"Its as if the Three Stooges are running this operation"

[Stinky The Clown]

Dr. Michio Kaku on Olbermann, speaking of BP's efforts.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2008/03/28/KAKU_narrowweb__300x366,0.jpg

[LakeSamish706]

1. I think he was on to something there, cause right now it certainly seems like that. n/t

[JuniperLea]

2. Bullshit...

More like The Keystone Cops.



This is what happens when the world trusts "The Experts" to know what to do.

[jus_the_facts]

20. That's exactly what I was thinking! n/t

[Junkdrawer]

3. But, but, BP has all the expertise. They just HAVE to run the show...

Lord knows what we'll find when BP's fingers are pried from the steering wheel.

[sandnsea]

4. What's his plan to stop the spill? n/t

[William Z. Foster]

22. give that talking point a rest

People are not talking about stopping the leak, they are talking about management of the entire operation.

This argument - "unless you know how to stop the leak, you are not permitted to talk about the management of the operation" is clearly illogical and deceptive, and the fact that it gets repeated a hundred times an hour suggests that it is merely a talking point to confuse and mislead people. Obviously, the idea there is that only BP knows how to fix the leak, so therefore we should not question BP's managing of the operation.

[sandnsea]

24. No. It's a question.

If the guy has the answers, he should say so. I want to know what his answers are. To the spill. How many more people we need. Will the Costner machines work. Should we use berms in Louisiana or will they deflect the oil to Mississippi.

Asking for real answers is not a talking point. If he didn't have answers, what the hell is the point of putting him on the teevee?

[William Z. Foster]

28. no

One need not have technical answers in order to call for a political solution to a problem that affects public welfare. For example, one could call for a federal response to a disease outbreak without personally having a cure for the disease. Otherwise, none of us would ever have a voice on anything - we would always have to defer to the experts. There could be no self-government.

Here is why it is a talking point: the question of who should manage the operation and the question of who has a fix are two separate issues. To say that BP should manage it because they have a fix and the government should not manage it because it does not is a deceptive way to promote prioritization and to argue against a stronger role by the government. Applied broadly, government would never have a role and everything would be privatized. We are close to that state of affairs as it is. When even military operations and emergency response are privatized, it is far past the time to fight back against that trend.

BP's executives don't have a fix, either. Their employees do. Should the experts be answering to BP, or to the federal government? Should BP's interests - Wall Street and the shareholders - be served first, or should public needs be served first?

[sandnsea]

29. When a company produces a contaminated product

the government coordinates the protective response for the people, and monitors the company's remedies to the cause of the problem. That's the way it always works. Like with Toyota or Tylenol. Do you know J&J pulled 40 kids' medications this week? The FDA is investigating 775 reports. Where's the cry to nationalize either of them?

It's unfortunate that the spill isn't fixed. But that's the only legitimate complaint. There are thousands of people working, the biggest response to an oil spill ever. It's psychotic the way the media has portrayed the reponse, and even more psychotic that people who know that the media bends over backwards to destroy Democrats, would believe a word they say.

If the brilliant physicist has a solution to anything, he should haul his ass down to the gulf. I'm sure he could get into the Coast Guard Command and tell them all how to do their job.

[G_j]

36. do you live there? nt

[sandnsea]

37. I live on a coast that banned drilling

We're taking more precaution with wave energy than they take with these wells.

I am furious about this oil. I am angry at stupid damn Democrats in southern states who beat the hell out of environmentalists for fighting for protections, and then turn right around and beat the hell out of the same people for not responding appropriately. And who will suck right back up to oil execs in 6 months right along with the gulf coast constituents who are screaming at Obama today.

Stop screaming at Obama and scream at the people who need to change. How about that? Because in the end, they're the ones who helped put up the roadblocks that allowed MMS and the oil companies to avoid all these regulations in the first place.

[G_j]

42. I didn't read anything about Obama

OP:

"Its as if the Three Stooges are running this operation"
Dr. Michio Kaku on Olbermann, speaking of BP's efforts.

[sandnsea]

43. It's a cooperative effort

You can't criticize the BP response without criticizing the govt response, and vice versa. You can say BP lies and that would certainly be the truth. But notice how even the brilliant physicist won't go near that reality.

