Strip Club Recruits Recent Grads-'Class Of 2010' Sign Drawing Mixed Reactions

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Strip Club Recruits Recent Grads
'Class Of 2010' Sign Drawing Mixed Reactions


JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- A gentleman's club is taking some heat over a recruiting campaign that targets recent graduates, Jacksonville TV station WJXT reported.

The sign outside the Centerfold Lounge reads "Now hiring the graduating class of 2010."

Some people think the club should take it down, saying it lowers the bar for young people.

"I think it's terrible. I mean really, young people could do a lot better than that," nearby business owner Rose Chirkovich said.

Recent high school graduate Meghan Russell, 18, called the sign "pretty disgusting."

The job posting is club manager William Warner's brainchild. And although he finds it funny, he said it's no joke.

"I mean, look at the economy. We have nothing to offer these grads," Warner said. "I do. I have what they can make money. Yes, we're looked at as scum of the Earth, but it's a paycheck -- money that will put food in their stomach and keep a roof over their head."

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/23680752/detail.html

[undeterred]

1. College grads or high school grads?

Maybe, in this economy, they can't do better than this.

[gmoney]

2. An attractive woman can make close to six figures doing this, a lot of it tax-free

Plus, it won't cost your parents (or force you to borrow) $100,000+ for you to become a stripper, like it would to go to college or grad school.

There aren't a lot of are other fields where that kind of income is even a remote likelihood these days for those straight out of HS or even college. Wish that weren't the case, but that's the state of the union at the moment. And most guys don't even have THIS option... yard work or Taco Bell are their big opportunities.

That guy's sign is a sign of the times.

[HughBeaumont]

6. Some "entertainers" put themselves through school that way.

They graduate with no student loan debt. The pervs that go to those things are practically walking ATMs. If that's what they want to do and they're clean/careful about it, how is this a bad plan?

[Javaman]

9. I know two gals that did just that.

Ones is a lawyer and the other a doctor.

It pays well, but you have to put up with lots of crap.

[HughBeaumont]

23. Definitely not the best of environments to work in.

Sometimes, it's the quiet customers you have to be leery of.

[greencharlie]

7. yup...

I actually dated a stripper for a year back in the 90's...

And yeah, they make bank. Her average nightly haul was $500-$700.

She'd work Fri and Sat night and then one night during the week... spend the rest of the time at the beach or goofing off with her friends. She literally couldn't SPEND all her cash. I'd be in her car and look in the glove box for a CD and there's be $1000 rolled up and bound with a rubber band in there... she'd laugh. She ended up going through a nursing program and today is an R.N.

[Kalyke]

20. It's not like that anymore.

Now, they are freelance. They aren't employees of the club. They must pay to rent space in the club and live only on tips. Sometimes, a woman is lucky to bring home anything after shelling out for the club fee and the men aren't big tippers.

[snooper2]

77. not like that in Dallas

nt

[greencharlie]

37. just to add...

she ended up getting BIG implants put in, big D's... I thought she looked like crap, a cow. But she said it actually increased her income. When she was in nursing school, she actually had them removed and replaced with some C's...

She ended up OK, a good girl. She just grew up in kind of a "Hippy Family" and never thought twice about the "properness" of stripping. She got it all out of her system and as far as I know... is married, has a good career and at least one kid, too.

However, I think this is pretty rare and a lot of her friends are/were fuck-ups.

[seabeyond]

8. i have yet to meet a rich stripper. i hear lots of talk about it. but all the strippers i know

cant pay their electric bill. being a young girl and hungry, there are choices we have to make, that can be an indicator of the rest of our lives. it needs to be thought thru. not a flip decision.

[gmoney]

24. I think a lot of them are bad with money.

When a young person makes a big payday, it's easy to be careless, outspend it and be taken advantage of. Look at the Rolling Stones (who had lost all the rights to their early recordings, had all their money disappeared, and were in huge tax debt at a time when the 95% UK tax rate made it impossible for them to earn enough to pay their taxes, so they ended up fleeing to France to record "Exile" as tax exiles) or Mike Tyson (who probably earned closed to $100 Million from fights, only to end up broke). That list is almost endless...

I think it happens on a smaller scale with many strippers -- easy come, easy go, so to speak. I've known a couple who were notoriously bad with money, and while they COULD make $800 on a good night, they could also make $50 on a slow night, but would not moderate their lifestyle. They think the good times will last forever.

Probably for every one who makes big money, there are many more who don't for whatever reason. The smart ones can probably make it work for them... the others?

