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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 09:54 PM
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Why aren't people uniting to take over duty from BP spraying chemical dispersants in the gulf?
Edited on Fri May-28-10 09:55 PM by lonestarnot
Where is everybody? Where do the planes take off from? Stop them from taking off. Tie yourselves to the fucking landing gear. I thought they had been haulted. Apparently they haven't been? :shrug:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 09:56 PM
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1. Where are our illustrious representatives? Contact them and if they don't act ...
vote them out in their next primary.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Until we get representatives who care for PEOPLE more than the profit margins of the large corporations.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 09:57 PM
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2. Nope! Calls for guts and glory action in peaceful nonviolent civil disobedience. Get arrested so
fucking what!
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 10:09 PM
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6. Wow! Excuse me if that is not my first inclination?
:shrug:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 10:16 PM
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10. Something tells me that would never be one of your inclinations.
:shrug:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 11:27 PM
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24. Then you'd be wrong.
I've protested/marched against the Iraq war in D.C. both before and during the occupation.

Thanks for asking.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 09:58 PM
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3. Huh? What are you doing?
From a few days ago...

Gulf oil spill: BP ordered to dramatically scale back use of dispersants

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2010/05/gulf-oil-spill--1.html
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 10:02 PM
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4. Scale back? WTF does that mean. Means they're still spraying that shit to me.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 10:05 PM
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5. OK, so what are YOU doing about it while seeking the people to
stand up and fight-fight-fight?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 10:09 PM
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7. I'm in Arizona, thinking of moving there and ways to raise money to support a clean-up effort. What
Edited on Fri May-28-10 10:10 PM by lonestarnot
are YOU doing?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 10:11 PM
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8. Trying to keep my head above water literally and figuratively.
Trying to find a job. Sorry, that's the best I can do at the moment.

:hi: But I like your flame. I'm keeping mine, too.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 10:15 PM
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9. DU could donate a pot toward bail money if they were so inclined.
I give a weeks lunch money toward that end. :)
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 10:19 PM
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11. I think some people are torn between how damaging the dispersants may be and how damaging
it would be if the oil hit more land. It seems like that is some of the trade-off and some people when faced with terrible options might prefer the oil stay off the beaches, marshes, wetlands, etc. It has already hit some but by no means has it even approached how horrible it could be if that entire spill was heading toward land.

I'm sure you wont like that answer but I do think people view it as a trade off. Everyone would prefer neither happen.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 10:24 PM
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12. The oil is far less damaging to everything without the dispersants.
It doesn't penetrate EVERYTHING without them.

All the dispersants do is make it look better for BP and easier for the oil to be absorbed.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 10:26 PM
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13. It's like everyone is in a coma. Unreal. n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 10:29 PM
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14. It is really part of shock. I am forcing myself to recover so I can think.
:hug:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 11:28 PM
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25. I think that's right. It's shock.
:hug:
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 11:24 PM
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23. good observation
Clearly BP was not prepared for this, and is now scrambling to protect their investors first and foremost.

After decades of corruption, politicization and reduced funding, as well as de-regulation and privatization of various kinds and in all of its guises, the government is not prepared to respond and can no longer protect the public welfare.

The current administration seems to have been caught off guard - they have said as much. They have tried to work with government structure and corporate power, and the relationship between the two, as it is, have tried to appeal to the corporations and the political opposition to compromise and work together. This has failed utterly.

And the people right here seem unable to think clearly about this and are running around repeating various confusing and outright deceptive things that are being repeated by the mass media that are mostly coming from BP and their public relations effort.

We can establish the "chain of custody" here for the lies and deception, the concepts and ideas that are destroying us from within. Wall Street and the wealthy few > corporations > think tanks > government > media > pundits > all of us > the general public.

And everyone seems to be surprised, caught off guard. What did people think would happen when we allowed corporations to buy the government? What did we think would happen when we allowed corporations to control the news media? What did we think would happen when we triangulated and tried to compromise with the Republicans? What did we think would happen when we retreated to the activism of self-expression, when we sought personal individual lifestyle solutions to tackle monstrous opponents on public issues? What did we think would happen when we all embraced the foundational ideas of libertarianism and "free market" hegemony by Wall Street over every aspect of our lives?