[Surya Gayatri]

52. Sandnsea, your post deserves its own thread, if only

for this single paragraph:
"I am furious about this oil. I am angry at stupid damn Democrats in southern states who beat the hell out of environmentalists for fighting for protections, and then turn right around and beat the hell out of the same people for not responding appropriately. And who will suck right back up to oil execs in 6 months right along with the gulf coast constituents who are screaming at Obama today."
What makes this trajedy so depressing isn't just the poisonous crap spewing from the hole in the ocean floor, but the rampant hypocrisy spewing from so many political pie-holes. SG

[Feron]

5. More like Spaceballs.

[Fearless]

34. Well... we are surrounded by assholes... that's for sure...

[Barack_America]

6. The Three Stooges should be offended by that statement. nt

[Individualist]

9. +1

[Raine]

19. Yeah let's not insult the stooges

they could do better.

[HughMoran]

7. Kaku had a lot more interesting commentary than that

oh, well, I guess the least technical statement from a genius is what sells :eyes:

[Stinky The Clown]

10. You ever see when a guy leaves the men's room and has toilet paper stuck to his heel?

That's like my night tonight with a certain fan playing the roll (pun intended) of the toilet paper.

Everywhere I go and I can't shake him off.

[HughMoran]

15. Just your lucky night I guess

Perhaps a little substance (fiber?) would minimize these bathroom visits? :D

[sandnsea]

26. I'd like to know the interesting commentary

I think the teabaggers provide us with quite enough of the sloganeering.

[JuniperLea]

8. The real pisser is...

They are the experts. The greedy oil company begged to be believed... they pulled the wool over America's eyes, and Bush/Cheney helped. They knew damn well that a leak like this was possible, and that they didn't know how to stop it. This is the truth. If it weren't, there would be no gusher in the gulf right now.

I am starting to really get pissed at guys like this Dr. Michio Kaku... what are his qualifications to judge? Does he know how to fix this mess? Has he contacted anyone in DC, or with BP to offer assistance? Or is this more McCain-ish "I know howta, but I ain't sayin'" BS?

[Robeson]

11. Who is Dr. Michio Kaku?....

...

Kaku is the author of several doctoral textbooks on string theory and quantum field theory and has published 170 articles in journals covering topics such as superstring theory, supergravity, supersymmetry, and hadronic physics. He is also author of the popular science books: Visions, Hyperspace, Einstein's Cosmos, and Parallel Worlds, and co-authored Beyond Einstein with Jennifer Thompson. Hyperspace was a best-seller and was voted one of the best science books of the year by both the New York Times<3> and the Washington Post. Parallel Worlds was a finalist for the Samuel Johnson Prize for non-fiction in the UK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michio_Kaku

Whether he actually offered a strategy? I have no idea. I would certainly ask him to put pencil-to-paper and see if he could come up with one.

And McCain, couldn't carry his note-pad.

[JuniperLea]

14. I don't see how that makes him an offshore oil well disaster expert. eom

[Robeson]

16. I feel confident, Obama wouldn't share your opinion.

[RandomThoughts]

12. I keep getting the feeling that some think

The part trying to correct corruption is the same as corruption.

It is true that some of corruption problems come from its own corruption. But it seems like some think the problem is those trying to help make things better in life.

And many of them are in comedy, because that is one of the lowest anxiety ways of expressing thought, or that is how I think on it.

Not sure about BP the oil company, not sure what that is all about, thinking and feeling more on some of the system issues that have not been helping people in society.

And although I don't think I ever saw a three stooges movie, I think adding much joy to peoples lives was probably a good thing, while trying to share joy in the ways they know.


However if someone mentions the three stooges, I think of the harp.

A Harp song or two
Amazing Grace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIDR-Gz0xjs

Swing Low Sweet Chariot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09hCrkX5QIY


But it might depend how do you see it. Because I don't play the game, and because some do, what might it mean? and do you think like that?

[slackmaster]

13. He's Japanese, so he must be smarter than everybody else

It's a cheap shot by someone who is pimping his books.

[HughMoran]

27. Have you read his books?

I have.

Not only is he smarter than 99.999% of everybody else, he can explain string theory and the origins of the universe in layman's terms better than anybody I know.

[sandnsea]

30. So what's his plan?

What does he think he can contribute to resolving this disaster?

[GreenPartyVoter]

31. That's why I love watching his tv shows with my kids. He really can explain the most complex things

in a way that makes them understandable to everyone.

[slackmaster]

38. No, but I know a guy who's in prison who can explain string theory

He doesn't know jack shit about petroleum engineering.

[bdamomma]

17. if anyone is watching rachel she said

12,000 barrels a day are being spewed into the gulf crap they should use the CEOs to plug up the hole, what we are doing to our environment makes me what to do this :puke:

[rug]

18. He's right.

[G_j]

21. you found it!

that is the picture that came to mind..

