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Lesleymo Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 07:51 PM
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I watched Glenn Beck tonight. I want my brain cells back!
I have lots of ultra-right-wing friends and family, so I thought I'd see what ol' Glenn was talking about these days. Good lord.

He spent an entire hour talking about his own wacky ideas. He "proved" his points by showing clips of himself. He read various quotes from other people with a sinister tone of voice, suggesting that America is becoming Nazi Communist Europe and we are all becoming a global society which you know what that means. Oh you don't? Well stay tuned. Glenn will tell you. Right after this commercial.

I think my IQ just lost about 20 points. Fortunately, Rachel will be on soon.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 07:57 PM
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1. He's nothing more than a conspiracy theorist
And a bad one at that
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:04 PM
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7. All conspiracy theories can be dismissed by knowing
that people are mostly good, people would stop a terrible bad when they see it because people are mostly good.

The only way a conspiracy can exist is if it is an ideology effecting many people, many times without them thinking or feeling, or knowing what it is doing. And those groups need secrecy to do that.

But there are better ideologies also.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:12 PM
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11. He's not a conspiracy theorist.
He's a propagandist.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:17 PM
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14. The two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive
I did find this nice breakdown of conspiracy theorists

http://www.urban75.org/info/conspiraloons.html


10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

1. Arrogance. They are always fact-seekers, questioners, people who are trying to discover the truth: sceptics are always "sheep", patsies for Messrs Bush and Blair etc.

2. Relentlessness. They will always go on and on about a conspiracy no matter how little evidence they have to go on or how much of what they have is simply discredited. (Moreover, as per 1. above, even if you listen to them ninety-eight times, the ninety-ninth time, when you say "no thanks", you'll be called a "sheep" again.) Additionally, they have no capacity for precis whatsoever. They go on and on at enormous length.

3. Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.

4. Fondness for certain stock phrases. These include Cicero's "cui bono?" (of which it can be said that Cicero understood the importance of having evidence to back it up) and Conan Doyle's "once we have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however unlikely, must be the truth". What these phrases have in common is that they are attempts to absolve themselves from any responsibility to produce positive, hard evidence themselves: you simply "eliminate the impossible" (i.e. say the official account can't stand scrutiny) which means that the wild allegation of your choice, based on "cui bono?" (which is always the government) is therefore the truth.

5. Inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor. Aided by the principle in 4. above, conspiracy theorists never notice that the small inconsistencies in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any alternative account.

6. Inability to tell good evidence from bad. Conspiracy theorists have no place for peer-review, for scientific knowledge, for the respectability of sources. The fact that a claim has been made by anybody, anywhere, is enough for them to reproduce it and demand that the questions it raises be answered, as if intellectual enquiry were a matter of responding to every rumour. While they do this, of course, they will claim to have "open minds" and abuse the sceptics for apparently lacking same.

7. Inability to withdraw. It's a rare day indeed when a conspiracy theorist admits that a claim they have made has turned out to be without foundation, whether it be the overall claim itself or any of the evidence produced to support it. Moreover they have a liking (see 3. above) for the technique of avoiding discussion of their claims by "swamping" - piling on a whole lot more material rather than respond to the objections sceptics make to the previous lot.

8. Leaping to conclusions. Conspiracy theorists are very keen indeed to declare the "official" account totally discredited without having remotely enough cause so to do. Of course this enables them to wheel on the Conan Doyle quote as in 4. above. Small inconsistencies in the account of an event, small unanswered questions, small problems in timing of differences in procedure from previous events of the same kind are all more than adequate to declare the "official" account clearly and definitively discredited. It goes without saying that it is not necessary to prove that these inconsistencies are either relevant, or that they even definitely exist.

9. Using previous conspiracies as evidence to support their claims. This argument invokes scandals like the Birmingham Six, the Bologna station bombings, the Zinoviev letter and so on in order to try and demonstrate that their conspiracy theory should be accorded some weight (because it's “happened before”.) They do not pause to reflect that the conspiracies they are touting are almost always far more unlikely and complicated than the real-life conspiracies with which they make comparison, or that the fact that something might potentially happen does not, in and of itself, make it anything other than extremely unlikely.

