Polls say AZ supports 1070 but the supporters march draws 7k, opponents draw 2 or 3X as many?

[EFerrari]

Check it out:

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Most of Tempe Diablo Stadium's more than 7,000 seats were full Saturday, and hundreds more people milled in the back or sat on the infield lawn. (pro 1070)

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Police declined to estimate the size of the crowd, but it appeared at least 10,000 to 20,000 protesters braved 94-degree heat. Organizers had said they expected the demonstration to bring as many as 50,000 people. (anti 1070)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100530/ap_on_re_us/us_immigration_protests_12

Shot of protesters on the street in Phoenix:



Shot of 1070 supporters at Diablo Stadium in Tempe. (Lol, DIABLO stadium!)





The opposition seems to me to have the numbers:

[Scuba]

1. There's only one count that matters. Unfortunately...

... it may not matter either.

Last fall, ES&S quietly purchased Diebold, giving them 80% of market for electronic voting machings. And it's not just the un-auditable vote-counting; they now also own polling place check-in software (electronic pollbooks), voter registration software and vote-by-mail authentication software.

http://www.benalexandra.com/cool_stuff/diebold_ess.htm

This link has very scary information, all with appropriate citations, regarding what could easily be a mass-manipulation of our elections.

They've already been caught registering voters who thought they were just signing petitions. Getting total registered voter numbers higher gives them more room to fudge numbers.

When you buy a pack of gum, you get a receipt. Why is there no receipt/audit trail on our votes? I can only think of one reason.

[EFerrari]

2. Right and election fraud depends upon perception.

Like the perception that Al Gore is boring or that John Kerry is stiff or that AZ supports 1070.

[Scuba]

3. So Rupert gets to decide what we all think.

[EFerrari]

9. Well, remember when no one covered the Ohio recount.

It took on the feel of an academic exercise almost immediately.

[David__77]

4. Polarization can be a good thing.

If there are enough progressive whites, then we will win.

[MH1]

5. People are more motivated by fear of oppression and will come from further away

My guess is you'll find greater geographical disparity in the anti-1070 crowd (many from outside AZ). The pro-1070 will be those motivated by the fears that drove the law in the first place: locals who are worried about their property and in some cases jobs. The anti-1070 group will include people from all over worried about this kind of law coming to their neighborhood.

Also, the pro-1070 already have the law, they won't feel the need to fight for it. The anti-1070 have to fight to repeal it or mitigate it, so they are more motivated.

[EFerrari]

7. The pro event was organized by two guys from out of state.

One of them was a TX business freeper.

ETA: They came in early and were invited as guests to a few teevee spots, which is where I saw them.

[Imajika]

6. The Anti forces are opposing a current law...

...so naturally they will come out in bigger numbers as they have a grievance to air. The Pro forces have already got there way, so they have far less motivation to march. The key is, what do the non-politically involved people think since they will determine the outcome of elections and opinion polls. It is pretty clear those people support the law. The turn out numbers here are meaningless.

[EFerrari]

8. You're assuming this situation turns on an election.

That isn't necessarily the case at all. The law will likely be tossed out in court, for one thing.