Top Social Conservative: Hitler Used Gay Soldiers Because They Had 'No Limits'

[RamboLiberal]

A top official with a leading social conservative group recently laid out the view that Adolf Hitler deliberately recruited gays to be his "enforcers," because they had "no limits" to "the savagery and brutality they were willing to inflict."

During a radio broadcast, Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association explained:

So Hitler himself was an active homosexual. And some people wonder, didn't the Germans, didn't the Nazis, persecute homosexuals? And it is true they did; they persecuted effeminate homosexuals. But Hitler recruited around him homosexuals to make up his Stormtroopers, they were his enforcers, they were his thugs. And Hitler discovered that he could not get straight soldiers to be savage and brutal and vicious enough to carry out his orders, but that homosexual solders basically had no limits and the savagery and brutality they were willing to inflict on whomever Hitler sent them after. So he surrounded himself, virtually all of the Stormtroopers, the Brownshirts, were male homosexuals.

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The American Family Association, founded in 1978, is a fixture in the social conservative community. And Fischer isn't a nobody. He's currently scheduled to speak at "Values Voter" summit in September, along with Reps. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) and Mike Pence (R-IN) and Mike Huckabee.

Recently, Fischer said on his radio show that "God is obviously looking for" "more Phinehases in our day." In the book of numbers, Phinehase kills two people with a spear after seeing them engage in "sexual immorality."

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/05/top_social_conservative.php?ref=fpa

[no_hypocrisy]

1. Wouldn't the military be actively recruiting gays if that were true?

[Deep13]

2. Don't worry if the facts are not on your side. ...

...Just make shit up.

[Enrique]

3. so what kind of sex scandal is Bryan Fischer going to end up in?

I'm guessing rodents.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

12. I vote barnyard animals.

with Fischer wearing his favorite pink tutu.

[harry_pothead]

37. Ahhh man

stole my comment.

[John1956PA]

4. Just more lies from neo-con puppets. (n/m)

[maxsolomon]

5. there is no consequence for lying in conservative circles

he will never have to answer for these statements.

[Sinistrous]

6. Is there any documented corroboration of that

"...Hitler recruited around him homosexuals to make up his Stormtroopers..." assertion? Or, did Mr. Fischer just pull it out of his ass, like AFA spokesmen usually do with their "facts"?

[kevinbgoode]

7. So this clown not only lies about the gays serving Hitler

but then he turns around and lies about being a "Christian" as well.

The American "Fascist" Association might claim they have a religion, but it sure as hell doesn't have anything to do with a Christian God. It amazes me how these people lie with such impunity and still claim they have some special status as heterosupremacist "Christians."

If there were more Phinehases looking to spear people for engaging in sexual immorality, the AFA wouldn't have much of a listening audience left - and their beloved GOP would be left without a large number of political office holders and candidates.

[xchrom]

8. These hateful pieces of shit can say whatever they want..

And politicians of all stripes will take their concerns seriously -
and the media will treat theses people as if
they're not bat shit crazy.

[backscatter712]

9. Hitler didn't recruit gays, he sent them to death camps!

When I see Holocaust memorials, and see displays of numbers of various symbols of minorities he exterminated, along with the yellow Stars of David representing the Jews, there's also a certain number of pink triangles representing gays and lesbians that he had exterminated as well.

The AFA again is full of vile shit.

[GreenPartyVoter]

11. The guy clearly doesn't know his history. (Or he does, and is just a big fat evil liar.)

[ChairmanAgnostic]

13. the truth is immaterial to these folks.

When they start taking the faith over the real age of the universe, or the "theory" of evolution, it is all downhill from there.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

24. It's worse than that, actually.

The truth is immaterial to these folks, no matter how obvious, blatant, widely-known, and easily available it is.

Because their crazyfuckass base will cheerily block it out no matter what.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

28. you said it far better than I could.

[Johonny]

26. I believe a few early brown shirt leaders were thought to be gay

but yes after gaining power Hitler's policy was not very friendly towards homosexuals.