What did people think would happen? And why now are people unable to see what happens and how we got here? Why are people repeating corporate propaganda, cheering and defending the government when they do the bidding of corporations, attacking critics and dissenters, and trying to distract people from the plain, obvious and horrible truth?

BP cannot, will not, act in the public interest. They are bound to answer to and only to Wall Street. The government cannot do anything about that. Everything has been de-regulated, de-funded, undermined, sabotaged, corrupted, privatized. The Democrats cannot change the government, they have tried to play "me too" with the right wing agenda, they are beholden to the same corporate power, and have embraced the same libertarian ideas. We cannot effectively pressure the Democrats, because we think that would be "disloyal" and "help Palin," and that somehow our loyalty to party politicians will turn this all around in some mysterious way. The dissenters and critics from the political left cannot persuade any of us here, because they are being attacked, marginalized and ridiculed at every turn and can gain no quiet serious audience. People are being driven by fear to run from them, to shut them out.

Here is how we turn it around:

- Start listening to the left wing critics, who have now been proven right about everything.

- That will influence the general group here, and elsewhere as people start actually listening to what people have been saying, re-think their assumptions, stop slavishly parroting the mass media and the politicians, and then carry the message.

- That will strengthen and embolden everyday Democrats everywhere, and bring more people over. People will regain the courage and clarity they now lack, and will start speaking out more, will start standing up, will start organizing, will start fighting back.

- That will move the public, who then can join the movement and we will be able to pressure - threaten - the politicians.

- That will move the politicians to take on the corporate monster.Or, if nnot, we will push them out of the way and do the job ourselves.

We have an out-of-control gusher, that is for sure - a gusher of right wing talking points and destructive anti-social propaganda that is flowing from the corporations to the media and then to the public and then to the Democratic politicians and then to to us, and then it is used to hammer and hammer and hammer on the left wing critics here and everywhere else. To stop this ongoing spewing of poison, this polluting of our minds and lives by the corporate free market privatization insanity, we need to create powerful pressure at our end and reverse the flow.

The left wing critics here cannot be heard, cannot compete with the corporate mass media propaganda until people are willing to turn a deaf ear to cable and to start listening to the people here who have been right all along. We continue to beat down and try to silence the critics and dissenters at our own very great peril, and we insure a very bad outcome when we do that. The time to stop going down this disastrous path is now, and it is up to us. The turnaround needed is within our power right here. Force that poisonous polluting propaganda back into the hole it came from. Clean it from our thoughts, our actions, and our words. The slime is covering everything now. It is killing everything it touches. We can't breath, we can't live.

We are up against the political right wing in all of its forms, and at it most dangerous and lethal. It has permeated everything - the government, the media, the Democratic party, liberalism, and the minds of too many right here. The political right wing serves the desires of the few, be they "conservative" or "liberal" - the wealthy, the owners, the investors, the imperialists, in a word - the Capitalists. A very few are enriched by this, and the rest of us are at great risk, in great peril, and it is getting worse and worse every day, and the rate at which things are getting worse is accelerating. They will kill all of us rather than let us interfere with their profits. That sounds extreme, but I think on some level everyone here knows this to be the truth. They are not going to "do the right thing." They are not going to compromise. They are not going to stand around and let us "regulate" them. They are not going to be stopped by legislation, let alone the arrest of a few scapegoats, let alone severe scoldings on the floor of Congress. They are not going to be stopped by us making different consumer choices. No fines will slow them down. They will not be stopped by us voting out Republicans.

The answer to the political right wing is the political left wing. Not the kinda sorta left, not the be practical, be realistic, go slow, compromise, take baby steps, "don't get me wrong I agree with you BUT..." pseudo left, but the actual by God left that our grandparents and great-grandparents fought for and that gave us everything we have achieved as working class people, that we have wrested from the wealthy and powerful though great struggle and sacrifice.

