PETA protest in England

[underpants]

Lucy Clarkson, Victoria Eisermann
Supporters of PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, former Lara Croft model, Lucy Clarkson, left, and PETA Europe's sexiest Vegetarian and model, Victoria Eisermann wearing painted-on Queen's Guards uniforms and faux-fur caps demonstrate on Westminster Bridge in London against the use of real bearskins in the Queen's Guards ceremonial cap, Monday, May 24, 2010

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Most-Viewed-Photos-Lucy-Clarkson/ss/1778/im:/100524/481/urn_publicid_ap_org_a925e8e5e07249999ad01c643c791635/

[Lisa0825]

1. Of course boobs are involved... as usual.

:eyes:

[HughMoran]

2. I like the last couple of PETA protests posted here

The packaged 'meat' one was nice too ;)

Is this a new and improved PETA?

[Lisa0825]

3. No, same old sexist bullshit. nt

[HughMoran]

4. guess I wasn't paying attention previously

They know what gets attention - I can see women finding it offensive though.

[Lisa0825]

5. If it was occasional, I wouldn't mind.... but it seems like it is all they are capable of anymore.nt

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6. Thing is, how does being offended by this not demean the free will and intelligence of the women

who choose to showcase themselves in such a way?

[Lisa0825]

7. Gimme a f'ing break.

:eyes:

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9. Um...give me a f'ing answer...?

:shrug:

[Ignis]

20. Sorry, you're obviously "an idiot" if you don't "get it."

It would be amusing if any of these PETA-haters actually visited one of PETA's offices, where the female-to-male ratio is rarely less than 2:1, and usually around 4:1.

But facts often get in the way of a good screed, so I'm not holding my breath. :D

[flvegan]

22. I used to know one of their campaign coordinators

and she used to tell me about the sheer number of women that asked to do these campaigns. She was like, "well, we've got 15 in Seattle, 50 in Miami..."

[Lisa0825]

23. Yeah, and a lot of women work at strip bars too..... your point is....? nt

[Ignis]

25. ...And many women are sex workers, too. Are they all dumb?

If so, perhaps you should fly to Amsterdam and tell them so. :shrug:

[Lisa0825]

26. Just participants in their own exploitation.

I have a friend who is a victim advocate for the justice system.... huge case load of sex workers.

[Ignis]

32. So every single sex worker, stripper, and model is exploited?

Every single one? Worldwide?

[seabeyond]

8. i found out after last peta thread of naked gals, peta hooked up with playboy. soft porn

for the protection of animals.

http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/PETA/peta.html

explotation of women to stop the explotation of animals.

[Lisa0825]

10. Exactly. Anyone who doesn't get that is just an idiot. 2 wrongs don't make a right...

even if three lefts do.

[Ignis]

18. Riiiiiiight. It's horribly sexist...but the first few times don't count?

It's a real shame someone tricked those poor, stupid women into volunteering for this campaign.

They're obviously not smart enough to have made the decision on their own.

:eyes:

[Lisa0825]

19. My point is that I am not a "black and white" thinker...

I don't write off someone or an org because one or a few things annoy me. But with PETA, it seems the only thing they understand how to use is objectification of women. They have become, pardon my use of an animal, a one trick pony.

[Ignis]

24. A glance at PETA's current campaigns disproves that.

PETA appears to be involved in a wide variety of campaigns, many (perhaps most, but I'm not fussed enough to crunch the numbers) of which appear to avoid the use of naked or semi-clad models.

Granted, the "Rather Go Naked" campaign focuses on people/models choosing to go naked rather than to wear fur--as is the case in the current UK protest--but that's merely one of their many campaigns, and many of the other campaigns are so well-clothed that Auntie Puritan would approve.

http://www.peta.org/actioncenter/
http://www.peta.org/mc/index.asp

So hate PETA all you want, but let's not make stuff up, eh? :)

[Lisa0825]

27. They use sex (women primarily) constantly. No pass. nt

[Ignis]

30. Does "constantly" mean "under 50% of the time" in your language?

Because it sure doesn't mean that in English. :shrug:

But hey, don't bother to look at the data. It might disprove your strongly held beliefs!

[Onceuponalife]

52. Calling someone an idiot when you lose a debate sounds like

black and white thinking to me.

[Vogon_Glory]

11. PETA's Anti-Fishing Protest

Some of PETA's South Florida membership were busily protesting commercial and sport fishing in South Florida. It looks like BP's Gulf Coast fish-kill oil spill did more to clobber both forms of fishing than PETA's protests did.

[provis99]

12. what, they're not nekkid this time? Then I'm not interested.

Public nudity is more important to PETA than saving some silly animals.

[flvegan]

13. Might need this...

PETA thread and all, what with the DU being how it is.

[seabeyond]

14. " with the DU being how it is".... and peta being what they are.... nt

[flvegan]

15. What?

PETA is an animal rights organization, and DU has a lot of terribly defensive omnivores willing to take anything PETA does and turning it into "Unga bunga, me like bacon...gonna have steak...Hitler was a vegetarian" idiocy. I like to keep it covered.