[backscatter712]

33. Could those Nazis have had Rekers/Haggard/Craig disease?

You know, the hypocritical assholes who are constantly bashing homosexuality, freak out about it, then they're caught tapping toes in airport restrooms, or hiring rent-boys to "carry their luggage"?

Could be...

[rfranklin]

10. Rohm of SA was gay and Hitler assassinated him and most of the brownshirts...

The Night of the Long Knives (German: Nacht der langen Messer (help·info)) or "Operation Hummingbird", or, more commonly used in Germany "Röhm-Putsch" was a purge that took place in Nazi Germany between June 30 and July 2, 1934, when the Nazi regime carried out a series of political executions. Most of those killed were members of the Sturmabteilung (SA), the paramilitary Brownshirts.

Hitler moved against the SA and its leader, Ernst Röhm, because he saw the independence of the SA and the penchant of its members for street violence as a direct threat to his power. He also wanted to conciliate leaders of the Reichswehr, the official German military who both feared and despised the SA—in particular Röhm's ambition to absorb the Reichswehr into the SA under his own leadership. Finally, Hitler used the purge to attack or eliminate critics of his regime, especially those loyal to Vice-Chancellor Franz von Papen, and to settle scores with old enemies.

At least 85 people died during the purge, although the final death toll may have been into the hundreds,<2><3> and more than a thousand perceived opponents were arrested.<2> Most of the killings were carried out by the Schutzstaffel (SS) and the Gestapo (Geheime Staatspolizei), the regime's secret police. The purge strengthened and consolidated the support of the Reichswehr for Hitler. It also provided a legal grounding for the Nazi regime, as the German courts and cabinet quickly swept aside centuries of legal prohibition against extra-judicial killings to demonstrate their loyalty to the regime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

For public relations purposes, and especially to quell the outrage felt throughout the ranks of the SA, Hitler justified his blatant power play by pointing to Rohm's homosexuality. Hitler, of course, had known of Rohm's homosexuality since 1919, and it became public knowledge in 1925, when Rohm appeared in court to charge a hustler with theft. All this while the Nazi Party had a virulently anti­gay policy, and many Nazis protested that Rohm was discrediting the entire Party and should be purged. Hitler, however, was quite willing to cover up for him for years ­­ until he stood in the way of larger plans

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Homosexuals_and_the_Third_Reich.html

[GreenPartyVoter]

14. So, Rohm was gay and members of the SA had a penchance for street violence, and that somehow

equals Hitler employing bloodthirsty gays all over the place? Is that what is going on in Fischer's head?

[MrScorpio]

15. Of course, he left out all the inconvenient facts

Pretty typical

[Raster]

23. These days the truth is worth more than gold.

Bless your heart!

[burnsei sensei]

16. Another big lie

to compose the universe for those who refuse to learn history.

[BreweryYardRat]

17. A new take on Holocaust denial.

Accuse the victims of being the oppressors. :puke:

Just when I thought these right-wing scum couldn't sink any lower...

[nichomachus]

18. When did "batshit crazy hate group" become "leading social conservative group"?

[Canuckistanian]

19. And of course, he presents zero evidence of this being true

But his flock will just eat it up as though it were "gospel truth". They won't check.

Pure ignorance and blind trust are now the hallmarks of the modern conservative fundamentalist movement.

[Swamp Rat]

20. Rachel Maddow should expose Bryan Fischer and rake him over the coals

This fuckwad is trying to set up a justification for the murder of all gay people.

I have seen his type before, Bob Enyert for example. He had a cable access channel here in New Orleans where he regularly called for the rounding up and murder of all gay people. We sent his sorry ass out on a rail. Now Denver must suffer that fucking piece of shit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Enyart

[GoddessOfGuinness]

21. Somebody seriously needs to clean temple

[Blue_Tires]

22. Fischer probably saw "The Producers" and thought it was real history

[harry_pothead]

38. OMG I almost spit my beer onto the monitor! +1

[hvn_nbr_2]

25. Here's the footnote with his source for that information

Imagination, M.Y., Monkeys Flew Out of My Butt, unpublished rantings, 2010.

