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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 10:46 PM Original message |
"SS cuts will be voted without hearings or open debate" |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. Is this being reported by anyone else? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 11:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
15. Uh, the story published at SW is from the Harvard journalism review (Nieman Watchdog). Then it went |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 11:51 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Ok, thank you. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:10 AM Response to Reply #15 |
27. If Jane Hamsher says it, it must be true |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:13 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. jane hamsher didn't say it, either. the harvard journalism review did; she merely commented on |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 04:58 AM Response to Reply #27 |
57. Way to make yourself look foolish in less than 10 words. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:03 AM Response to Reply #57 |
65. +9 nt |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #65 |
77. +10 |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #57 |
87. +100 |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:31 PM Response to Reply #27 |
172. Wipe the egg off your face. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
215. You can watch it on C-SPAN, for chrissakes. I just did, yesterday. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
2. mediawhores are everywhere. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
3. When are these boobs going to realize that forcing austerity |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 10:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. +1 |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 04:46 AM Response to Reply #9 |
56. That's a fact! nt |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 06:24 AM Response to Reply #3 |
60. They're counting on the old to just die, and the young to not care until The Deciders are long gone |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #60 |
90. True. As one of the old (55), I'm worried. nt |
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bobburgster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #90 |
115. Ditto! |
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proReality (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #90 |
128. As an older one (65), I'm worried too. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. Deleted message |
William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 03:07 PM Response to Reply #129 |
209. that is why it will all collapse |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:49 PM Response to Reply #209 |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #216 |
217. none of those are true |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 05:09 PM Response to Reply #217 |
218. Deleted message |
William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #218 |
220. "they" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 05:47 PM Response to Reply #220 |
221. Deleted message |
William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:20 PM Response to Reply #3 |
171. gasoline on a raging fire |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
4. heh, you would expect them to say that. |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
5. Somehow I doubt that |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 10:53 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. so the deficit committee's recommendations will be fully debated before they're voted on? |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 11:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. I think she's right. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 11:19 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. april 26, 2010 |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:26 AM Original message |
An up-or-down vote is one that is not subject to procedural maneuvers like the filibuster. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
37. why would they worry about filibuster if they have the votes in hand before the process? |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:45 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. In January The Senate rejected a proposal to create a bipartisan commission. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:48 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. your assumption is that votes would line up similarly. i don't share that assumption. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:58 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Yes, I am going on an assumption as I said. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:09 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. my belief is based on the fact that it's a long, long way from may to december. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:16 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. I already said why I'm making my assumption. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:42 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. So to restate: you assume that people who voted against an up/down vote would also vote against the |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:31 AM Response to Reply #49 |
63. Yes, but it's just an assumption as I've said. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:20 AM Response to Reply #45 |
52. The best basis for that is that about seven Republicans ditched (Co-Sponsors, mind you) |
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bobburgster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
119. I thought so,.. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:35 AM Response to Reply #7 |
71. As I recall, the Senate's failure to create the commission by legislation put the cabash on that |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 12:39 AM Response to Reply #123 |
177. i'm not getting what you mean. what i'm suggesting will get people killed? what? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 06:25 AM Response to Reply #177 |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 11:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
19. I agree. That would be dumb beyond words. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
6. The panel is already tilted to the Right. nt |
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Hempathy (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
8. Bull. Shite. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 11:01 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. up or down vote. no hearings, no debate. accept or reject. get it done quick |
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Hempathy (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 11:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. I'll believe it when i see it. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:00 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. the story was taken straight from the harvard journalism review. it's not SW's story. |
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Hempathy (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #25 |
70. Like I said- I'll believe it when I see it... |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #70 |
82. Point out a few of those instances where that has happened |
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Hempathy (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:52 AM Response to Reply #82 |
193. point out a few instances where something as big as what's being suggested has happened... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:19 PM Response to Reply #70 |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:17 PM Response to Reply #158 |
170. bingo |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #170 |
207. Thank you. And yet, that is why I get skewered here, and why so many |
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Hempathy (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #158 |
195. people don't know about it, yet....if it happens they will. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #195 |
208. foolish comments |
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Hempathy (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #208 |
212. We. Shall. See. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #212 |
214. what? |
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Hempathy (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #214 |
228. what what? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 05:11 PM Response to Reply #70 |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:30 PM Response to Reply #25 |
165. I have been amazed at the comments on this thread. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:23 AM Response to Reply #18 |
53. So, you resolve to close the barn door after the horses are out? |
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Hempathy (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:27 AM Response to Reply #53 |
69. and what are YOU doing about it...? |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:27 PM Response to Reply #69 |
139. you mean what are we doing, don't you? |
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n.michigan (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:44 AM Response to Reply #139 |
184. May want to take a look at our rights as taxpayers. Serious issues here for American futures. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #139 |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:25 AM Response to Reply #18 |
67. The reason that it is important to read and follow these stories |
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Hempathy (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:47 AM Response to Reply #67 |
74. Things can ALWAYS be undone. |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. I wish, but NAFTA shows thats not usually the case |
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Hempathy (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:58 AM Response to Reply #76 |
197. NAFTA isn't Social Security, either. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #197 |
213. simply not true |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. history shows they *aren't*. |
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Hempathy (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:59 AM Response to Reply #81 |
198. you need to read more history. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #74 |
151. Examples? |
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Hempathy (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:55 AM Response to Reply #151 |
196. tax rates- constantly changing. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #196 |
206. lol. you got nothing. |
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Hempathy (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #206 |
210. I was asked fr an example of things being undone by legislation, and gave one. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 06:52 PM Response to Reply #210 |
222. Not even a nice try. |
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Hempathy (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #222 |
229. It's called "The Legislative Process". |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #11 |
73. There's actually good reason to do it in that fashion. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. "it will never get done." That's a good thing. There's little progressive policy expected here. nt |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #80 |
102. Solving long term structural deficits is not a pleasant business. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:28 PM Response to Reply #102 |
159. So, people like me aren't suffering enough to suit you? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 12:45 AM Response to Reply #102 |
178. there is no long term structural deficit. and if there were, "solving" it could be done precisely |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:20 AM Response to Reply #102 |
201. Except that those tweaks are not likely to be the ones included in the deficit commission. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #73 |
83. It shouldn't ever be done. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #83 |
100. Social Security will not be the only item up for discussion. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #100 |
117. & no package should be bundled with a lot of stuff so people have a harder time getting |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
79. That was defeated when the Senate failed to pass the bill creating the commission. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. reported in april that pelosi & reid agreed to an up/down vote if the commission's recs were |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
10. Transparency - isn't it wonderful? |
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Mike K (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 12:57 AM Response to Reply #10 |
181. I agree completely. |
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brooklynite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
13. Forgive me, but I suspect SOCIALIST WORKER is putting its own spin on the story... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 11:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Forgive me, but the story is from the Harvard Journalism School. Alternet picked it up, |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
17. That is UNSAT. A significant "cut in pay" for Congress should be included within this bill. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 11:57 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. uh, the story is from the harvard journalism review. and the website is not wsws. |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #23 |
85. You're not going to be able to force anything between those blinders. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #23 |
141. wow how many times do you have to prove it was written by the Harvard Journalism Review? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:34 PM Response to Reply #141 |
160. I'm glad, flyarm, that you are seeing this process at work. |
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Mike K (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 02:45 AM Response to Reply #160 |
186. If Obama had any real concern about being re-elected |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #186 |
205. Everything you say is exactly on target, but I will add one thing you have omitted... |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
22. On this one I'm about 99% sure the Worker is conflating the original Conrad/Gregg travesty |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 11:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. the story is from the harvard journalism review. SW didn't write it, they just picked it up. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:09 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. unbelievable, isn't it? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:12 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. yes, it's unbelievable. and often a way to dismiss bad news without arguing it on its merits. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:15 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. I am going to do an OP |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:19 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. i will read it. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:32 AM Response to Reply #32 |
