Yell Louder, Yeah, that Will Cap the Oil Leak (What do you expect Obama to DO about it?)

[Hamlette]

I don’t know how to cap the big oil leak in the Gulf and truth is neither do you. And even if it is capped in five minutes from now, the damage is already done.

That said, as a longtime vocal opponent of off shore oil drilling, and proponent of renewable energy, I wish to publicly disassociate myself from all the newly concerned voices screaming at the top of their lungs that the government must “do something” if they don’t come with concrete suggestions for what exactly can be done. They do not represent me and please don't ever confuse me with them, okay?

Without an easy solution in sight, and with the knowledge sinking in of just how harmful this oil gusher will be to the Gulf of Mexico, its shores, its fishing and tourism and quality of life, a lot of people seem to be screaming that somebody should yell louder and point their fingers harder.

Okay, just this once, I will point fingers. You know who is to blame in addition to BP and the government that allowed this oil rig to be built? Every single one of us that ever drove a car, got in an airplane, or drank from a plastic bottle (they’re made from petroleum, too). The heavier our “carbon footprints” the greater each of us is to blame. Go yell at yourself now.

Yell at yourself especially if you live in the United States, because you use up twenty times the earth’s resources as people in other countries. You are, therefore, twenty times greater to blame for this civilization’s addiction to oil that created the market for which BP and others went drilling in the seas.

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/3964/yell-louder-yeah-will-cap-oil-leak (hat tip John Cole)

more at the link

Remember: Before you kill yourself, be sure and dump hard on Obama first.

[Chulanowa]

1. Well, he's supposed to swim down and stick his thumb in the hole

That's what Bruce Willis would do, if bruce Willis were president!

[Rockholm]

20. Naturally.

In Armageddon, they were able to train and fly out to a friggin' asteroid to save the planet. We need Bruce Willis. NOW.
I am at a loss as to what these RW a-holes WANT Obama to do besides what he doing now.

[William Z. Foster]

2. sounds good

We will blame the everyday people, then.

None of us knows how to cap an oil well, so we will let BP handle it. After all, BP told us that this is how we should look at the problem. What were we thinking?

No more protest, either. That would just be "yelling loud." Can't have that.

Got it.

Well, no more politics for me. I am just going to talk to people about changing their personal lifestyle choices. It is all our fault, and there are no political solutions. We know nothing. We are nothing. We count for nothing. We are losers.

[Karmadillo]

4. We suck. Our noble leaders are puppets to our whims.

nt

[Hannah Bell]

14. puppets, i say! mere puppets to whatever i demand on the internets!

the poor dears! they need a nice trip to the beaches of somalia.

[treestar]

8. We do need to take some responsibility

Considering we are 5% of the population of earth but use 20% of its resources. We all have cars, or most of us do.

I don't think it's so unreasonable to ask us to take some responsibility. We have choices, and we chose consumerism, as a people.

[cliffordu]

3. K&R...Sums up EXACTLY WTF I feel.

[seabeyond]

5. i have been thinking this too. we are demanding it. it is being got for our use, our demand

i was talking to kids at the table for this. yes bp is at fault. it was their greed that pushed them to the problem. it was previous govt not having enforced regulation. if obama doesnt get on it, then point the finger. but bottom line, they are getting it for our use.

when i listen to posters on du go after obama adm.... i think hypocrite.

[TheDebbieDee]

6. ITA! Things would be different if the Admin KNEW how

to stop the leak!

[KILL THE WISE ONE]

7. it is not like they are holing out on us, when a can of stop leak would fix it

[treestar]

9. I was beginning to think DU Posts would stop the leak.

Post away, DUers, until the posts stop the leak!

[QC]

16. Says a person who averages nearly 5,000 posts per year. n/t

[treestar]

21. How did you calculate that?

Well dammn! I can stop the leak myself!

[KT2000]

10. First of all

I have long been for diversified sources of energy to transport us from one place to another, and the manufacture of products. When industries and politicians make deals to keep alternative sources out and keep oil as king, that is beyond my control.

In the Gulf we are in a situation that requires very specialized knowledge. If the government did not require these corporations to have contingency plans in place, then there is nothing much the government can do short of nationalizing BP and taking control of their knowledgable employees.

The government cannot maintain employees capable of solving every potential problem that could occur when technology goes wrong.
If Obama were to declare BP the property og the US government - could you imagine the reaction from the people and Congress? He will be cut off at the knees.

I am not going to yell at myself. But I will yell at the bush administration that castrated the regulatory agencies in this country, planted career toads that would be in place for the next administration, and everyone who places profits above all else.

[lamp_shade]

11. Seems a whole lot of folks here have all the answers. No... wait... actually they don't.

[Swamp Rat]

12. I want to stop the leak with Dick Cheney's head

[depakid]

13. People will continue to be horrified- wonder why this cannot be stopped

and then as it continues to go on they will look to people other than themselves to blame.

And you know where they'll look? At sorry ass sycophants who cluelessly backed the policies and unrepentant politicians that caused this disaster.

btw: in case there's any doubt- I think this post ranks by far among the most clueless- an represents just the sort of dysfunctional psychological dynamic that's led to the Gulf having been despoiled.

[freddie mertz]

15. Blame the victims of the spill. Yeah, that's it.

"Every single one of us that ever drove a car, got in an airplane, or drank from a plastic bottle..."

Yeah, maybe THAT will get them to stop demanding accountability from their government.

:puke:

[sendero]

17. Ah bollocks......

.... I'm so sick of the "if you ever used oil products you are responsible" pile of HORSESHIT I could choke.

It is roughly akin to "if you ever smoked a joint you are responsible for drug cartel violence". It is idiotic and wrong on its face and I won't deign to point out the logical fallacy, if you can't see it you are a moron.

