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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:40 PM
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Muslim Americans Under Attack-Right Fights To Deny Them From Building Their Own Places Of Worship
I find this abhorrent. Where are the Muslims' rights? Who is representing them? :grr:


Muslim Americans Under Attack As Far Right Fights To Deny Them From Building Their Own Places Of Worship


In communities across the country, Muslim Americans are under attack as radical conservatives are denying them the right to build their own places of worship. Here are a few examples:

– In Brentwood, Tennessee, Muslims planned to build the first mosque ever in Williamson County. After agreeing to numerous restrictions on how they would build their mosque so as to not offend the surrounding community — like not having outdoor speakers to broadcast the Islamic call to prayer — the Muslim community was finally able to get the Brentwood city commission to approve land to be used to build a mosque. Radical conservatives responded, and “through e-mails, blogs and word of mouth, opponents told friends and neighbors they were suspicious of the mosque and feared its leaders had ties to terrorist organizations.” After intense community pressure, the mosque’s builders decided last week to simply withdraw their plans. “There comes a time when you have to say, ‘We can’t do this anymore,” said Jaweed Ansari, a Brentwood physician involved in the mosque project.

– Two nights ago, the city council of Alpharetta, Georgia, voted unanimously to deny “an application by the Islamic Center of North Fulton to expand” their mosque. Alpharetta Muslim Parwaiz Iqbal protested the decision, saying, “If we are denied a decent place of worship, you might as well hang a banner here in downtown Alpharetta that Muslims are not welcome in this city.”

– In New York City, radical conservatives are attacking plans to build a mosque in a 13-story community center located two blocks from Ground Zero. Rep. Peter King (R-NY) joined the crusade against the mosque by saying it’s “very offensive and wrong” to build it, while regretfully admitting that it can’t legally “be stopped, however, because of the first amendment.” All of the right-wing outrage ignores the fact that innocent Muslim Americans, too, died on 9/11 — like Salman Hamdani, a police cadet and part-time ambulance driver who died “doing everything he could to help those in need” at Ground Zero. Last night, a Manhattan community board backed the proposal to build the Muslim community center there by a 29-1 vote.


In addition to being denied their places of worship, Muslim communities have been the victims of dangerous hate crimes. Last week, the Islamic Center of North Florida was rocked by an explosion, and police suspect that a pipe bomb was responsible. The Islamic Center is located in Jacksonville, Florida, and is attended by Muslim Human Rights Commission member Parvez Ahmed, who recently faced hateful remarks from a city councilman and area residents over his faith. Noting the lack of media coverage of the attack relative to the failed car bombing in Times Square, Matthew Yglesias observed, “Somehow this attack, despite its greater technical sophistication, hasn’t obtained nearly the same level of media attention. And I just can’t figure out why.”

more...

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/05/26/muslim-americans-right-worship/
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:47 PM
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1. Muslim's have become the
(mostly) Brown people it's just a-okay to hate, you see it even here on DU
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:51 PM
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2. I'm stunned that no one seems to care. nt
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 03:27 PM
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27. 'even here on DU' - BINGO! You nailed it. Lots of Islamophobia on DU.
See it every single day. Just take it for granted anymore.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 03:56 PM
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34. You see disdain for all religions on DU
Islam gets treated better than all of the others.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 04:04 PM
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37. Actually, that's false. Unless you mean another board known as DU?
:shrug:
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 04:22 AM
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40. No, it's not
People here go out of their way not to insult Islam, apologists abound on every Islam-related thread, people try the misdirection (saying, but look over there, they're surely worse!). No other religion gets that kind of consideration.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 05:38 AM
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41. Unfortunately that's not true
the thread about a mosque being built near the WTC site in NYC was, sadly, filled with people who honestly thought it was a provocative thing to do. Which shocked me.

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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 09:02 AM
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43. It will be seen as a provocation
and saying that outloud is not anti-Islam - it's anti-bigot.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:54 PM
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3. And in another 25 years or so, people will be asking, "Why do they hate America?"
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:57 PM
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4. K & R
:thumbsup:
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:58 PM
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5. 5-4-3-2-.....
waiting for the first "Well all religions are stupid" post.....
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 03:01 PM
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6. add in Naperville Illinois....
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 03:06 PM
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7. The Radical Right is coming for all of us eventually.
Edited on Wed May-26-10 03:06 PM by dgibby
They are intolerant of/hate anyone who isn't them. That includes anyone who isn't white, male, Christian, conservative, or straight We're all on their list, and it's just a matter of time.

