKER into their own oil well in the middle of the day

during calm seas. I wouldn't want them anywhere near the Gulf.

Also their two oil gushers took 6 months and 26 months each to cap and these were low pressure shallow wells.

Oh and 11 workers died during the botched capping attempts.

Given Iran complete and utter failure in capping even the most simplest of wells I wouldn't want them anywhere near the deepest well in the history of mankind.

[Obamaknowzz]

58. You just don't make any sense. There are ways of using their ideas

without them setting up shop in the Gulf of Mexico. Your opposition is specious and irresponsible in such dire circumstances.

I'd guess you have some other motive for discounting Iran's input. The supposed experts in this area just caused the worst environmental disaster in history, nobody can claim to be an expert, but we can certainly consider well thought out ideas.

Personally I don't think BP gives a shit about anything but their bottom line. This accident is eerily similar to what the US did to Iraq. Turning it into a toxic waste dump.

[cali]

38. uh, never made any such claim, genius.

your reading comprehension isn't quite up to par. remedial study on your part is desperately needed.

[Obamaknowzz]

55. Yes you did! You said earlier that Iran has never done offshore drilling.

How the fuck do you know that so fast??
What in the hell is your agenda person? Who the hell do you work for?

[Statistical]

17. What experience? Iran has exactly 0 deepwater offshore wells.

They have capped exactly 0 leaking deepwater offshore wells.
They have cleaned up exactly 0 leaking deepwater offshore wells.

Yeah loads of "experience".

Mexico has experience in this kind of a disaster..... of course it took them 9 months to cap the well. The aussies have experience too but it took them 4 months.

[Jokinomx]

23. I never said that we should allow them to try to STOP the gusher...

We should allow them to assist with the clean up... you don't need experience to do that....

They NEVER said that they wanted to take over the operation...they offered help... we should allow them to help.

It's a small step in a positive relationship with them that is all.

[Statistical]

24. Read what Iran ACTUALLY said and get back to me.

It isn't a positive step at all. They are making an unfounded claim and will simply use it as propaganda.

If the US was stupid enough to let Iran cap the well they likely would fail.
If the US doesn't let Iran try and cap the well they will use it against the Obama administration.

Best of both worlds from a fascist regime.

[Jokinomx]

45. read my post....

I never said to ALLOW them to cap the gusher...I don't care if they have asked to cap it... they offered help... I said... accept their offer to help. WE can dictate what help they give. They may have some ship somewhere that can help clean the surface....our own government isn't even trying to take over the capping of the gusher...that is BP's problem... the clean up is where we could use all the help we can get.

[Statistical]

48. You are aware that their largest ever oil gusher was result on one of their tankers

colliding with their own oil platform.

Now sure I really would want Iranian ship's operating in the Gulf (with 30,000 wells) given that track record.

Of course during the capping of their shallow water rig their "experience" resulted in deaths of 11 workers so I really doubt they have any technical expertise to offer.

[Jamastiene]

25. So much for that "Iran is our enemy" meme.

Geez, I don't agree with a lot of their policies toward women and gays, but dammit, if they'll stop the death and destruction of the Gulf, why not let them help?

[MellowDem]

40. It's painfully obvious propaganda.... nt

[harun]

28. This would be a good opportunity for them to improve relations

with Iran.

Which is exactly why they won't take them up on their offer.

[thewiseguy]

29. This is BS. They do not have the experience of operating at such depths.

[ShamelessHussy]

31. look at how much our experience has helped... and they do have plenty of experience with

clean up and containment operations.


Burning Iranian oil platforms in the Sirri and Sassan oil fields, shelled during Operation Praying Mantis on April 18, 1988.

we should be accepting all the help we can get... and i am sure other nations have volunteered, why aren't we accepting any help?!

it is juvenile behavior at best.

[thewiseguy]

32. Its the depth that makes all the difference in the world

They do not have the expertise to stop this oil gusher.

[ShamelessHussy]

35. that is only ONE component of the problem, containment and cleanup are also huge problems right now

think about it

[Statistical]

37. this is the one component that Iran called "not a great feat"

The claim made by Iran in the OP is that Iran could cap the well and that it would be trivial.

[ShamelessHussy]

39. the point my friend is that we need a LOT of help, why are we not accepting any?

this Iran story is simply distracting from THAT real issue.

think about it...

[Statistical]

41. Here is the reality nobody want to hear.

Every single blowout of similar size and scope has been sealed by a very simple method.
Drill a relief well, intersect main well, force drilling mud into main well and cap.

99% chance that is ultimately what caps this well.

That is what capped the blowout in Montara in Australia.
This is what capped the blowout in Ixtoc I in Mexico (Gulf).
This is what capped the most difficult wells in Persian Gulf (destroyed by Saddam).
This is what capped Nowruz (oil platform in Persian Gulf hit by a tanker).

It is going to take 60 days more to drill relief wells. Everything else is simply a Hail Mary. The siphon attempt, the dome, the junkshot, the top kill. It is all to simply "try something" while we drill relief wells.

The reality is all those Hail Mary have been tried by other countries and they all failed. What ulimately stopped all this platform gushers is a relief well.

[ShamelessHussy]

43. no, that is just 1 part of the 'reality'. why do you ignore the others? why are we not accepting

any help?

wtf

[Jokinomx]

46. it's now obvious that we shouldn't allow drilling of a well without another relief well along side

any deep well.... so if the well does blow out we have a way to stop it within a few days or weeks...not months.

[Statistical]

47. Yeah.

I would also add to that a much more robust riser stack.

Like two BOP stacked on top of each other and connected via a deadman's relay (if either device faults the other one closes automatically). The BOP should also be tested to ensure they are rated for both the pressure and the hardness of the pipe. The BOP shear rams should be able to reliably cut through any section of pipe in use including the thickest and across joint (where 2 pipes are screwed into each other). The entire complex would be reinforced and geologically stable, with a method to jettison the rise pipe (disconnecting complex from rig on surface) and with 3 methods of activation (primary, backup, and acoustic deadman switch).

[blindpig]

57. Which indicates that this technology is inherently unacceptable.

We have been lied to all along by government and industry.

Oh well, that's capitalism for ya.

[truth2power]

42. We should consider the offers of ANYONE who is willing to help...

The US Govt. has the emotional maturity of a bunch of 5 year olds. Nah nah nah Nah nah. I don't wanna play with you. Cripes!!!

This whole thread is full of: It's too deep. It's off shore. They have no expertise. Coulda woulda shoulda. What Iran offered is to "examine the issue and contribute to its resolution." What is the problem with that?

All the while, BP is doing such a bang-up job, doncha' know. Note to self: Definition of insanity...doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

I am so friggin' SICK of American Exceptionalism!!!

Like I said....the emotional maturity of a bunch of 5 year olds. :banghead:

[Bryn]

44. For the sake of the enviroment, wildlife, marine life ...

We could use all help we can get from all over the world even Iran.