[seabeyond]

17. i am a tit for tat kinda gal. want respect, i gotta get it in return

i would never make a comment like that to a vegetarian or an org that protects animals. crass. and disrespectful. but it goes both ways for me.

these are a few comments from men with the package meat campaign

http://sherryleeshort.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/peta-poo/

Male comments on the photo included:

I’d eat that.

ill take two of those… im hungry for a douible girl burger.

Man, what a ripoff. If I’m going to pay like 7 bucks a pound for my human meat,
it’d better at least be cleaned first.

You forgot to cut the head off.

She looks yummy, maybe a teriyaki marinade…




at the expense of women. how is this any better than

"Unga bunga, me like bacon...gonna have steak...Hitler was a vegetarian"

[flvegan]

21. Your boycott list must be like, ten miles long.

And you can't possibly own a tv. Or go to the movies. And the outrage at the grocery due to the cover of Muscle & Fitness must be just epic.

Well, good on you for being consistent.

[FreeState]

16. +1

[petronius]

28. Doing a bit of googling (for research*), and while I like the pic in the OP

this one is a close second:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com.nyud.net:8090/2011/2367796155_a3a8cc5c76.jpg

From a different protest, a few years ago.

* Yes, research. That's what I call it.

[Lisa0825]

31. I like that one much better, thanks!

But it probably didn't get them much publicity because it wasn't controversial enough.

[Lisa0825]

29. FWIW, would you give a pass to a beer company or any other kind of comapny that

constantly objectified women? Or do they only get a pass because they are for animal rights????

[Ignis]

33. Do you not watch television?

A beer commercial in which women are objectified for no other purpose than to sell beer?! I'm sure we've never, ever seen that.

:eyes:

Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

[Lisa0825]

34. NO SHIT! And they annoy me too! that is my fucking point!

I don't give THEM a pass, so why would I give PETA a pass?

IMO, PETA should know better since they are supposedly a leftist org.

[Ignis]

35. Some might say it's because PETA is making a larger point...

Not just using T&A to sell beer.

But it's amazing that the word "beer" doesn't receive the same knee-jerk response around here that the word "PETA" does. Gosh, I wonder why that is.

[Lisa0825]

37. Sorry, but I just don't agree that it is OK for them because of their grand motivation....

and I say that as an animal rescue volunteer myself. It doesn't excuse their disrespect of women TO ME. You may disagree, and that is just fine.... that's the beauty of DU.

[Ignis]

48. Sure, we can agree to disagree, but facts still matter.

Again, I you should hate PETA all you want, but do some research on the % of their campaigns that involve nudity before you assume that that's ALL they do.

:hi:

[Llewlladdwr]

50. 'Cause people like beer?

Let's face it, beer doesn't get in your face and make value judgements about your diet.

Beer doesn't bitch at you if your shoes are made of the 'wrong' kind of material.

And beer is happy to show you pictures of near naked women just like PETA is.

Why wouldn't beer get a better reception than PETA?

[Ignis]

51. Hey, I'm not the one that made the "all beer ads are sexist" argument.

But if you think that a multinational, multibillion-dollar beer company is somehow more deserving of a free pass on sexism than PETA is, I disagree.

[LeftyMom]

36. Personally, I see a distinction between street-level activism and commercial advertising.

:shrug:

Also, I find it really funny that nobody's complaining about using female bodies in activism on the Code Pink naked BP protest thread, also on the front page of GD.

[Lisa0825]

39. I missed that...

and while (keeping in mind I haven't seen it yet) I would probably not like that campaign either... it has also not been the general track record of Code Pink, whereas I see frequent use of that tactic by PETA. As I said up-thread, I don't write anyone off for annoying or offending me once, but when it is a typical tactic, I do.

[LeftyMom]

44. Google comes back with "about 45,900" results searching for 'Code Pink naked protest' fwiw.

[flvegan]

40. Oh, shit! That's going to leave a mark.

Matter of fact, chalk this up as a turning point in the "I hate PETA/animal rights for using women" stupidity here. It would seem that some only rage against *some* machines.

[LeftyMom]

41. The funny thing is, that argument is itself sexist and paternalistic.

Instead of accepting that grown women can make an informed decision to use their bodies to get media attention at almost zero cost (and do for many different kinds of activism, ranging from pro-breastfeeding "nurse-ins" to the topless, body-painted anti-sweatshop protest I saw outside a Gap once) the assumption is that these grown, presumably capable women are being exploited. It's paternalistic bullshit, and really at it's core it's anti-woman, because it assumes any women who engages in activism the critic does not approve of is incapable of making an informed decision and is being victimized.

[flvegan]

42. And with that...

:popcorn:

[LeftyMom]

43. What did you put on there?

I like the chipotle whatever parma myself. Plus it's reasonably healthy since it's just nooch, walnuts, sea salt and peppers.

[flvegan]

45. The bacon-free Hickory Bacon Salt you sent me, naturally

[LeftyMom]

46. I only like that particular combo when I'm loaded.

[Ignis]

49. Mmm, drunk vegan junk food choices FTW!

Mine usually involve trying to make dirty vegan chili fries. Is that wrong?

[aikoaiko]

38. This protest moves me.

;)

[Lucian]

47. I've never seen a PETA = sexist thread before.

I guess there's a first time for everything...

:eyes: