In under 10 years, our country has experienced...

[Downtown Hound]

The worst terrorist attack in American history, if not world history.

What will soon become the longest war in U.S. History.

The worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.

And now the worst man-made environmental disaster EVER.

And what is at the core of all of it? Oil and unrestrained corporatism. I find myself rather pissed at this system, and I don't think I'm alone. I am hereby taking a vow of resistance against it. From this day forward, I vow to dedicate as much time and effort as I am able to seeing to it that this system is forever made extinct and replaced with something that allows the common folk to have some say in what happens in their world.

Protests, civil disobedience, direct action, organizing, volunteering in our communities, building alliances, taking back our mother fucking power, all of them are needed NOW more than ever. I hereby take a pledge to find ways to resist this unjust and destructive system that if left unchecked, very well might get us all killed.

Now who the fuck is with me?

[The_Commonist]

1. Welcome to the Club!

What took you so long?

[Downtown Hound]

9. Oh, I've been here for awhile

But I'm feeling feisty today. Plus, as of 3 days ago I'm off probation from my last civil disobedience arrest! Hmmm...who to blockade next?

[underseasurveyor]

75. LOL

heh.. A DUer after my own heart. I like you :toast:

[Newest Reality]

2. Who isn't with you?

You do realize that you are dealing with a vast network that is the Military-Industrial-Corporate State, right? They own and provide most of what we need in our modern lifestyles and they have taken the great surplus of our wealth and productivity and forged it into a tremendous and powerful conglomeration of low and high-tech weapons, the likes of which have never been seen before.

I am not at all trying to be discouraging, but know thy enemy, in this case. It seems that the stakes are very, very high and the unspoken response to our justified grievances now, is: "You will only pry this power and wealth from our cold, dead hands."

That's not to say that hundreds and thousands of people making changes in their lives and doing incremental activism in small steps would not have an impact, but there WILL be reprisals in a class war that is almost over. It has just about been won by the top percentile. It convinces the rest of us that the media illusion is real and we are not collectivey in no-man's-land, on the edge of a precipice, eying slippery slope souvenirs as the shoving begins.

[AnArmyVeteran]

17. Who isn't with us? CONSERVATIVES, that's who...

Not with a bang, but with a whimper.

Conservatives are so damned blind and stupid they love the current system of corporate rule. They cheer on corporations as if they were gods. Every conservative I know wants all regulations restricting corporations eliminated because they believe corporations and unrestricted capitalism is their dream of a utopian country. I suppose they are even defending BP and its assault against the environment and the millions of victims. But conservatives always blame the victims and support their powerful and wealthy abusers, always.

In my entire life I have never seen the level of ignorance and stupidity as I am witnessing now with the mutant stew of conservative extremists, tea baggers and racists. It is beyond comprehension how they can be so completely duped by the very people who seek to harm them.

I participated in a protest against BP last Monday. We protested at the BP headquarters in Houston. Although we were very vocal we were just a handful of people who had the guts to protest against the mighty BP. Where in the hell were all the others who are sickened by BP's criminal acts? Apparently their disgust ends at their houses' front doors because they are too damned lazy or unconcerned to join the fight against the corporate war being waged against us. While they are basking in their air conditioned houses, others are fighting to stop the madness.

Where were the liberals? Where were the tea baggers? Where were the damned people! There should have been hundreds of thousands at that protest against BP. But instead there were only about forty. It's sickening at the level of absolute apathy from those who 'say' they want to change the way the country is being destroyed by corporations, but seem unwilling or too lazy to actually take to the streets to stop it.

I'm sure the executives at the BP offices in Houston were sitting in the top floor of their building laughing at us. They know they have nothing to fear because they know huge numbers of people wont rise up against them. But if their building was surrounded by hundreds of thousands of people it just might strike fear into them...

In T S Eliot's poem are these prophetic words:
"This is the way the world ends, This is the way the world ends, This is the way the world ends, Not with a bang but a whimper."
If you truly give a damn about your country, your families and your futures, then get off your damn asses and fight damnit.

[JeffersonChick]

45. OMG. I figured it out

But conservatives always blame the victims and support their powerful and wealthy abusers, always.

They must have Stockholm Syndrome!

[AnArmyVeteran]

60. I know, I thought of that. They have all the symptoms of Stockholm Syndrome

[DLnyc]

24. " ... convinces the rest of us that the media illusion is real ... "

Well said.

I would apply this idea to another point you made, changing
"They own and provide most of what we need in our modern lifestyles"
to say
"They own and provide most of what they have convinced us to believe we need in our modern lifestyles"

So one step many of us can take is simply "Don't buy this shit" (figuratively nor literally).

True, many things we would be hard-pressed to swear off altogether, but we can drastically cut our intake via various strategies.

[Newest Reality]

3. Dupe.

[doc03]

4. IMO all of this is a result of the SCOTUS decision on the

2000 election. If Al Gore would have become President we would be well on the way towards eliminating the internal combustion engine. We would not have the need to drill in the gulf and if we did it would have been safely. Al Gore would not have given the tax cuts to the rich and SS would be secure. We may have still had the terrorist attack on 911 but we certainly wouldn't have went into Iraq.

[nichomachus]

5. That would have been the first, and most disastrous, terrorist attack on the US

That has resulted in more death and destruction than 9-11

[Enthusiast]

64. +1 nt

[Uncle Joe]

74. I agree, the Republican Party and the Supreme Court sold their souls while selling

the nation down the river with that court challenge and decision, and we've been paying the consequences for it ever since.

