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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 12:29 PM
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The other co-chair of Obama's debt commission made Social Security pact with Gingrich
Edited on Mon May-24-10 12:49 PM by madfloridian
under the Clinton administration. That would be Erskine Bowles, Clinton's Chief of Staff. The deal was made by Clinton and Bowles to work with Newt Gingrich to form a "centrist political coalition" to "fix" Social Security and Medicare.

From US News and World Report in 2008:

The Pact Between Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich

In the evening of Oct. 28, 1997, House Speaker Newt Gingrich headed to the White House to meet with President Bill Clinton, ostensibly to hammer out final details of the 1998 budget. In reality, Gingrich and Clinton were putting finishing touches on a deal to create a centrist political coalition to fix long-term problems facing Social Security and Medicare.

..."While there were dozens of reform plans circulating around Washington, ranging from minor tinkering to radical overhaul, there was a growing consensus around "middle ground'' proposals that combined some structural changes in the retirement age with some form of private accounts. There were also hopeful signs that the public was ready for a serious discussion about Social Security reform. An August 1997 survey by Clinton pollster Mark Penn found that 73 percent of Democratic voters favored some form of privatization, and support was especially strong among younger workers. Independent polls also showed that many young people believed that without significant change the programs would not be able to provide for them in their old age.


I never heard of that poll by Mark Penn. I trust it about as much as I trust him.

But please note the words "private accounts." Do you remember how our Democrats of all shapes and sizes mobilized to fight George W. Bush when he used those words? He changed the words around, used "personal" accounts, and we still fought him and won.

The exact details would have been worked out later, but the broad outlines were clear. Gingrich was willing to give up the tax cut for a proposal that included private investment in Social Security. "The balanced budget bill was Act I,'' Gingrich reflected. "This was Act II.'' Instinctively, both men still wondered whether the other was setting a trap in preparation for the upcoming elections. Would Clinton leak word that Gingrich was once again trying to tamper with Social Security and Medicare, reinforcing his image as hostile to the old and poor? Would Gingrich tell reporters that the president was ready to accept the centerpiece of Republican proposals for Social Security: privately funded accounts?


Today it appears that the "centrist political coalition" is the "bipartisan commission" set up by President Obama.

Most of the major players on that commission are quite willing to do whatever it takes to allow private business more profit in Social Security in the future.

From CJR in March of this year:

Social Security’s Code Words: Erskine Bowles takes the stage

Those who consider themselves Social Security mavens know the name Erskine Bowles. Bill Clinton’s former chief of staff, and currently president of the University of North Carolina system, Bowles has teamed up with former Wyoming Sen. Alan Simpson to head the newly created deficit reduction commission. The president tasked the commission with finding ways to reduce the federal deficit and reforming the country’s two most popular social programs—Medicare and Social Security.

Both Simpson and Bowles are making their way back into the limelight, so it won’t be long before the media, which we know plays a good game of follow the newsmaker, will soon be covering what they say. Bloomberg began last week when it covered Bowles’s speech to the North Carolina Bankers Association’s annual Bank Directors Assembly. Like his sidekick Simpson, Bowles didn’t mince words, saying:

"We’re going to mess with Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security because if you take those off the table, you can’t get there. If we don’t make those choices, America is going to be a second-rate power, and I don’t mean in fifty years. I mean in my lifetime."

Boy does that sound dire, since Bowles already sixty-four; Simpson, for what it’s worth, is seventy-eight. A live-blog on the Web site of the Charlotte Business Journal shared more of Bowles’s thinking. “We’re going to come out of this commission not very popular. Everything is on the table,” he said.


More about Alan Simpson

Here is more on the Debt Commission and how it was designed to "insulate" those on it from any criticism by we the people who want to keep our Social Security and Medicare unprivatized.

Packing the Debt Commission

In January, pressure from a broad spectrum of activist groups killed an amendment by senators Kent Conrad, D-North Dakota, and Judd Gregg, D-New Hampshire, to create a special bipartisan commission that would submit a broad deficit-reducing plan to Congress for an up or down vote by year-end. The commission's bipartisan makeup, its procedural restrictions in Congress, and the timing of its recommendations – arriving just after the midterm elections – were all designed to insulate the decision-makers from popular pressures that might take entitlement "reform" off the table. Moreover, because the 18-member commission (10 Democrats, eight Republicans) would require 14 votes for in order to report its recommendations, giving both parties veto power, cuts to Social Security and Medicare were widely assumed to be a necessary component of any consensus. In order for the commission to accomplish anything, Democrats would have to concede such cuts to Republicans in return for tax increases.