My take on this: if you deny one religion rights, then you must deny all religions rights. If one religion can't build a place of worship, then none can. I'd get the ACLU on this in a NY minute!
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 03:08 PM
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9. Don't forget: you also have to be "the right kind" of Christian to get their approval.
Mainline protestants aren't trusted by them anymore, and they only ally themselves with catholics to achieve common political goals, but actually hate them too.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 03:25 PM
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13. It's not confined to the Radical Right. I've seen it displayed by some here at DU... n/t
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 03:07 PM
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8. They've been doing that to the Mormons for decades.
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 03:09 PM
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10. Oh, please. Examples?
Any from the 21st (or even 20th) century?
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 03:21 PM
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12. The Boston temple and the Nashville temple, from what I've been told.
Boston, there were years of lawsuits trying to block them from building, then they didn't want them to finish the spire.

In Nashville, zoning rules kept getting changed so that the Mormons couldn't be approved where they wanted to build. They finally gave up and built somewhere else.
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 04:29 PM
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14. And of course, it was JUST because they were mormon, right?
Get a clue. Mormonms have a persecution complex that is unsupported by facts.

I know; I used to be a mormon before I wised up.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 03:20 PM
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11. What?? and here in Marseille we are building the biggest
mosque in France, partly with public funds.... just saying....

I thought Islam was as american as Malcom X and apple pie...

I am an athiest and I dont mind hearing prayer called for for all of 5 minutes a day (five times one minute) or hearing church bells ring out the hours, or hearing a buddhist gong or hear singing coming out of hindu temples (you can hear and see all of this coexist on a tropical island in the indian ocean which is part of France called Reunion Island. The racial makeup is mostly mixed race, it is truly a reunion of people an cultures. I have visited severl times, my ex wife was a "French Mainlander" who grew up there and my current lady is a créole mixed race islander.... if we stay together for long we just may end up living there. It is by far the most tolerant place concerning religion, (rasta, christian, muslim, hindu, buddhist, voodoo,) and race (asian/african/asian indian/european of which most people are a mix) that I have ever seen. Plus outdoor grown weed (like old maui wowwie) sells for 60 euros for 40 grams on the coast and 10 euros for 40 grams in the mountains...... people smile and let you in traffic, the guys in the housing projects told me to get a car so they could get me better weed and spent an hour going from cousin to brother in laws etc. houses until they got me the real deal (one euro per gram)....with no intimidation...such a cool place that I took my daughter to the projects to go to the park because it was the closest park...
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Hatalles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 12:37 AM
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15. Pipe Bomb Attack on Florida Mosque
"In addition to being denied their places of worship, Muslim communities have been the victims of dangerous hate crimes. Last week, the Islamic Center of North Florida was rocked by an explosion, and police suspect that a pipe bomb was responsible. The Islamic Center is located in Jacksonville, Florida, and is attended by Muslim Human Rights Commission member Parvez Ahmed, who recently faced hateful remarks from a city councilman and area residents over his faith. Noting the lack of media coverage of the attack relative to the failed car bombing in Times Square, Matthew Yglesias observed, “Somehow this attack, despite its greater technical sophistication, hasn’t obtained nearly the same level of media attention. And I just can’t figure out why."

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/05/26/muslim-americans-right-worship/



Okay, this was news to me... and it seems the only coverage it got was in local papers. Pathetic.

Where is the media??
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Terra Alta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 12:47 AM
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16. If Muslims aren't allowed to build mosques
then other religions should not be allowed to build their places of worship, either. Isn't that only fair?

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 12:48 AM
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17. We're going through a very thick patch of ugly in this country right now.
:kick:
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 12:06 PM
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21. You've got that right.
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:01 AM
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18. We had that sort of controversy here in Sheboygan county.
A guy bought an empty health-food store in the Town of Wilson and wanted to convert it to a mosque.

An Oostburg preacher pushed all the hysterics, even bringing in one of those professional Islam-bashers, Brigette Gabriel.

At a town meeting where the mosque was approved, the anti-Islam haters were out in force.
One woman had a sign that she held up up saying, "No Jesus, Know Jihad."