That said Obama has plenty to answer for, but this catastrophe isn't it.

[BeFree]

18. Yeah

It's like saying if you ever used a toilet you are responsible for all water pollution.
Not too smart. Idiotic, really.

So what do they do? They go on the internet and yell that the victims are to blame for BP's clusterfuck. They need to take their own advice, eh?

[seabeyond]

23. i dont get how you exclude demand from the discussion. if you are a regular user of drugs

then yes, you are part of the mess. if you use toilet paper, than yes you have a part in the whole. demand certainly is a part of supply. i dont know how you dont inculde that in the discussion.

we need the oil. suppliers are going to get the oil to supply us

i dont know about off shore. never been in favor of. but then i dont know a whole lot about the industry. i know a little about peak oil. reality is, though, this spill was not about getting oil out of the ocean. it was about lax regulation and bp ignoring signs there was trouble for the buck.

[BeFree]

25. Well

To me, what this *spill* is about is 2 things. But first, it isn't a spill.
Think of it as a busted sewer line.

First, it is fixing the busted sewer line. 35 days later still flowing? And I'm supposed to feel better that it might get plugged in 60 days? See my problem? Why am I not happy?

Second, it is getting oil out of the water before it kills everything in the gulf. EVERYTHING.

So far, that too, is a failure. I am not happy. I will not settle for a mediocre response. If you think I am to blame, then why complain when you hear me yell and scream?

What else can I do? The only other option is to STFU and obey BP.

[seabeyond]

31. firstly, i generally use gush, oops using spill this time, my bad.

second first.... i have started gathering info and listening to various sources since i really dont know much of anything about offshore drilling, clean up, repair, ecological system of area ect and i dont like telling people what they need to do when i dont know the answers. there is no fast fix with the pipe. the only thing i am hearing is to drill and that takes a while. we really have to be careful that pipe does not go down, making hole bigger because there is lots and lots of oil there. so it is something they have to be concerned about, and not just a try whatever. not make the problem worse. that is what i have gathered to this point. no one likes it. no one is happy. do i look happy? is that how you see others if they arent in line, they are happy about the gusher? that makes no sense and we have to have, at least, a little sense.

you second, i have not gotten enough info to make comment yet. i do have some info. the kill everything, everything.... i mean everything, isnt a reality and it is bad enough, i dont think we have to go to exaggeration. what i learned last couple days and particularly today listening to oceanologists is the marshes and wet lands should be left alone. surprised? i was. listening to the people here on du.... is clean it up. and then listening to the experts that know the issues and problems say, about all agree they would do more damage to the stuff, ... plants and other stuff, if they tried to clean it. there was much more in this conversation if you are interested. i found it really interesting and would have been arguing for the opposite if i did not listen to this expert. but as i said, i cannot go more into some of this conversation cause i just have not heard enough or any solutions on cleaning up, per the experts, you know scientists. they talk about what isnt good, so i have idea there, but they are not talking about more they could do for clean up, which leads me to think, maybe they are doing what they can. i dont know, though. i have to be open.

what else can you do? be informed. so you know if what you are yelling and screaming about makes sense. understand that those that see the reality of the situation hate it as much as you do. just cause i am not yelling or screaming, or i am looking from different angles, does NOT mean i dont hate it every bet as much as you do.

[BeFree]

36. well

You admit you are just learning. That's good.

Once the marshes are oiled, it does seem that the best thing to do is let nature take its course. But there are non-damaging things that can be done on individual plots.

What I am focused on is keeping it out of the marshes. We can always do better. Always.
Its hard and expensive to do so, and you can bet your BP, profits come first.

I have a keen understanding of seashores. To see any of it be oiled is heart-breaking because I know what damage will be done. And knowing as I do what emulsified concoction will do the the aquatic species is doubly heart breaking. The emulsified water will kill everything it comes in contact with. It is toxic.

I am very unhappy with what has happened and what is to come and the way the people in charge are moving slow. I know what's going down, and am glad you are learning. Once you learn what I know, methinks you too will be raising hell.

[lunatica]

19. If you want to be constructive come up with some solutions

Otherwise just shut the fuck up.

[seabeyond]

22. does that apply to everyone on this board regardless of their position? nt

[lunatica]

24. No

I'm actually referring to the author of the accusation. Is he a DUer?

[seabeyond]

26. ah, i see. thanks nt

[mzteris]

27. over 10,000 posts

- yeah - I'd say that makes her/him a "DU'er".

Don't know if they're a "good DU'er" or an "evil DU'er" but they certainly seem to be a "DU'er".

[lunatica]

28. I'm referring to the author of the article, Al Giordano

Not to the OP. Click on the link.

[mzteris]

33. ooops - sorry.

'swhat I get for trying to read pre-coffee!

:donut:

[lunatica]

35. I've made the same mistake a number of times

[Hamlette]

30. I think the point is, those who say Obama should do more need to explain what it is he could do but

is not doing.

Some Obama critics here on DU make it sound like Obama has the ability to stop the spill if he would just take control of the situation away from BP.

I think the author is saying it is as productive/honest to "blame" Obama for not doing something when his options are about as limited as ours as individuals. We can yell at ourselves then kill ourselves.

[seabeyond]

32. i didnt want to learn all there is to learn on this subject. but the yell for obama to do more has

made me have to listen, and listen and listen to the experts to understand the different issues on this subject. and i gotta tell you, there is something to be said in knowing what is going on instead of emotional reaction.

[Ganja Ninja]

29. Spot on!

The government should look around and see where they can expedite clean up efforts but by no means should they "take charge".

[joeybee12]

34. You don't want to know, you just want to bury your head in the sand...un-reccing...n/t