After the defeat of the Conrad-Gregg commission, groups defending Social Security had little time to rejoice before Obama resuscitated the plan, creating the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform by executive order. While the Commission's proposals will not be limited to an up or down vote in Congress, it's otherwise exactly as Conrad-Gregg envisioned, and Pelosi and Reid have promised to put them to a vote before the end of the current session of Congress.

Obama's deficit commission is actually much older than Conrad-Gregg. Its history as a vehicle for reforming Social Security goes back to 1981, when it was given life under President Ronald Reagan as the Greenspan Commission (guess who chaired it). The commission's first act was to raise Social Security payroll taxes across the board and lower benefits via changes to cost of living adjustments. Bill Clinton revived the commission many times during the '90s, each time with a slightly new name and slightly new members, always stacked to recommend partial privatization, which critics on the left mocked as "a solution in search of a problem." But Clinton thought it politically risky to proceed with its recommendations on his own, and in a little-known chapter to that story, his chief of staff, Erskine Bowles, helped negotiate a secret pact with Newt Gingrich in late 1997 to unite behind the commission's proposals to raise the Social Security retirement age and begin privatization.


It seems like there is just no way to make our voices heard on this.


President Barack Obama signs an executive order creating the bipartisan National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform, Thursday, Feb. 18, 2010, in the Diplomatic Reception Room of the White House in Washington, Thursday, Feb. 18, 2010. From left are, Vice President Joe Biden, and the co-chairs, Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak) Debt Commission





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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 12:32 PM
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1. CHANGE we cannot Survive.
When seniors start buying catfood for meals again, we'll know who to thank.
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 12:35 PM
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2. It will be time for the old folk and the disabled to riot
Edited on Mon May-24-10 12:37 PM by HillbillyBob
Those gated communities these rightwing pigs live in are not as secure as they think they are.

In effect they want to steal what we have paid in to SS and medicare as separate deductions from our pay checks.

If they were not already stealing from the trust it would be solvent with no problems for years yet.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 12:49 PM
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4. I fear Obama, in quest to do big things, will go with Conservatives
and we will end up with something that proves to be "privatization".

We can expect Medicare and Social Security to be cut. Obama
himself (whan appointing Simpson and Boles) said SS and Medicare
are on the table. Boles is no liberal.

The Budget always gets balanced on the back of Working Class.
Until the Economic Structure in this country is changed, nothing
changes. Business has the power along with the elites and as
long as this is the case, no real change can take place.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 01:01 PM
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5. No wonder Obama said he didn't worry about being a one term president
he knows he'll be richly rewarded for screwing the serfs over whether he serves four years or eight.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 08:28 PM
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13. A country needs a viable two-party system to be healthy.
The "post partisanship" the Democrats are practicing now is dangerous for the health of the country.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 12:21 PM
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22. Cat food is too expensive!
More like going without meals.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:05 PM
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27. yup -- it's gotten that bad for seniors.
:puke:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 12:38 PM
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3. Recommend - Greenspan like guys
Sitting to find solutions for the test of us.

Same shit different day.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 01:07 PM
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6. It feels sometimes that the American people are being S L O W L Y led to the slaughter.

While being distracted by corporate propaganda.


This is beyond tragic.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:10 PM
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10. We were so excited in 2008 when Democrats won.
And we worked so hard for them. It's kind of a sad feeling to realize the agenda continues just as always.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:20 PM
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17. I stopped working for him when he so blatantly turned on FISA
Edited on Mon May-24-10 09:43 PM by Catherina
What was disconcerting wasn't just how he turned but the ease with which he did so and the intellectually insulting double-speak. Unfortunately I'd already maxed out my contributions. Fool me once...

I'm sorry Mad. I know how much this hurts you.

Rec'd

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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:17 AM
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21. Yes, FISA was the beginning of the end. The gulf may be the tombstone.
Disappointment doesn't begin to cover it.

;(
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 05:19 PM
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25. I stopped with FISA also.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 01:10 PM
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 01:15 PM
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8. Getting a knot in the pit of my stomach just reading this...
...thanks for shining the light on the bastards.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 01:19 PM
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9. I already have one over education, getting bigger knot over Soc. Sec.
Edited on Mon May-24-10 01:19 PM by madfloridian
Kind of scary.

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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:37 PM
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11. You know, when I started paying into Social Security over thirty years ago,
I had a sneaking suspicion that I would either see very little of it in my old age, or not see a dime at all. There were noises being made during the late Carter and into the Reagan years about the "problems" with SS, and that something needed to be done (when in reality what had happened was the government had raided the SS funds leaving us a bunch of IOU's). I planned my life accordingly, and have managed to build a decent little nest egg for my retirement.

However it still pisses me off that they are going to rip off my hard earned money that I've paid in over the years. Worse yet, they're going to shred Medicare, leaving us at the tender mercies of an insurance industry that now has a mandated monopoly.

