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onpatrol98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 10:39 PM
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Mexico's Calderon thanks RCMP
Mexico's Calderon thanks RCMP
Harper hails Mexican leader's 'courage' in fighting drug cartels

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/05/27/calderon-mexico-visit.html#ixzz0pBxDq3dW

Mexican President Felipe Calderon has thanked the RCMP for its help in fighting drug violence in his country, saying it is a necessary battle as Mexico transforms itself into a modern nation.

In his address to the House of Commons in Ottawa on Thursday, Calderon said he believes progress and sustainable human development "can only be brought about in a country of laws," which is why he has deployed the "full force of the state" to meet the threat of organized crime.

"One of the most important transformations is the effort to uphold the rule of law in Mexico," Calderon told the House.

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In his speech at a joint news conference with Harper following a private midday meeting, Calderon again urged the Canadian government to overturn strict visa requirements it imposed on Mexico last year to slow the flow of refugees.


Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/05/27/calderon-mexico-visit.html#ixzz0pBxOB9uF
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 10:48 PM
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1. What a crock of shit by this man... From the Presidente that stole an election no less.
If this guy truly gave a crap about his country, he would get behind his people to bring up the standard of living. He is a Conservative, which tells it all.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 11:42 PM
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9. Yep.
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 11:06 PM
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2. The RHCP
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onpatrol98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 11:07 PM
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3. Money as an imported product
I never really thought about it much, but now I'm beginning to believe that Mexico's biggest export, really is its poor people and it's biggest import is monies from other countries. It's a strange situation. In a sense, his country benefits from this strange relationship.

What if a country really could close its eyes as its poor people escaped to other countries meaning 1) you'll never have to worry about a revolution from them; 2) you'll never have to provide for them; and 3) they'll always return money to your country that can be used to buy what few products are being produced there by remaining family members who haven't been able to escape yet.

I believe the Mexican government has some kind of strange racket going on...
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 11:14 PM
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4. Mexico is a very rich country in terms of what it Produces/exports and also it's Tourist trade.
Edited on Thu May-27-10 11:15 PM by LakeSamish706
The rich rule Mexico and the poor have allowed them to take over. This could very well happen to both Canada and the US if the middle class allows it to happen.
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onpatrol98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 11:23 PM
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5. Interesting...
How do the rich stay rich? Don't they need a labor force or something? How did they get rich?

And, where do Americans go when the rich finish off with America? What options do the middle class really have? We vote. Our politicians ignore us once they get to Washington. Sure, they'll throw us a bone from time to time. But, on those issues that would really transform the working class and expand wealth...really no political party is doing that.

Is America guilty of helping the elites of Mexico remain rich at the expense of its people.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 11:26 PM
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6. I don't think the poor exactly let them take over.
There have been protests and violent ones in the recent past, but the poor just have been smashed into the ground and overwhelmed.
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onpatrol98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 11:28 PM
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7. ahhhhhhhh
that's a horrible thought...what role does the Mexican president play in this situation?

Innocent bystander, active participant???
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 11:31 PM
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8. Beholden to the rich families and business interests who keep him in power. n/t
Edited on Thu May-27-10 11:32 PM by Cleita
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 11:56 PM
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10. I could recommend a few history books
but that I suspect will not work

So here is the cliff's notes of Mexican History.

1521 The Aztec capital of Tenochtitlan falls to one Hernando Cortez, starting the Colonial period. Throughout this period a tradition emerged (in parallel to the US) of both slavery, white and otherwise, as well as criollo (born in the new world) bashing.

1810 That criollo class, like our founding fathers, have had it. The same forces in-fact, the Enlightenment, are at play. The country essentially goes into a very violent war... and by 1821 Mexico, or Mejico, becomes an independent country. Some, many of the old families have left, just like they did in the US, but others have returned, and have gone to business. They kept the peasant poor under and in control since just like the US we have a few problems with skin color. That said Mexico makes slavery illegal.

Ok the next fifty years are a slew of conservative-liberal in-fighting which is taken advantage by the US to get control of Texas. No, those boys did not just do that because of what Mexico was or was not offering them. The war between the two countries is complex and a web post hardly will cover it.

By 1860 we have a french invasion, and five years of fighting the french. Any coincidences with the US Civil War are not. Suffice it to say the ONLY president of Indian blood elected in Mexican history served at this time...

Now more civil wars came, and by 1880 Porfirio Diaz took over. Lets ignore the four years he was not power, suffice it to say that between 1880 and 1910 he had power, and he used the Rurales to keep peace in the country side. Any similarities to the modern Mexican Army doing the same in Juarez are not coincidental, nor is the glory filled history books of Diaz these days.

1910-21 another civil war\revolution... in the end the new winners have been very busy in building a new power elite, and the PRI kept power for 70 years.

Now how do they do this? Nobody is going to lie to you. While people like to believe this does not go on in the US, (and it does in rural areas) the police is used by the elite to keep any and all uprisings from spreading

Mexico has had one major student revolt (1968) Two major country side revolts, (Guerrero 1970s, and the Zapatista Movement) and many worker uprisings in the last fifty years. They all have been met with force, and while the Zapatistas have essentially kept an area of the country for themselves, it is just a matter of time.

By the way. I quite on purpose did not cover major areas. This is after all a highlight of this.

The simple answer, how does Mexico do it? The same way every other government does. Yes, that includes ours. Just that the last major revolt... I doubt too many people are still alive. We know it as the Harlan County Coal Wars, and don't feel bad if you got no clue what I am talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlan_County_War
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onpatrol98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 07:54 AM
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11. Mexico versus America
So, is Mexico, America 200 years from now?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 01:48 PM
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12. No, we are very much like them
It is just not that obvious, but it is becoming increasingly obvious.

Quick who is the richest man in the world? One Mr. Slimm, a Mexican Citizen.

Quick how much actual income does the power elite in THIS country make vis a vis the rest of the country? 50% of ALL income in the US is in the bands of the top 1%... the other 50% is divided amongst oh 300 million...

What do you think OUR system will do when people get angry enough and take to the streets in more than just a demonstration or two? You know what will happen\ has happened, when a group of people actually challenges the social order? If you say armed response... you got the answer.
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onpatrol98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 02:46 PM
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13. All of this really does seem the case...a very depressing case.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 02:52 PM
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14. Yep it does
and in spite of the risks at hand I always tell people, realize that change only comes at the cost of actual blood.

It will take people getting killed. That will not happen until people feel they have no choice though.
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