If we continue to marginalize, isolate, silence, dismiss and ignore the political left, the critics and dissenters - and there is a ferocious effort going on right here, and everywhere else, to do just that every hour of every day - we will continue to slide into hell. Sooner or later, almost everyone will realize this, because no matter what anyone "believes," events will continue to hurtle forward. It is not going to be pretty, and very few of us will escape the consequences. The sooner we let go of the wishful thinking, the fantasies about this, and become determined to band together and fight back, the sooner things will get better. The longer we avoid this, the more pain and suffering there will be and the harder it will be when we eventually have no choice but to fight back.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 11:53 PM
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30. Amen, brother, and welcome to DU!
:hi:



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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 02:09 PM
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36. Like dat one!
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 03:21 PM
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40. thanks
Thanks for reminding us of the scope of the catastrophe and keeping it in our view.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 03:55 PM
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41. what else can I do?
:shrug:


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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 10:31 PM
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15. Beats me. nt
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 10:34 PM
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16. "Where is everybody?" - That was what I asked myself when went to Venice yesterday.
:mad:


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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 10:38 PM
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18. WTF.
Everyone is probably so depressed they can't get out of bed?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 11:07 PM
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19. The anger here so thick you can cut it with an oyster shell.
I meant, there was little activity where there should have been a LOT of activity, at the mouth of the Mississippi.

But wtf do I know, I only went there and saw with my own two eyes. :grr:



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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 11:09 PM
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20. So disheartening. Have people already given her up?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 11:15 PM
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21. My few remaining droplets of hope are invested in the words of President Obama:
"You Will Not Be Abandoned."

That is all I have right now... and numbness.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 11:22 PM
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22. Yes that also gave me hope.
:hug: What kind of effort is being made if any gathering affected fishermen and business owners in one place?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 11:30 PM
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26. Why? ONE order from President Obama could stop BPs use of dispersants.
But he said it was "complicated."
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 02:00 PM
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33. Hey Dangle, the Order was given by EPA and ignored.
Edited on Sat May-29-10 02:01 PM by lonestarnot
There are no laws for corporate America.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 11:31 PM
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28. BP, so far, shut them out of the process, or controlled things in a way keep people quiet or
disempowered them by offering to train them and utilize their boats, yet just left them sitting unused for days. :mad:

That is why Parish officials finally commandeered the boats and equipment BP was supposed to use, but had not.

BP will likely never be welcome in this state ever again (to say the least), and any politicians who took money from them may get booted from office, like Mary Landrieu.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 11:31 PM
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27. my hope is in you
I want to place my hope, my allegiance, my support with you and with all of the working class people who are sickened and fed up and are now ready to fight back.

We should place no more faith in princes, no matter how good they may be.

We are on our own. We have to do this. No politician will do it for us. All we have is numbers, but that is enough, as there are far more of us then there are of them and they need us much more than we need them, and all we need to put those numbers to work is solidarity. We must start fighting right now, every minute from here on out to build that solidarity.

No more compromise. No more hoping the the rich and powerful will do anything for us. No more accepting of "reality" - it is time to band together and change reality.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 11:33 PM
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29. Merci beaucoup
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 02:05 PM
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35. You speak for me. Thank you!
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 02:25 PM
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37. Numbers is all we've got
As u say, "we are on our own." Our reps have no power to change much, certainly not as fast as things can and should change. They are owned. That's the basic truth.

Certainly people are realizing that now in Louisiana. It's a hard way to see it.

Once you give up on being rescued from above then you have to pull together.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 10:35 PM
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17. When have we stood up to anyone?
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 12:17 AM
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31. many times
And we will again. Soon.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 01:10 AM
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32. K&R been saying this is serious but apparently only Superman can enforce EPA compliance
Edited on Sat May-29-10 01:11 AM by TheKentuckian
or if not the Man of Steel then magic, Jesus, or James Bond in a dive suit.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 02:03 PM
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34. ain't it a bitch! Apparently corporations need pay no attention to regulators behind curtains.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 02:27 PM
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39. They don't have to. It's their same people and they have wifi.
Edited on Sat May-29-10 02:27 PM by EFerrari
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 02:26 PM
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38. After 8 years of feeling and knowing Bush was raping this country
it's just plain defamiliarizing to see BP left in charge now that Obama is in office.

I don't think we're sheep. I think we've been traumatized into immobility.

This is like watching NOLA drown all over again. :grr:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 10:46 AM
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42. Yes on the very same scale, only developing into something even worse. No body count yet.
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