I have gone from homeless to living a pretty decent lifestyle, and now as I get older I, along with the rest of us, get to face the prospect of watching all I worked for disappear, transferred up the wealth chain to the few and elite.

I knew this was coming, but I never thought it would be a Democrat who implemented it. If this goes down as it looks like it will, I will never, ever vote Democratic again.

Between the wars, the assault on education, the HCR clusterfuck, financial "reform", and now this, Obama seems to be turning into just another Bush. No wonder he came out stating that he didn't care about a second term. The way he's headed, he's not going to get one.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:03 PM
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14. "I knew this was coming, but I never thought it would be a Democrat who implemented it.
If this goes down as it looks like it will, I will never, ever vote Democratic again."

MadHound, the sad part is that it does not matter whether we vote Democratic or Republican. We are going to get Corporate Party either way.

We the people are no longer needed except to feed children into the war machine and pay taxes.

One phenomenon that I have observed in my area is that the Democratic party leaders are, for the most part, very wealthy individuals. And while they may be highly respected for their business acumen and their public service, there is one huge disconnect: they are so far removed from the everyday life experiences of the average American citizen that they no longer can relate to the plight of the average citizen.

My question is why are there never any "average, working-class" Americans on these vaunted commissions that are supposed to be dedicated to the well-being of ALL Americans?

We may not be experts, but we sure as hell have opinions and can give perspective.

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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:42 PM
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18. Do you remember this Federal betrayal? The Tombstone Bonus?
Edited on Mon May-24-10 09:42 PM by Catherina
March of the Bonus Army - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiMuzkpT8Xs

March of the Bonus Army - Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlegmV5OJtM

March of the Bonus Army - Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s13NlsmLODc



The Bonus Army
An American Epic

Paul Dickson and Thomas B. Allen

In the summer of 1932, at the height of the Depression, some forty-five thousand veterans of World War I descended on Washington, D.C., from all over the country to demand the bonus promised them eight years earlier for their wartime service. They lived in shantytowns, white and black together, and for two months they protested and rallied for their cause—an action that would have a profound effect on American history.

President Herbert Hoover, Army Chief of Staff Douglas MacArthur, and others feared the protesters would turn violent after the Senate defeated the "bonus bill" that the House had passed. On July 28, 1932, tanks rolled through the streets as MacArthur's troops evicted the bonus marchers: Newspapers and newsreels showed graphic images of American soldiers driving out their former comrades in arms. Democratic candidate, Franklin Roosevelt, in a critical contest with Hoover, upon reading newspaper accounts of the eviction said to an adviser, “This will elect me,” though bonus armies would plague him in each of his first three years.

Through seminal research, including interviews with the last surviving witnesses, Paul Dickson and Thomas B. Allen tell the full and dramatic story of the Bonus Army and of the many celebrated figures involved in it: Evalyn Walsh McLean, the owner of the hope diamond, sided with the marchers; Roy Wilkins saw the model for racial integration here; J. Edgar Hoover built his reputation against the Bonus Army radicals; a young Gore Vidal witnessed the crisis while John dos Passos, Sherwood Anderson, and Sinclair Lewis wrote about it. Dickson and Allen also recover the voices of ordinary men who dared tilt at powerful injustice, and who ultimately transformed the nation: The march inspired Congress to pass the G. I. Bill of Rights in 1944, one of the most important pieces of social legislation in our history, which in large part created America’s middle class. The Bonus Army is an epic story in the saga of our country.

http://www.thebonusarmy.com/book.html



This is what they shouted as they marched down Pennsylvania Avenue, chanting,


Mellon pulled the whistle,
Hoover rang the bell,
Wall Street gave the signal
And the country went to hell.


Our history is full of stories of the government screwing over the people. This isn't new. If they touch Social Security, nothing will stop me from marching on DC and making a scene.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 11:51 PM
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20. Thanks for sharing that. I never knew of it.
Heading to watch the videos.

:hi:
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robinblue Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:07 AM
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29. Thanks for pulling this together. I have been edgy about all the
talk-about trying to 'fix' SS for a long time. I fear horrible things are happening behind the scenes-just like education 'reform'.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:54 AM
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30. Exactly, here we go again.

Great post, those who would forget history....

And this is the history, the history of working people, which they have buried. The people have no point of reference with the past, do not remember how strong and resilient past generations have been, how 'radical'. This is one of our jobs, to resurrect this past, that it's spirit may live again.

Thanks.
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 05:15 PM
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24. Except one thing. We will fight, or at least I will. With whatever it
takes to win. I will give my life to fight this attack on SS. They will have to shoot me on the street. And I'll bet there are millions like me.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 04:28 PM
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12. Okey dokey...call me the "extreme left" if you must.
It's getting to be a habit to compare any of us who question conservative Democrats with the right wing extremists....even though most of us are simply smack in the middle of where Democrats need to be.