These clowns are even bitching about the fact that in Islam, men and women are separated at worship.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 02:10 AM
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19. Well, not building one next to ground zero --
Somehow, I can get on board with that one. :shrug:

So shoot me! :hide:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 02:03 PM
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26. They've been near Ground Zero for a quarter century
"Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, a leader of the Cordoba Initiative, said he has been surprised by the vitriolic debate, since he has led his congregation ten blocks north of the World Trade Center for the past 27 years. His mosque lost several members on 9/11 and distributed bottled water to firefighters afterward.

Rauf said he plans to meet with the 9/11 family members who do not support the Cordoba House.

Rauf said emphatically that the center was “not a mosque. Though it will contain space for up to 2,000 Muslims to pray, it will also host many athletic and cultural events, possibly including the Tribeca Film Festival, he said. The Cordoba House may also include a memorial to those killed on 9/11.

“We want to rebuild this community,” Rauf said. “This is about the vast majority of moderate Muslims who want to be part of the solution.”"

Read more:
http://dnainfo.com/20100520/manhattan/politicians-rally-against-tea-party-bashing-of-world-trade-center-mosque#ixzz0p5qQ2O9l

This was posted by tammywammy yesterday in a related thread:

On Joy Behar, whack job Pam Geller spouting off her opposition to a mosque
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8426169
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 04:50 PM
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38. Ah, so it's not only geeks. -nt
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 05:39 AM
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42. Why?
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 03:36 AM
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20. Radical conservatives = wacko religious militants
They would love to kill muslims if it was legal.
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:45 PM
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23. I lived next to a mosque for 15 years. Got to know the worshippers there.
Not one word denouncing infidels, not one firey speech. Not one call to violence, or sideways glance of hate toward me as a non-Muslim. Your insinuation that all mosques are hotbeds of hate and violent speech is just plain wrong.

So before you go dispensing a wish list about what religious community should have a right to build where, I refer you to the first amendment of the constitution and ask that you read it. For comprehension this time.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:54 PM
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24. There is nothing in the constitution
that allows for building religious institutions anywhere you like. It looks like the comprehension problem is yours.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 03:39 PM
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31. They didn't say there was...
So it looks like the comprehension problem is yrs.

Do you see anything at all wrong with the post that they were replying to and the way it stereotyped all of the religion?
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 03:53 PM
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33. Uh - post #23 - right above mine
and I quote

So before you go dispensing a wish list about what religious community should have a right to build where, I refer you to the first amendment of the constitution and ask that you read it. For comprehension this time.

I'm pretty sure you're not American - the first amendment referred to is from the constitution.
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 04:00 PM
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35. Looks like you're making shit up. Again.
I assumed that people would be smart enough to figure out "right to build" would mean the right to have equal access to that pursuit, meaning on par with any other religious institution. I never said that Muslims or any other group could plop a house of worship anywhere they please without going through the proper and legal procedure.

And I once again refer you to the 1st amendment of the constitution, where it says we have the freedom of religion. It does not have an asterisk that says "except for Muslims".
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 04:17 AM
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39. Right to build means just that
Edited on Fri May-28-10 04:19 AM by leftynyc
All the constitution provides only no government interference in practicing whatever religion you choose (or none at all). You claimed a constitional right (you're the one that referred to the first amendment) to build a house of worship. You were wrong and should just admit it and stop the rove-like attacks. The first amendment has absolutely nothing to do with this so you're either ignorant or "making shit up".
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Dems to Win Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:55 PM
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25. Given that I'm not the government, I can't violate anyone's 1st amendment rights.
Edited on Thu May-27-10 01:59 PM by Dems to Win
Maybe you should try comprehending the constitution.

I will use my free speech rights whenever I can to denounce those who denounce infidels.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 03:29 PM
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28. 'Why comprehend the constitution when a one-liner makes it sound like I win?'
(must be the thought process involved in the one to whom you are responding)
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 03:49 PM
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32. But yr 'denouncing' an entire religion...
And in most places I know of to smear an entire group of people is seen as bigotry. That's not being open-minded or ignoring anything. It's applying the same standards to what you said as if it had been said about any other group of people like Jews or gays. It's so clearly not true at all what you've said in yr earlier post...
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 04:01 PM
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36. You smeared an entire faith, not just those who scream about infidels.
Better think more, and choose your words more carefully.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 03:37 PM
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29. The congregation you're talking about has BEEN in the neighborhood...
for a quarter century. See Post #26.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 03:39 PM
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30. This is like being upset that an NAACP office being built next to a battered woman's shelter.
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