[neverforget]

35. "I'm trying to think but nothing happens" Curly

http://www.entertonement.com/clips/pbqrsvclsj--I%27m-trying-to-think-but-nothing-happensThe-Three-Stooges-Curly-Howard-

[limit18]

23. Blind leading the blind.

[ShortnFiery]

25. I heard that: An excellent statement. eom

[William Z. Foster]

32. interesting thread here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8434270

That "government information site" people are prompting as a rebuttal to the critics of the response to the disaster? Even THAT has been privatized.

So the message machine cranking out the information used to deny that this is a privatized operation is itself privatized.

[Duer 157099]

33. I've been a fan of Kaku's for many many years

but he said something tonight to Keith that was just wrong. I can't recall what it was but when I heard it my jaw dropped because it was so clearly not true.

I'll have to rewatch KO later tonight to see what it was. In the meantime, does anyone know what I'm talking about?

[RandomThoughts]

41. That last comment of yours makes me chuckle.

It is theoretically possible that people do not know what I am talking about either. Although I think my text is pretty clear. I think it is also possible people see things in different contexts, or maybe backwards for reasons of maintaining a personal thought. Or even filters or lack of thoughts of causation by choice of action. So from that it would explain why I have not seen secondary effects in personal life that should have occurred. Although I have seen effects in reports on news and Internet.

Not sure how to work through that. But the concept of people not knowing what I am talking about is something I think on also. Although I find it more funny, and a bit sad, since with all humility and no self claim, it leans more to fate then correction.

[Duer 157099]

44. That's so existential

but really, I was asking if anyone else heard the comment by Kaku that was just false, whatever it was.

As far as the other, most of the time I just assume that nobody knows what the hell I'm talking about, as I can be that way in my posts.

:hi:

[RandomThoughts]

45. I have not seen that in your post.

Although heh, it seems I can see many things, can even see some bad things. Like that zodiac letter. really bad and a claim that is terrible. Hate emergency room more then backwards love of soldier servant... A really bad claim and really evil stuff. But I don't look for that stuff.

Not going to think on that stuff to sad, also it is backwards and from dark side in my view

Although your posts make sense and seem to be pretty normal. Mostly good, some bad, like everyone elses post including mine.

I like finding the good stuff in posts, there are many good posts, and songs, and stories that in my view honor the love of God, and in that honor God, so when thinking on existential stuff that is the stuff I try to find in things. Find something of joy and love, there is so much of it.

[Duer 157099]

46. That's because we both tend to post random thoughts

:D

As for the zodiac thing, it's the puzzle aspect that intrigues me, has for years. I can't stand unsolved puzzles! heh

[RandomThoughts]

47. I understand the puzzle aspect, I like to find the better puzzles if that is what you call them.

I don't think of them as puzzles though, just different types of thought, and like to stay in the good thoughts. Although the reason is because I am flawed like everyone else, so not saying I am better, just that is more the dirrection I like to think on.

[Duer 157099]

50. And you are probably a much healthier person for it!

No doubt you know of the verse in ... well, somewhere about "whatever is good (etc) think on those things"

[Swamp Rat]

39. dupe

[Swamp Rat]

40. Well, it appeared to me that most of the BP Stooges did not show up to work today.

I just got back from Venice, LA., but did not see much activity.

The marinas were mostly full of boats.

All helos but one on the ground.

There was hardly anyone down there working except a few folks coming and going from the Conoco plant, Halliburton and BP blds.

I could not go to the very end of Coast Guard Rd., where BP is set up because it was blocked by the Coast Guard.

Instead, I went around south onto Venice Boat Harbor Dr., and looked north to Cypress Cove Rd., but not see any activity.

Where's the damn cavalry?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

48. You need to watch this Swampy

Dylan Ratigan show... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDGAoU1H2gM

Others are pissed at the lack of action as well.

[Swamp Rat]

54. Thank you

see my pix in the post below

[Robeson]

51. My brother pretty much said the same thing. He said it was like a David Lean movie....

...just open landscapes, absent of people.

[Swamp Rat]

53. Some photos from my trip

Thanks again very much for the thread the other day. It lifted my spirits a lot. :hug:














Btw, every time I see your screen name I think of Paul Robeson, one of America's greatest singers and... well, Americans.

[moondust]

49. Somewhat self-contradictory.

He starts out by saying that this is a whole new science experiment that nobody has ever done before but then he ridicules the "experimenters" for what, looking like amateurs?