[eShirl]

27. AND we never declared war on Germany, right?

Why learn real history when making it up is so much fun?

[AnnieBW]

29. Where does this dude think that the "pink triangle" came from, anyway?

It came from the pink triangle that the gays were forced to wear in the concentration camps, you moron!

[Matariki]

30. Sounds like some "top official" has been actively imaging things if you know what I mean...

[MrCoffee]

31. Did this clown think The Kindly Ones was non-fiction?

[LibertyLover]

32. This is such utter garbage

Of course, what should I have expected with the words American Family Association after this guy's name? There is no evidence that Hitler was homosexual - none, nada, zip, zilch. Yes, some of the SA, Ernst Roehm for example, were gay, but that was the exception, not the rule. And it didn't stay the exception too long either, since Hitler ordered the suppression of the SA really early in his chancellorship. He apparently executed Roehm personally. And while it was partially to prevent Roehm from organizing a putsch against Hitler, it was also because Roehm's sexuality was disturbing to Hitler. May the Gods save us from people who don't know history.

[Logikal1]

34. 'Christian' Conservatives Re-Writing History

Robert Heinlein in 1943 wrote of religious zealotry taking over the US at the turn of the Century. Seems he was a prophet. It greatly upsets me as a minister when I hear persons passing themselves off as 'Christian Conservatives' and 'Family Value Protectors' knowingly & deliberately distorting the truth purely to serve their own ends. I cringe seeing them with Bibles in one hand & placards dripping venom, hate, bigotry & all sorts of evil in the other.

These false 'prophets' who lead these groups are particularly disgusting. We're warned about them by Christ - and they are warned as well ("better for them if they had a millstone hung about their necks: etc)about misleading their followers.

Hitler was married to Eva Brown (& known to've been w/other women)which puts aside the'gay' Hitler argument. When he took over Germany the 1st persons 'removed' were gays - proven or not, along w/the mentally retarded, severely handicapped, epileptics, contemplative nuns & priests & most importantly, the rich & upper class Jewish citizens. All to give his people an immediate 'enemy' & enable his government to confiscate businesses & properties to fund his Great Third Reich. All 'good' Germans(& conquered citizens)needed to carry papers or be arrested & jailed( or shot on sight) Then, needing more scapegoats the pogrom expanded to include ALL Jews. Though we often hear of 6.5 million Jews killed the actual Holocaust was closer to 12 million when you include all victims.

American citizens don't realize how far WE are down the path Hitler took - just at a slower pace. First 7 yrs of the Bush Administration: the US illegally invaded a sovereign country on our leader's lies. Muslims? Suspect enemy agents. Many vital Constitutional rights went in the shredder thanks to the 'Patriot Act'..all without a murmur of protest from Congress or citizenry. Even now, knowing the hoaxes and lies, we sit quietly while 'Homeland Security' breaks into homes & intercepts mail/email/phone calls w/o warrants & arrests & holds citizens without habeous corpus. Arizona's forcing their scapegoats to carry papers. Now 4 other states want to follow suit. Texas? They've decided the hell with Truth: just rewrite all textbooks to teach their (WASP) version of history.

Gays in the military are the least of our troubles.

[dmr]

36. Welcome to DU, Logikal1

Excellent post!
:hi:

[AnotherDreamWeaver]

39. Yea, welcome to DU

I was in the Military, and mostly stayed out of trouble. Enough to get an Honorable Discharge.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

35. Talk about "no limits"

Is there no limit to the trash talk and lies these people will spew for the sake of grasping power?

No. I guess there isn't.

[Rex]

40. Good thing for him facts are not necessary to be a pundit in the US of A.

Idiots will listen to fools and preach their names to strangers.

[DailyGrind51]

41. Hitler killed gay soldiers along with the gay leader of the SA, Ernst Roehm.

Hitler's "Night of the Long Knives", murdered Roehm, along with the leadership of the SA (aka "brownshirts"), most of whom were homosexuals.