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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 12:59 AM Original message |
Did you ever work some place where they promoted the best workers into supervisory positions? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:01 AM Response to Original message |
1. No and back in my salad days, there was no way |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:04 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. A woman who hired into Ford about the same time I did is the plant manager there now |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:12 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. When was that? Things opened up for women in management only |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 05:16 AM Response to Reply #3 |
22. She hired in with me in 1973. I don't recall the month? |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
61. Both you and CLeita are wrong. This one knows it wasn't always this way. nt |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:17 AM Response to Original message |
4. It was usually the suck ups that got promoted. n/t |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:31 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Yep. Those with their lips firmly affixed to the boss's ass got the nod. |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:33 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. And they wonder why good |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:43 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Yep, unless I was the one doing the promoting |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 02:12 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Bingo! |
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Bitwit1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 06:51 AM Response to Reply #4 |
23. Or where my son works the boss's girl friend |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 08:42 AM Response to Reply #4 |
24. This is my experience: |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #24 |
43. My software engineer husband worked for sociology majors with |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 02:14 AM Response to Reply #24 |
47. This is my experience also. |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:24 AM Response to Original message |
5. I am a stay-at-home mom... |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 02:10 AM Response to Original message |
9. No. The talent decreased as you went up the corporate pecking order. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 02:17 AM Response to Original message |
11. Yeah, where I work it's based on merit... |
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TlalocW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 02:23 AM Response to Original message |
12. 12 years ago when I entered the "adult" workforce |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #12 |
42. I hate being lied to, and it happens all the time. My husband's |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 03:33 AM Response to Reply #42 |
49. I suggest your husband sign up with a select group of agencies that place people with his skills. |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 10:47 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. The first thing he did was sign up with a bunch of contract houses. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 02:29 AM Response to Original message |
13. Are you kidding!? The merit system is dead, it is all about politics |
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pundaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 02:48 AM Response to Original message |
14. Ever hear of the Peter Principle? People keep getting promoted until they reach a position |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 02:56 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. You might enjoy this: "The Peter Principle Revisited: A Computational Study (Two solutions)" |
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pundaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:11 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Couldn't read it, but from the abstract it sounds a little like that study where it was shown that |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 03:21 AM Response to Original message |
16. I'm stunned that ANYBODY thinks the BP management is good for anything |
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DeltaLitProf (459 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 03:37 AM Response to Original message |
17. This is especially true at universities |
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Dr Morbius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:53 AM Response to Original message |
19. I hate to write this as it will seem like I am a defender of corporate types. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:55 AM Response to Original message |
20. my experience is that suck-ups, spies, & machiavellian types do well in the |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 05:09 AM Response to Original message |
21. Where I worked on the railroad, it was the finks, the suck-ups, and the stoopid. |
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Urban Prairie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:18 AM Response to Reply #21 |
28. I also worked for a railroad (Penn Central/Conrail) |
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immune (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
25. Back in the day |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
26. The Army. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
27. The 'Peter principle'. The best workers need to be Lead/Fore persons. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
29. I've seen that most often in large, publicly-traded organizations like banks |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
30. Sometimes, but not always |
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TransitJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
31. Hell no. |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
32. Usually the back stabbers and rats and the ones who took credit |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
33. So that explains it |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:16 AM Response to Reply #33 |
41. Weren't you a working supervisor though? |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:09 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Sometimes yes |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
34. Sometimes |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
35. well ya. i had a number of places i worked where the best, hardest worker got the promotion |
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Madam Mossfern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
36. I work in a government/civil service position |
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Synicus Maximus (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
37. Read the "Peter Principle". |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #37 |
63. The business world has change so much since then, I don't think it holds true any longer. |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
38. No. I worked for the State of PA. The supervisors had some previous |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
39. Suckups and Fuckups become supervisors. |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
40. Nope. |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
44. Actually, yes. The place I work now. |
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kelly1mm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
46. Yes - the military. nt |
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fleabert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 02:23 AM Response to Original message |
48. absolutely. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 04:24 AM Response to Original message |
50. Find this less true if you're a person of color, tolerance level of incompetence is low and sponsors |
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HipChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 10:59 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. just wow? play the race card much?... I've non-color incompetence promoted due to old boys network |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 05:28 PM Response to Reply #54 |
67. It's not a fucking card. |
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Ohio Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
52. Yes, once |
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catzies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
53. Well, as a non-degreed accounting-type person, I have always been in small businesses |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. I've worked in two family-owned businesses. Impossible to |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
56. Nope - surpervisors were almost inevitably failures |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
57. It was usually the drinking buddies and coke suppliers. |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
58. Generally speaking the best rose, but not as quickly or as high as ass kissing idiots. |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
59. Way back when I worked for GTE |
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ampad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
60. No |
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woofless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
62. Yup. |
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W_HAMILTON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
64. The only major promotion I've seen at my recent job... |
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Populist_Prole (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
65. Generally NO, but not absolutely |
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Brooklyns_Finest (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
66. I am a supervisor |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
68. my experience is the same as yours. nt |
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