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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:26 PM
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"To push BP out of the way would raise the question, 'and replace them with what?'"
Edited on Mon May-24-10 02:34 PM by WeDidIt
Thad Allen, moments ago.

UPDATED TO ADD: Jindal's berms will take an extremely long time, six to nine months in some cases.

So Jindal is a posturing bastard on top of being a hypocrite.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:27 PM
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1. Replace them with a more responsible company, duh!
If such a company exists...

:eyes:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:29 PM
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7. He said that BP is the only one with the equipment that can address
this. Probably better companies, but maybe they don't have the proper resources, and we certainly don't.

I wonder if we could just move in our people (and the other experts the admin has gathered) and use their equipment.

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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:30 PM
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9. BP does not "own" the equipment. They are simply managers. They subcontract all the work
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:33 PM
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14. I'd like to see this happen too.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:28 PM
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2. Army Corps of Engineers, MIT Deans List Students and Alumni
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:28 PM
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3. Why Haliburton of course
What a silly question
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:28 PM
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4. What is "gravestones", Alex?
Edited on Mon May-24-10 02:29 PM by RUMMYisFROSTED
:shrug:
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:29 PM
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5. And, once pushed out of the way, BP might not be liable for future damages.
I'd like to know what government agency folks think is in the deep water drilling business.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:31 PM
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10. Nobody needs to be in the "deep water drilling business"
This shit needs to stop. NOW.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:35 PM
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17. Too late for that now.
Stop new ones, but there are already dozens upon dozens of operating wells and contractual obligations between the United States and the oil companies on many more that are drilling right now
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:38 PM
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20. Fuck the contracts
Call it a matter of national security. Which it is. End this destruction, or it will end us.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:39 PM
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21. What country or group is attacking the wells with bombs and boats?
National security my ass.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:42 PM
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22. In this case, it would be the UK
and maybe Dubai, since that's where Halliburton pretends to be from now (for purposes of tax evasion)
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:37 PM
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19. Ooh -- good point. nt
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:29 PM
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6. Well, by all means, let's keep them there in perpetuity.
Even after it's been revealed that their own shoddy tactics led to this catastrophe in the first place, ignoring shredded rubber from the BOP seals, plugging the well in an unorthodox manner, skipping inspections on technical drawings and specs. Why WOULDN'T we want them in place? How much worse could it get?
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:31 PM
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11. after surgeon botches the operation, why is he still in charge repairing life-threatening damage?
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:34 PM
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16. Is he? n/t
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:30 PM
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8. Stop trying to "save the oil" and plug the fucking thing up!!!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:31 PM
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I think we need to put other people in charge, but
I see no reason for BP to be pushed out altogether unless they refuse to work under new management. I think the govt. would have to seize their equipment though because I don't think we have much to replace it.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:31 PM
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12. So, we can't just be in charge? We have to send BP back to England?
We can't oversee what they're doing monitor what they're doing, INSIST they don't LIE about what they're doing?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:31 PM
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13. The imaginary experts
Sylvia Earle:

the industry, the oil industry, has the best technology presently in the world, except maybe certain navies, for actually observing and working in the sea. link


The President should absolutely not take on BP's liability.


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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:36 PM
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18. There is no release of liability in eliminating incompetents.
Besides, we don't have the backbone to hold BP liable anyway. We didn't with Exxon either.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 03:46 PM
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23. We don't hold anybody liable for anything, not even war criminals and torturers or banksters
Edited on Mon May-24-10 03:51 PM by chill_wind
that have bled us dry. War criminals and inept liars have cost us trillions in dollars, untold amounts of death, dismemberment and mayhem. I don't see any of them being held "liable".

Liability. I LOVE this hot new buzz word.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 03:52 PM
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27. You have a point there.
So what does it matter that we remove these thugs immediately? They won't be held liable either way.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 03:55 PM
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30. I'd agree.
That idle talking point is making me insane!
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:33 PM
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15. The newly formed International Ocean Police.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 04:26 PM
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35. Fuck that. Aquaman.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 03:47 PM
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24. Many DUers want to replace them with 19 year old coast guards
Edited on Mon May-24-10 03:48 PM by stray cat
or members of the house and senate
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 03:51 PM
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26. Who?
Curious - I haven't seen that.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 03:49 PM
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25. You don't know jack shit. eom
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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 03:54 PM
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29. I agree. In the last few days he's sounded like nothing but a gasbag IMO
n/t
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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 03:53 PM
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28. With a different company.
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jp11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 03:55 PM
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31. If the man in charge Thad Allen wanted them out or had issues with dealing with them I think it
would get taken care of one way or another.
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 04:16 PM
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32. with federal authority
Edited on Mon May-24-10 04:17 PM by William Z. Foster
Of course. As always in all civilized societies.

The very fact that this idea is controversial - or not understood - is one of the most telling and alarming signs of just how far we have descended into moral depravity imaginable.

This is the libertarian privatization doctrines run amok.

Responding to emergencies such as this to protect public welfare is the very reason we have governments at all. People disputing this are not merely arguing against all liberal and progressive ideals, against everything that the Democratic party once stood for, they are arguing against all ideas about government from the Enlightenment on - maybe even worse than that.

People are arguing, aggressively and relentlessly, to promote and defend some sort of nightmarish corporate neo-feudalism. It is stunning to see.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 04:24 PM
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33. Right. Let's give them a fucking medal too.
What stinking bullshit this is.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 04:25 PM
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34. It's wonderful that Jindal has a solution. Really. It is.
But don't go parading around on TV like you're gonna have everything fixed up by tomorrow.
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