10. It's always a conspiracy. And it is, isn't it? No sooner has the body been discovered, the bomb gone off, than the same people are producing the same old stuff, demanding that there are questions which need to be answered, at the same unbearable length. Because the most important thing about these people is that they are people entirely lacking in discrimination. They cannot tell a good theory from a bad one, they cannot tell good evidence from bad evidence and they cannot tell a good source from a bad one. And for that reason, they always come up with the same answer when they ask the same question.

A person who always says the same thing, and says it over and over again is, of course, commonly considered to be, if not a monomaniac, then at very least, a bore.


If that's not Beck, I don't know who is.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:15 PM
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16. Totalitarian communications as a means of control: A note on the sociology of propaganda.
Edited on Tue May-25-10 09:15 PM by OnyxCollie
Kecskemeti, P. (1950). Totalitarian communications as a means of control: A note on the sociology of propaganda. The Public Opinion Quarterly, 14(2), 224-234.

A communication cannot be viewed as an isolated stimulus automatically evoking a certain response. The surrounding circumstances make an enormous difference insofar as the response is concerned. If we want to predict the response, we have to consider not only the content of the stimulus (what the communication asserts), but also the predispositions of the recipient and the perceived role and nature of the source. One of the most important questions, in connection with this last-named variable, is whether the source of a communication to me is perceived as a person whom I know and trust, or as somebody having no person-to-person tie with me. In the former case, I shall very probably accept the communication as truth; in the latter, belief will depend on my image of the basic motivation of the source. If the source's perceived role is that of a mere purveyor of information who has otherwise no axe to grind, I am likely to accept the content of his communication matter-of-factly, without an urge to look beyond. If I see the source as a human being expressing a spontaneous opinion, I shall take that opinion simply as something with which I agree or do not agree, and if I wish I can freely acknowledge the source as an authority whose views, as views, carry weight for me. But if the role of the source includes elements extraneous to the supplying of facts or views-e.g. if I see him as interested in maintaining a power position in which I do not share then a barrier will be set up between him and me, and I cannot spontaneously
internalize his message.

~snip~

Furthermore, the official supplier of news must compete with a formidable illegitimate rival-the rumor-monger. Rumors have a three-fold advantage over official news: first, they are transmitted in a person-to-person situation, rather than through official, institutional channels; second, their transmitter is seen as interested merely in imparting knowledge, with no axe to grind and no official position to defend; third, they satisfy the need to see beyond the authorized picture, to share the secrets "they" are interested in hiding. Rumors acquire great importance and prestige in totalitarian societies because they satisfy needs otherwise unfulfilled.

~snip~

By acting as a public conscience, the standard image of the world does, in the end, influence intimate attitudes. The mechanism by which it does this is not, as I have tried to show, simple suggestion, but a more complex play upon motives and expectations. Since there is every possible inducement to be loyal, the individual wishes to be loyal, and combats his own disbelief and disgruntlement. This leads to the suppression of experiences contrasting with the public image and to an acceptance of all those aspects of the public image which can be squared with the individual's own intimate values.

The controllers of the public image seek to facilitate this by appealing to motives known to be entertained by the average citizen. Thus they use symbols which they know have prestige with the ordinary man and appeal to his group egocentrism, such as national symbols, and they seize every opportunity to play down to the mass. The anti-highbrow content of both Nazi and Soviet "public opinion" is an instance of this. Whenever possible, the totalitarian exponents of this public opinion present themselves as mouthpieces of the general will, and of the general taste. Even so, the public conscience does not wholly coincide with the intimate conscience. There is a gap between the two, but the public conscience is sufficiently powerful to shape overt behavior and, to some extent, private thinking. Where the gap between public and private conscience is too wide, the individual can perform publicly as an automaton and take refuge in apathy or in rebellious thoughts. Otherwise, he will adjust himself to his public conscience as well as he can.


