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cory777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 07:44 PM
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Detecting a crime before it happens
Source: LA Times


If Bob Burns is correct, terrorists may betray themselves someday by jiggling on a Nintendo Wii balance board, blinking too fast, curling a lip like Elvis — or doing nothing at all.

Burns and his team of scientists are researching whether video game boards, biometric sensors and other high-tech devices can be used to detect distinct nonverbal cues from people who harbor "mal-intent," or malicious intent.

Burns and his team of scientists are researching whether video game boards, biometric sensors and other high-tech devices can be used to detect distinct nonverbal cues from people who harbor "mal-intent," or malicious intent.

"We're looking pre-event," said Burns, the No. 2 at the Homeland Security Advanced Research Project Agency, a counterpart of the fabled Pentagon agency that developed Stealth aircraft and the Internet.

Read more: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-pre-terror-20100528,0,7900079.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+latimes%2Fnews%2Fnationworld%2Fnation+%28L.A.+Times+-+National+News%29
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 07:46 PM
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1. People will be treated like terrorists for being nervous. NT
NT
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:41 PM
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11. You make a good point.
There is a comment some people in law enforcement make, if a person gets nervous he must have done something wrong.

That assumes the person thinks the system is just, if you have seen grievous injustice, then when someone that claims authority says something some people could get nervous.

I learned that years ago, although I also gave as good as I got, I do know some people that are police think they know more then they do. However most police are mostly good people, but there can be a slide to authoritarianism from the power, and that can be a dangerous place to be.

So a person being nervous, might not because they are guilty, but because the system is.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 07:51 PM
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2. I suggest a combined effort
Graphology, cold reading, AND remote viewing. Then you can cure them of their mal-intent homeopathically.
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 07:54 PM
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3. Don't forget phrenology
especially if the bumps on the person's skull are covered by brown skin

:sarcasm:
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 07:54 PM
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4. Meanwhile, real scientific challenges go without money... while these idiots waste untold funding
Edited on Thu May-27-10 07:55 PM by liberation
I would also appreciate if psychologists were to stop using the term "scientist" to refer to themselves already.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 07:54 PM
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5. Short of a "Minority Report" scenario, I don't see how this can be done legally
There will be many many, false reports and ensuing lawsuits.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 07:58 PM
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6. I predict a dismal failure
This is modern day Phrenology
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 07:59 PM
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7. will they hire Tom Cruise for this
pre-event?

how about hiring psychics as well

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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:01 PM
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8. This is not going to turn out well.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:29 PM
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9. Phil Dick was a precog. DARPA guys are riding the short bus to the future.
Way behind the curve there, Burns. Bugger can't even figure out why people are angry, much less when they'll act on it.
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Feron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:37 PM
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10. I'm autistic...
I have no doubt that I'd set off an alarm simply being myself.

This sounds like a money waster anyway.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:48 PM
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12. That also can be done by data collection.
And used for social control not justice, if someone does not conform to advertisements or media spin, then they could be an advocate for justice and equality, so it is possible for many things to be done to them before they reach a point where they are able to do those things.

Another reason that data collection can be bad.

If you don't use credit cards, or buy silly stuff that is part of a media push, you show some thought, and might be someone to have a bad event to happen to that way you can't enter politics, or they can try and remove economic or social movement by smear.

But most of that is just to scare other people, but anyway, it is a dangerous area of research and actually has a reverse effect of creating far more potent advocates for justice as bad shows itself with unjust actions and lack of caring.

If it was done for society then it could be open and part of a civilian review, if done in secret it would be for the benefit of who holds the data.



And stealth aircraft is simple tech, just get something that lets some percent of radio through, and make layers, then the signals bounce back and forth between the layers. Each bounce absorbing some of the radio. Although some shaping is required also.
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tech9413 Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 09:21 PM
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13. One step closer to enforcing thought crime
It'll be about as effective as pissing on a forest fire and cost us a bundle. Forget about all those poor unfortunates who have a nervous tick or are emotionally frazzled but still under control. Who gives a shit about those few people we put through hell, I mean we gotta stay safe right?
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