[seabeyond]

29. influences of the environment, mentality of the workers.....

i think there are a lot of reasons and are all a factor in this big pay, that isnt. i have not seen the glorified results for strippers (work thru college, be lawyer and doctor) as others continually bring up, ignoring the reality of a strippers life.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

46. Javaman, above, says he has.

I haven't (rich or poor) because strip clubs are virtually unheard of in Brazil. It's more of an American thing.

Experiences vary, I guess.

[kiva]

62. It may depend on where you live.

One of Nevada's legislators in the 1970s was very open about the fact her daughter was a topless dancer in one of the casino reviews, saying that it didn't carry the stigma of sin that existed in other places. A topless dancer isn't a stripper, but the idea is similar. I've had several students who work in the clubs, some as strippers, some as cocktails or bartenders, and they don't have any more issues than any other student.

I suspect that in many communities it may not be as acceptable, and thus attract women with other problems in their lives.

[Dappleganger]

60. In high school I used to babysit for a stripper...

her husband also was the bartender in the same establishment. Nicest couple you could ever meet, they spent a lot of time with their two little ones. They had a neat little home just down the street from our house and appeared to make a very decent living (this was before the days of easy credit).

[Radical Activist]

3. I suspect the sign is meant to attract customers more than applicants.

Now the news coverage provides free advertising. Smart guy.

[gmoney]

5. Strip club owners can be pretty crafty...

There was a guy who had a club here in a fairly affluent suburb, and they kept passing laws to try to shut the place down, but this guy had the best lawyer around and always figured out a loophole PLUS managed to get it on the front page of the paper and the local news on a regular basis. Not that it's too hard to get local media to exploit sex for ratings while acting like they disapprove of the club's actions.

[aikoaiko]

28. Right, it says we hire 18-22 year old women.

[Blue-Jay]

4. Hey, at least they're hiring.

[Kalyke]

10. That's so sad.

Women should have more options to make the same kind of money as men rather than just showing themselves.

I realize a handful of strippers want to be there, but the vast majority have drug issues, lack of access to education and/or simply couldn't make it on the salaries traditionally offered young women.

[katzenjammers]

13. If people were meant to be nekkid

they'd be born that way.



:D
:silly:

[Kalyke]

16. I have no problems with "naked."

I have problems with the continuation of our society to treat women as nothing more than sex objects put on earth to please men.

[katzenjammers]

26. I agree. We should change that and treat men as nothing more than sex objects

to please women. Or even better, to please other men.

:D

[snooper2]

78. So you think strip clubs should be outlawed by the federal gov.?

nt

[frustrated_lefty]

43. I agree with the sentiment

But, have you noticed men don't have jobs? Nearly 1 in 5 people are unemployed or underemployed.

I wish I could shake my ass and bring home a paycheck.

That's not meant as a joke. All morals fall aside until there is food in the children's mouths and a roof over their heads.

[gratuitous]

11. Indoor work, no heavy lifting

Don't have to train in the use of a weapon, and probably not called upon to kill anyone for some bogus, made-up reason. Not sure why the job opening announcement would be "pretty disgusting" or any more objectionable than some of the recruiters of high school age persons, some of whom are a lot more persistent and intrusive than a sign outside a club.

[undeterred]

12. No horny drunks in the workplace.

:sarcasm:

[Lance_Boyle]

14. Nice reporting - business seeks to recruit new employees. Film at 11.

If I was a recent HS grad, I'd run down there and fill in an application. Then sue for gender discrimination when they tell me the positions are open to women only.

[seabeyond]

15. which was an obvious void in the report. and offensive because of dishonest. at least have balls

to say it the way it is.

[Kalyke]

18. Fantastic point!

:applause:

But, you could go apply at Hooter's. They discriminate against men, too.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. Uh, when it comes to performances and stage shows, etc.

It's perfectly legal and ethical to "discriminate" by gender, race, age, etc.

[Kalyke]

21. If you're correct, then why?

And Hooter's isn't a stage show, so how do they get away with it?

[SteppingRazor]

25. The simple answer is they don't get away with it. Hooter's has been successfully sued by men.

And there's lawsuits pending regarding weight issues.

[Kalyke]

54. Good.

They deserve every bit of it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

27. Let's say I'm casting for a play about Mark Twain.

Mark Twain, as written in the play, is the old iconic white guy with the bushy hair and mustache.

So if I have two people show up for audition, one's a young black fat woman, the other's an old white guy with bushy hair and mustache. I can hire the old white guy, legally and ethically, even if the woman has had more acting experience.

Now let's say I'm casting for a musical production on Broadway. I can hire dancers under the same sort of rules.

And strip clubs are dancing, just like Broadway, even if they're considered much lower class.

Modeling position is the same thing. The job requires a certain physical appearance, I can discriminate based on physical appearance because it's part of the job. You can't do that for office clerks, or engineers, or school teachers. Because appearance is immaterial to the job, and it's illegal to discriminate in that case.

I don't know about Hooters. I suppose that since they're hiring not just waitresses but some kind of waitress/"model" position then it's valid.

[tammywammy]

40. "Bona fide occupational qualifications"

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

48. Interesting choice of example. My ESP says you're giddily waiting for the autobiography.

There, I proved telepathy exists. Stop mistreating the woo woos NOW! :silly:

[seabeyond]

17. so, the men hip in sending these young high school grads for jobs, send daughters

tell them what an outstanding job it will be for them to strip down for a bunch of vulgar, creepy men enduring the most disrespectful comments. be sure to clue them in how to build a wall, to protect themselves from inflicted pain and disrespect that will come their way. and then, once they have that wall up, nice and secure to protect themselves, the money will just flow in

then dads, you can brag to your co workers what your daughter is doing for her summer job. and your co workers can go on down, and jack off to your daughters. come back and talk to you about her tits, just how hawt they are and what they did for them. what they would like to do to your daughter.

since it is majority men on this thread that think it is a bang up job for a young girl to have

[Kalyke]

22. + Infinity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TransitJohn]

30. there's no inflicted physical pain or jacking off in strip clubs

:eyes:

[seabeyond]

31. and once that young, inexperienced girl is truly hardened, and sees the worst of men,

she will truly be equipped to pick a hubby, mate, have a relationship. something fathers can truly wish on their daughters.

hey, good ignoring the whole of my post and making up an argument.

did i say physical pain?

and i will bet ya, there is jacking off going on in the club. whether a man is caught or not is a whole other story.

[Blue-Jay]

49. Are you referring to The Stealth Wank?

and i will bet ya, there is jacking off going on in the club. whether a man is caught or not is a whole other story.

[TransitJohn]

53. C'mon, you know we're helpless and whip it out....we're unthinking testicles

You know the drill.

[Blue-Jay]

57. No kidding. I'm rubbing one off right now.

Can't help myself. That's just the way men are wired.

[Kalyke]

56. Her point wasn't that they whack off in the club (even though they do),

Her point is that any decent father would feel heart pain at the thought of his male friends seeing his grown daughter naked and gyrating and having his friends whack off to her image (whether it's at the club or later at home).

I think that flew right over you.

[Blue-Jay]

59. I just wanted to coin the phrase "Stealth Wank".

It's mine. You can't use it.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

61. It's yours only for purposes of message-board discussion.

I reclaim its use as a band name.

[Kalyke]

64. You don't have to worry. I doubt I'd ever feel the need to use it.

[TransitJohn]

69. As long as she sees the worst of me, it'll all be okay.

:eyes:

[Bunny]

32. +1

:applause: I'm sure that all the guys who think this is just fine would strongly encourage their own daughters to do the same. Wouldn't they? Or is it only fine to objectify other men's daughters?

[seabeyond]

34. they have to encourage their daughters to strip for a bunch of old men, or they would be hypocrites

and surely these men arent hypocrites.

[jp11]

66. A business owner advertising to hire people, I think it is fine, people in this case those

potential employees are young women have a choice to take a job like this or not. Do I jump for joy at a strip club targeting what amounts to 'just legal' young women for this, no I don't. I'm sorry the feeling that working to make money is a bad thing when you aren't breaking any laws, how enlightened and progressive to judge other people for the choices they make that are perfectly legal. There is a difference to encouraging people you care about into doing something like this and not accepting people live their lives as they so choose whether you agree with it or not.

It is fine to objectify whomever you want as that is your choice just as it is fine to sit in judgement of other people for the decisions they make in living their lives, still your choice.

[redqueen]

33. Hell yes... sign up your daughters and wives and sisters... it's good money! (nt)

[seabeyond]

35. damn. i forgot about the wives and the sisters. i know my father and two older brothers would have

loved visiting my work place to encourage and support me with tips. like they did when i was just a mere waitress that kept my clothes on.

[redqueen]

45. It reminds me of the old cliche about dads being worried about daughters

once they start dating.

It's like a light bulb goes off, and suddenly things that didn't register at all before suddenly become important.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

47. "Send daughters"? It's adults we're talking about.

Parents should have no control over what legal job they apply for. Their liking or disliking of such job should be immaterial.