What's the difference between a conspiracy theorist and a propagandist? The propagandist is provided with a platform of a major cable news network to spread his corporate-approved conspiracy theories.
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:30 AM
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28. I enjoyed the article, thanks
good stuff, yep.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:00 PM
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2. it;s very unsettling to know so many fellow
Americans buy into his b.s. I get anxiety attacks thinking about that.
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mynameiswhat Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:01 PM
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3. He uses their own words
idk if the context is right tho?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:01 PM
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4. Too late...those brain cells are gone for good.
Let that be a lesson to you! ;)
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:01 PM
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5. Better to turn on KO
while waiting for Rachel it will save you all those lost brain cells. :-)
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one_voice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:01 PM
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6. I tried to watch him once...
it was a replay of his show, at like 2am cuz I couldn't sleep. I stayed awake for about 7 minutes. It worked better than Benedryl.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:04 PM
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8. I watched him once, about two months ago, and I
felt like I had peeked in the window of an old-fashioned insane asylum where they didn't have medications to help the people there. He was ranting on about something, but his behavior was so bizarre, I didn't really pay attention to what it was.

I hope you recover after watching Rachel. People should avoid doing that to themselves. I will never do it again.
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rustydog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:07 PM
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9. I believe his pained expression comes from pulling such wild
hypotheses right out of his ass every freaking night.
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mascarax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:08 PM
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10. I'm sorry for your loss...of brain cells
I used to fast forward Beck to track his commercial advertisers. Watching him in fast forward was bad enough!

Too bad his dwindling viewers never get his "sources" are...himself!
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:15 PM
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12. You could have huffed paint.
You would have lost the same amount of brain cells with the added benefit of getting high.
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Lesleymo Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:43 PM
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15. hahaha! I'll try that next time.
Though I don't think I'll be tempted to tune in any time soon. I can't believe people watch him night after night. What a loony tune.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:17 PM
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13. The Ernest T. Bass of commentary. To quote Barney Fife, "He's a nut."
Yep, separated at birth, alright.

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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:19 PM
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17. If you have a choice between taking a dose of the brown acid or Glenn Beck...
...well, now you know what to do. You may have flashbacks.
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SargeUNN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:23 PM
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18. Beck is a Rodeo Clown
he said so and I can accept that as truth he slipped up and stated. He also said nobody should take him serious and he didn't care about politics. Enough confession for me to think he is just trying to make tons of money without such things as honor, truth, and concern of country getting in the way.
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The Gunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:42 PM
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19. You deserved to lose them for watching him.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:44 PM
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20. You could have had four shots of whiskey, killed the same number of brain cells, and had more fun.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 10:58 PM
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21. Stay the hell out of there.
Do you want to lose your mind? ;)
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:00 PM
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22. The guy with Nazi tourettes never disappoints, does he?
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:04 PM
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23. Lonesome Rhodes with a chalk board.



After his advertisers got a look at what they were paying for they deserted him in droves. :rofl:


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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 04:56 AM
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24. Sorry
That is time you will never recover. Hopefully, you won't ever try that again. Actually, though, now that you've seen him, you can play the game called "name that DSM4 diagnosis", otherwise known as the Fristian Twist. I chose sociopath with bipolar disorder. I don't think he has schizophrenia but I could be wrong.

One of the main reasons I stay away from him, besides the loss of time and possible IQ points is that I have family who struggle with bipolar and it makes it uncomfortable to watch when Beck exhibits the characteristics. Luckily I have no family members currently alive who have sociopathy but if I did, I would stay the hell away from them, just like I do Glenn Beck.
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Lesleymo Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 06:04 AM
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25. I see the same in Sarah Palin.
My mom was bipolar, and Palin's resignation speech gave me chills. She sounded absolutely exactly like Mom in the middle of a manic episode.

Beck, on the other hand, just sounded full of himself and ridiculous. But if he believes what he's saying, I'm sure there is an official diagnosis that would fit. I can't believe anybody takes him seriously.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 06:23 AM
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26. You knew the risks when you turned on the TV
I say, "let your IQ crash."
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 07:43 AM
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27. He really is an idiot isn't he?
At least he admits that he is just an entertainer/comedian.

Like Comedian Rush Limbaugh.

They are just so hilarious! :sarcasm:
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