From the other co-chair...Simpson. His reference to the "extreme left"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/94745-panel-urges-fiscal-overhaul

"Former Sen. Alan Simpson (Wyo.), the commission’s Republican co-chairman, told the group to expect attacks from both sides.

“None of us will gain from this, but we sure all do have skin in the game, and that’s our children and grandchildren,” he said. “Anything we actually do will be met by howls of anguish ... The extreme left and extreme right will savage our final product.”

Yes, sir, I do intend to "howl in anguish". You ain't heard nothing yet. Even if we have already lost the Social Security battle, even if we have already lost the education battle.....there will still be those who will speak out.






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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:07 PM
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15. Thanks for bringing this to the Greatest Page, Madflo. Rec. nt
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:08 PM
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16. k&r
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zenprole Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 10:09 PM
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19. Taking Stock
Why so glum? Across the sweep of politics since the Magna Carta, can we see no options other than fronting for a fraud or gnashing our teeth in disgust?

The key is working in unison, outside the strictly-policed venue of electoral politics, to oppose this three-decade-old chain of events whose capstones are an underwater oil volcano and the imminent smashing of Social Security. Doing so isn't rocket science, but people like Clinton, Gingrich, Bowles (who is very much a liberal), Obama, and Simpson would have you think so.

Was Clinton not elected to carry out the destruction even Bush couldn't deliver? (NAFTA '94, the Telecom act of '96, AEDPA '96, PRWORA '96) Seen through this lens, after the nightmare of W, what are Obama's goals?

I suggest people of conscience start viewing politics as a local guerrilla commander would: what will (often quite literally) get us and ours killed and what will improve an already-dire situation? The people above us don't care a whit, and those in and among us are incredibly put-upon and care only about the most immediate concerns. There are a ton of awful choices which involve pain and sacrifice, but which ones bear short-term fruit and are also the best for the future?

Since the early 60's, the right has been shrewd and almost fearless in their pursuit of policy goals. They do so in the name of the wealthy, corporations, and repression by their field overseers. We can just as shrewd and totally fearless for reasons of basic humanity. If this post sounds too far out, then by all means hang up your jock 'cause it is all over.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:57 PM
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23. Social Security is a subsistence check. That's all it is for most people.
Any money saved on Social Security will be spent on far more expensive forms of welfare. That's the trouble with pensions and Social Security, but especially with Social Security. Those are the last resorts of older people.

With middle class wages and salaries at a standstill for the past 30 years, ordinary families have not been able to save.

Facing the rising costs of education, many middle class families took second mortgages on their homes in the hopes of providing a better life for their children. Some of those people have already lost their homes. Some are on the edge. Poverty brings hopelessness, depression and makes chronic health problem even more difficult to deal with.

Growing old is never fun. But growing old when wealthy monsters in government are eying your pension funds or your Social Security and you are getting 0.5 percent per year on your meager savings is really horrible.

Today is my birthday. I'm getting older and I'm not happy about what faces me.
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burnsei sensei Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:45 PM
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26. Third Way thinking
in evidence again.
It is by way of it that the Democratic Party has decided to co-opt conservative Republican solutions to problems from 10 to 25 years ago.
It is because of it that Bill Clinton passed "Welfare Reform".
And it is because of it that Barack Obama refused to regard single-payer as an option in solving the health care dilemma.

The old conflicts of the 1950s and 1960s have not gone away.
We must not turn our heads and pretend that our interests are the same as the managing, investing and owning classes.
They are not.
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 08:32 AM
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28. Why a bipartisan commission?
Edited on Wed May-26-10 08:35 AM by olegramps
We don't need some damn commission headed by the likes of Erskine Bowles and the asshole Alan Simpson to fix Social Security and Medicare. What we need is a president that will fight for a just income tax on the wealthy. The budget deficient, and any problems with the funding of Social Security and Medicare have an easy solution. Increase the tax on the wealthy to at least 70% and confiscate the money that they stole from the working class by outsourcing their jobs by increasing the inheritance taxes. What has transpired is exactly what the Founding Fathers feared. Unregulated capitalism would result in the despised aristocracy being replaced with a plutocracy as wealth was concentrated in the hands of a few privileged families who control mammoth corporations. President Obama isn't up to the fight that is required. He couldn't even get decent health care reform when he had control of both the Senate and House. His appointments in regard to financial reform are a disgrace. He put the foxes in charge of the hen house. As Clinton observed he gives nice speeches. Heap big smoke, no fire! Am I disappointed, you better believe it.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:56 AM
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31. KNR
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