[Blue-Jay]

50. Precisely. Adults are free to do whatever is legal.

Sometimes when naughty bits are involved, people forget that.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

51. The phrasing reminds me of Victorian-era parents, "marrying their daughters"...

(and sons too), as if moving pieces on a chess board.

If THAT is not objectifying, I don't know what is.

[redqueen]

70. Yes, the wording could have been better... but the point stands.

As long as any guy cheering this stuff on would be A-OK with his daughter(s), wife, girlfriend or sister doing it, then there's no hypocrisy involved.

seabeyond was trying to people to address that point, not make it seem as if women were to be controlled.

I thought that was kinda obvious, really.

[seabeyond]

74. of course it is obvious. i am sending son to the grocery store to apply.... for his first job

i am also sending him to sonic. two places he can apply for a summer job at 15 and is walking distance. that is why the wording was as is, it is what i am experiencing at this moment with my kid.

encourage your daughter to strip, because it is profittable and there is no difference between that job and mcdonalds, works.

they only made the absurd comments because they didn't want to address the issue.

it totally ridiculous to bring up the legality of the job which has NOTHING to do with my post.

it is a game some men play because they cannot/willnot be honest and expect others to buy into their dishonesty.

edited.... to add the some in front of men so no one would argue i was saying ALL men.

[redqueen]

80. "they only made the absurd comments because they didn't want to address the issue"

Yep... sure seems that way.

[nichomachus]

36. I'll believe that this is a club for "gentlemen"

if you believe that Fox News is "fair and balanced."

[nichomachus]

38. Chris Rock: They don't grade fathers, but

if your daughter's a stripper, then you fucked up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tojBadSr2zI

[Maru Kitteh]

39. +1

[Orsino]

41. I've laughed at that joke before, but it's a hurtful meme that needs abandoning.

Not all sex workers are failures, and not all of them need shaming.

[nichomachus]

42. Strippers are considered "sex workers?" Really?

they all have sex with their customers?

[Orsino]

65. Yep. So are porn stars. n/t

[cbdo2007]

44. "young people could do a lot better than that" - says local business owner who is NOT hiring

ha ha, that was the best part.

Nothing wrong with strippers being strippers. It's a very well paying industry and is perfect for women with the right kind of personality for it.

[Kalyke]

52. So when is your daughter/wife/girlfriend applying?

:eyes:

[cbdo2007]

67. I wasn't aware my daughter/wife/girlfriend needed a job? If you talk to her though...

tell her to quit eating all the steak!!

Really, get over yourself. I'm sure you're all high and mighty and moral and perfect and you only do things that everyone else in the world thinks is right and perfect.

Some people don't have the option to be as wonderful as you are so they work as strippers. Big deal. I'm sure you've done plenty in your life that I don't agree with but I'm not going to call you out on it. I doubt you'd own up to any of it anyways...but if it's someone else, "oh the horror!!!" ha ha

[seabeyond]

68. Some people don't have the option ... so they work as strippers.

we understand that. which is exactly what we are talking about. it is the people pretending it is a good choice in life, that it is wrapped up all pretty with a bow on top, ignoring the not so positive aspects of strippin that we are addressing.

we know WHY the majority of girls chose strippin. we know the results of most girls strippin. and it is not something we wish or encourage with our girls. heaven forbid we dont ignore the reality of it as some men would like to do.

it is the dishonesty in this discussion that we are addressing. and that is what is being ignored by some men because some men refuse to address it for different reasons.


edited to add a SOME to one of the men i had typed so all understand i am not, by any means, saying all men.

[cbdo2007]

73. ha ha - even that is a joke. "pretending it is a good choice in life..."

Geez, if I made up a list of the things everyone does that they thing is a "good choice in life" and clearly is not...well that's pretty much what our whole society is based on.

So some women are strippers and everyone else out there is doing other stuff that is doing just as much harm to them and their kids and whoever else, but for some reason "strippers" have an extra stigma attached to them that other groups do not.

[seabeyond]

75. what a ridiculous position. regardless of what everyone else is doing,

if it is not an healthy choice, it is not an healthy choice and should be addressed, in honesty, at the very least. what 'everyone" else is doing is insignificant.

it sounds like a kid argument, when i address their poor choice. well other kids.... and i give a shit about other kids.... why?

[Dappleganger]

55. In agreement, a job's a job.

[paparush]

58. This thread is useless without pics!

/someone had to say it ;-)

[Kalyke]

63. Many posts here are anecdotal - statistics tell us this lifestyle is HARMFUL to women:

The message that working in the sex industry is normal, exciting - sometimes even empowering - is a popular one in our culture. Over the past few years, lap-dancing clubs have proliferated, branding themselves as a respectable part of the leisure industry. At the end of last year, Larry Flynt, the founder of Hustler magazine, opened his first British lap-dancing club in Croydon; Manchester has its first student lap-dancing bar, the Ruby Lounge, and a former stripper has been shown giving a topless lap-dance on Big Brother. Music videos by mainstream artists including Britney Spears, Kylie Minogue, Robbie Williams and Justin Timberlake, have featured lap-dancing or pole dancing, while job centres advertise lap-dancing jobs alongside the more usual calls for human resources managers and chefs.

Yet academic research has linked lap-dancing to trafficking, prostitution and an increase in male sexual violence against both the women who work in the clubs and those who live and work in their vicinity. A recent conference in Ireland highlighted the use of lap-dance clubs by human traffickers as a tool for grooming women into prostitution; the clubs also normalise the idea of paying for sexual services. And a report by the Lilith Project, run by the charity Eaves Housing, which looked at lap-dancing in Camden Town, north London, found that in the three years before and after the opening of four large lap-dancing clubs in the area, incidents of rape in Camden rose by 50%, while sexual assault rose by 57%.

SNIP

Was Elena ever verbally abused, or propositioned for prostitution? "Just by being there," she says, "you're acknowledging that you are something that they can pick and choose from, in that dehumanising way. A lot of men are totally blunt, and will say 'I like bigger tits than you've got', or 'How much for a blowjob?' Sometimes men try to persuade you to go back to their houses or to a hotel room for sex. There's a lot of blurring of the understanding of what it is you're supposed to be doing and whether you're actually a prostitute.

"The clubs maintain a veneer of no touching, but touching is more standard than not," she continues. "If I had a boyfriend now and he said he was going to a lap-dancing club, I would consider it to be infidelity. The fact is that if you break the rules, you make more money. If one dancer starts breaking the rules then the pressure is on others to do the same. Otherwise a bloke would think, Well, that dancer charged me £20 and stayed three feet away, but that one charged me just the same and she put her breasts in my mouth and sat on my crotch. Once you've been there a while, you learn that certain things are profitable, and no contact is the first rule you learn to break. Eventually you start to wonder, what is the difference between me and a prostitute?"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/19/gender.uk


Testimonies of stripping's impact on womens' lives.

http://www.object.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4&Itemid=29

This one is what we women have ranted about here:

I then worked in various solicitors, and the blatant sexism continued. One Christmas party we went out for a meal. Straight after dessert was served all the men in the office left to go to a strip club with a few of the secretaries in tow, leaving the rest of us at the restaurant. One of the secretaries went simply because she was having an affair with one of the solicitors and wanted to check what he was getting up to. Another went to fit in “with the lads” and seem cool. Only one man didn’t go, and I have always respected him for not following the crowd.
I have had conversations with other women who hate the whole “lad culture” in the
office but, faced with such entrenched attitudes it is not easy to bring this to your
employers without suffering derision and further propagating the divide. My present
employers know I am a strong feminist and my feelings about strip clubs, and
prostitution are well known. However, even in what is a comparatively moderate
environment, any discussion on these topics still serve only to distance me from the
others, as it’s still “just a laugh”, nothing to be taken “seriously.”
I feel I am sidelined, and I know I am talked about behind my back as the “prudish, funhating” employee. Personally, what this does makes me feel worthless.
I feel I am judged only by my appearance and not by my abilities. I have spoken to
countless “professional” men who only stare at my chest while talking to me; I have
had comments about what I wear, my hair; my lack of makeup. It seems that it is
perfectly acceptable to comment if I wear trousers more than skirts, or if I do wear a skirt I’m “getting my legs out” for clients or for the office. I am public property. I have never heard any similar comments being made to men.

http://www.object.org.uk/files/Testimony_Della%281%29.pdf

Sorry guys... all your bloviating about this being empowering to women, how it's quite all right if someone wants to be a stripper (it would be, btw, if it didn't carry over into workplaces were women didn't want to be gawked at), how it doesn't cause crime (proof that it does provided by a reputable British newspaper above), and all that garbage. It's not all right.

[redqueen]

71. Thanks for those links. (nt)

[lame54]

72. Is the military any better?

[Xenotime]

76. Stay classy, Florida

[proteus_lives]

79. Never really saw the point of strip clubs.

Went once, it was very "meh" and I don't think I'd go again.