38. thanks |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #32 |
144. me too!! eom |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #28 |
143. many are paid to be here to shut down the message..they play by the same rules and MO as the former |
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mikita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 07:02 PM Response to Reply #28 |
223. this has been truly stunning to follow.... |
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proudohioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #26 |
116. Funny that you mention that.... |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:11 PM Response to Reply #116 |
169. I'll be right over |
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proudohioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #169 |
203. Oh, just the typical Socialist fare..... |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #203 |
211. love Cleveland |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #26 |
156. It wouldn't bother me in the least. I consider Socialist Worker a credible source |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:17 AM Response to Reply #24 |
31. I'm not ragging the source and only identified it to make it clear |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:20 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. according to this source (winger), as of april, pelosi & reid agreed to hold an up/down vote |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Yeah, I mentioned that was a concern and this won't go through the regular committee |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:26 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. yes, i know, i was just venting. "won't go through regular committee" = already "streamlined". |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
86. Thank you. They are conflating it with the original Conrad/Gregg travesty which failed. |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
88. And the committee is stacked with people who want to privatize. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #22 |
105. + A gazillion nt |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
34. and K&R this needs to be visible and deficit hawks need to be busted up |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:36 AM Response to Original message |
39. Public Meeting & Public Feedback- June 30th in Washington, D.C. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:46 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. This public meeting (in response to criticisms of the commission's secret meetings) has nothing |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #41 |
93. I am opposed to the Cat Food Commission but your facts are incorrect and you are ignoring that. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #93 |
104. I posted an article, so they're not my facts. Also, I linked you to an april 2010 report that |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #104 |
126. Then we must hope the recommendations are not unanimous. There is question if anything will get done |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:41 PM Response to Reply #126 |
161. This is going to take much more than "hope". It is going to take a mass movment, and that ain't-a- |
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bobburgster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #93 |
124. Cat Food Commission..... |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:25 PM Response to Reply #124 |
138. Yes, if only... :( eom |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:55 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Gotta hammer Congress on this on both sides because the commission don't care |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #39 |
89. Thanks. Hope all the correct groups and people are mobilized for this. nt |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:55 AM Response to Original message |
44. Ya'll let me know what you figure out about the voting, In the meantime |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #44 |
94. +1 nt |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:09 AM Response to Original message |
47. Hey Hannah! |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 12:48 AM Response to Reply #47 |
179. yep....clinton brought it up, too, btw. it's on the long-term radar for both parties. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:43 AM Response to Original message |
50. We are being stabbed in the back! |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:04 AM Response to Original message |
51. If I pretend it isn't happening, will it go away? |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 04:45 AM Response to Original message |
54. Why would Obama agree to this? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 06:26 AM Response to Reply #54 |
61. Why not? SS recipients will be grand-fathered, so those votes are saved. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:01 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Votes from the middle-aged who've been paying into all their working lives will be lost. |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #64 |
72. you are right |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #72 |
145. We weren't just paying for our parents retirement, we were paying double, for ours too. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 06:01 PM Response to Reply #145 |
152. That's what we were told. Really, we were funding projects left short by tax cuts for the wealthy. n |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #152 |
153. I am going to hold them to their THEFT. And that goes for any "fixers" too. nt |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:44 PM Response to Reply #152 |
163. Hello....Hello? Over here.....psssttt.... |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 12:36 AM Response to Reply #163 |
175. It matters to me. I hate the Cat Food Commission. SS is already dreadfully inadequate |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #175 |
204. You have said it all. Yet, here "progressives" sit... all activated for so many issues, |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 09:45 AM Response to Reply #204 |
225. +1000 nt |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:57 AM Response to Reply #145 |
190. Yeah. |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #64 |
95. Can you explain what you mean? |
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Mike K (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 12:35 AM Response to Reply #54 |
174. Why would Obama agree to this? |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 03:46 AM Response to Reply #54 |
188. Agree??? He's pushing it and HARD. Look at the fucks he appointed. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 05:05 AM Response to Reply #188 |
191. I guess it's hard |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 04:46 AM Response to Original message |
55. It's a damn shame they never cut military spending! |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 05:02 AM Response to Original message |
58. They would do this when |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 06:28 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. "Military spending" = the only manufacturing we do! So Obama plays the "jobs + security" card. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 05:55 AM Response to Original message |
59. Recommend |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
66. Again, I have to ask this question, |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #66 |
75. there are still people here who would vote for him |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #75 |
91. Absolutely. I've seen many here defending cuts to SS & spouting the lies about insolvency. nt |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #75 |
96. What is Obama's motive for promoting a kleptocracy? nt |
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proudohioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:54 PM Response to Reply #75 |
125. You know... |
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BuelahWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #75 |
227. I will be surprised if he runs for a second term |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #66 |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #113 |
146. I have said the same thing..I used to get laughed at..not anymore! not by a long shot! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 05:45 PM Response to Reply #146 |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
68. Restructuring: it ain't just for other people any more. |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #68 |
97. The Harvard Communist Manifesto! |
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TransitJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
78. Chess Move® n/t |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
92. Did the Barack Squad miss any of the standard divert and distract tactics in this thread? |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #92 |
99. I hope the appropriate groups are mobilized to fight once the recs are made public. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #99 |
107. Spot on. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #92 |
147. nope they are in all their glory for everyone to see and experience their absurdity! eom |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
98. Can someone explain in 2 paragraphs what this issue is about? Without anti-Obama or SWP agenda? |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. yes nt |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. that's so funny I forgot to laugh nt |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. it's not funny |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #103 |
110. maybe you should read the article |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:36 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. I asked for a summary |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #111 |
120. why don't you just read the article. it's from the harvard journalism review, not socialist worker. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #111 |
131. Obviously "summary" does not mean what you think it means... |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #111 |
140. no you didn't |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #98 |
108. Here's the scoop: |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. When they raise the benefit age does that mean the age one receives full benefits? |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #112 |
122. It is likely they will attempt to increase it further. |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #122 |
148. Nice of them to move the goal posts nt |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #98 |
130. What is "SWP" propaganda? |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
109. It's amazing that people won't read an EXACT REPRINT from a journal published out of Harvard because |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #109 |
118. I am no supporter of red baiting but the accuracy is in question, here. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #118 |
127. i've linked you to two msm reports, one from the wall street journal in march after |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #127 |
133. Did you indicate above that is contingent on recs being unanimous? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 12:34 AM Response to Reply #133 |
173. that's what one article said. everything is rather vague, & to me, that's a red flag. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 12:37 AM Response to Reply #173 |
176. Yes. Better over vigilant than asleep at the wheel. nt |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #118 |
132. Actually, by saying that, you are actually red-baiting. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #132 |
135. I'm going to let that go as you probably don't know me well. :) |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #109 |
121. yeah, bomb-throwing crazies. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
134. So Zecke Emmanuel is getting his wish. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:17 PM Response to Reply #134 |
136. If his involvement with the administration isn't enough to curl our hair, we're not paying attention |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:09 AM Response to Reply #134 |
182. Deleted message |
wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
137. k&r! nt |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
142. K&R |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
149. Hannah, if you are correct the protest will be the biggest we have |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 12:55 AM Response to Reply #149 |
180. those already on social security will probably get to keep what they have. that's how they keep |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 11:29 AM Response to Reply #180 |
202. That would do it. Back in the 60-70s we would have all stood together |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
154. kick |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
155. What the helll?! Do they really think they are gonna get away with this?! |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #155 |
166. Yes they do and, sadly, they probably will get away with it. |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
157. Here's the list of the rat bastards who are planning to screw up our Social Security: |
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n.michigan (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:34 AM Response to Reply #157 |
183. Baucus, Conrad AGAIN. Bowles and Simpson..AGAIN .Camp of MI-a whole cast of dirty OBAMA characters |
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pundaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
162. That would be the tipping point |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:55 PM Response to Reply #162 |
168. With respect, there will be no "tipping point". This experiment America is fucking toast. nm |
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ezmerelda39 (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
164. I suggest that we |
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unkachuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
167. K&R....n/t |
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tango-tee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 02:14 AM Response to Original message |
185. Proud to K&R! |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 03:36 AM Original message |
Mr. Obama Commission a sinister group of Republican Ghouls & Goldman Sachs Bankers |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 03:36 AM Original message |
Mr. Obama Commission a sinister group of Republican Ghouls & Goldman Sachs Bankers |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 03:36 AM Response to Original message |
187. Mr. Obama Commission a sinister group of Republican Ghouls & Goldman Sachs Bankers |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 03:59 AM Response to Original message |
189. I don't get the deflection or the doubt here. What do folks think this crew is about? |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
194. kicking again |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
200. Medicare was already gutted |
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226. kick again. nt |
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