Just like a wedge of pie going from the narrow center point and broadening outward, such has been the effect.

[Greyhound]

14. That was certainly the latest example, but If you go back you will find the seeds of

all these abominations in the SCOTUS's of the 1830's.

Got to run, BBL.
:kick: & R

[Enthusiast]

63. You are so right! nt

[Larry Ogg]

71. Wasn't there three branches of government with equil power in 2000?

And as a matter of course, should we have expected a different outcome from the right wing conservatives of both political parties, i.e. the ones who supported the SCOTUS coup outrightly or without opposition?

And as I recall the number of Democrats who tried to defend the Constitution by protesting the SCOTUS ruling was minuscule. Is it so easy to say what would have happened had the Constitution not been usurped, first by treason and then by complicity. And now that Democrats have taken back the Congress and the White House, why has nothing been done to bring these elected cronies too justice, and their crimes into the light of day?

Maybe we the people need to get over our cognitive dissonance and start looking at the guilty regardless of what political party they belong to.

[newspeak]

79. actually, remember what Ashcroft was doing before 9/11

It seems his main focus was on hookers and people like Chong. They were warned by the previous administration that terrorism would be their number one priority-they were given the August PDB reports, they were told by other countries that something was going down. And, how did they respond? To me, * wanted war--he was praying for war. And, for the sickest reasons. If he believed that daddy wouldn't have lost if he had another war, if it is true that he said that war helps an economy--then what makes us think that he and his minions wouldn't have done very little to prevent it?

How many times in public did he joke about hitting the trifecta? And, * and Cheney were in the bag to steal the election, I believe. If Halliburton bought out Dresser Industries (who was in financial trouble) before the election because of the asbestos lawsuits, the only thing I can think of is having someone make those lawsuits go away. anyway, those are my thoughts on the matter--and, I think we would not be in the shape we're in under Gore and I believe 9/11 would have been circumvented.

[FarCenter]

6. It was predictable, like the collapse of Brezhnev's Soviet Union

Most of the leadership in the House and Senate is over 65 -- many are in their 70s and 80s.

The George Bush cabinet was on average older than Breshnev's politburo, which for a long time was the poster boy of a sclerotic government.

The "Greatest Generation" hung on far too long, steeped in patriotic hubris, and beyond their capability to effectively govern.

[butterfly77]

7. Kicked&Recommended!!!

LET'S GET THIS PARTY STARTED! :kick:

[jotsy]

8. The longer we wait for effective governance the less there will be to govern.

I'd rather be with you than wait to face whatever madness they cook up next, if you'll have me.

[Downtown Hound]

13. Welcome. n/t

[AnArmyVeteran]

18. We have a void of leadership and an absence of courage...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8449786#8450812

[jotsy]

19. Thank you for being there.

It won't be easy and it won't be fast, I don't even know if it'll make a difference, I only know there ain't a chance at all if we don't make the attempt. The question is how to obtain cohesion, which requires effective chains of communication linked at the center to a hub....like DU. The state forums and activist threads here may be a good first step, for me at least, I've been here a year and two weeks, not new anymore but certainly still have a lot to learn.

Let's do it.

[AnArmyVeteran]

20. Thanks Jotsy, what you said is exactly true. We need to form a new activist organization..

[jotsy]

23. I contend the building blocks of that are already here, we just have to make use of them.

Are you familiar w/ U-cube, the organization for the unemployed? Theirs might offer an interesting model to consider emulating. Then you need...Don't like using this word...agenda with a schedule of deadlines, topic targets. I do urge some caution, however. Been monitoring locked threads a bit and today in the activist HQ forum a thread promoting something other than the toxic two party system we have was shut down.

PM me anytime if a more private conversation is what you deem necessary.

[flamingdem]

10. Great but we need to visible. So how do we do this? Creative ideas anyone? nt

[Downtown Hound]

12. Well, I can only tell you what I'm doing, and maybe that will give you some inspiration

Get energy independent. There are ways you can do this yourself. For example, if you're able, ditch your standard fossil fuel car and get a diesel, and power it on biodiesel. Hybrids are great and all, but you're still giving money to the oil companies. The only way to really hurt them is to starve them to death. I'm currently building my own algae bioreactor to produce my own biodiesel just like in this video here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsQCj_PaWN0

Grow as much of your own food as you can. I'm turning my rather small backyard into a virtual citrus farm using espalier and vertical hydroponic gardening.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yra0g5uOXhQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgcZJBqOoJQ&feature=related

Those are just a few things you can do to make yourself more independent. As for activism, seek out your local protest group and join. If you don't have one in your community, find one in a nearby community or start one yourself.

Tell others about what you are doing. Make a blog about it or post it on youtube. Spread the word.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

11. Greed. The # 1 reason we are where we are. n/t

[Odin2005]

15. Oil and Greed, a deadly mixture.

:(

[stuntcat]

16. kickity

:kick:

[Ardent15]

21. "unrestrained corporatism"

More like unrestrained capitalism.

[devilgrrl]

22. I'm with you!

:blush:

:mad:

[BobbyBoring]

25. I'm wit chu

There's a lot everyone can do. First, don't deal with big banks. If you deal with BofA, Citi, etc, STOP! Take your money out today. If you have a small local bank use them if you MUST have a bank. Second, if you have to buy gas, DON'T USE BP or EXON. I haven't used Exon since Valdez. Third, MAKE NOISE! Call your reps and raise hell. If they are up for re election, tell them you'll stop at nothing to remove them from power. Fourth, BOYCOTT any and all advertisers on Faux newz and let them know what you're doing and why. The American consumer is the driving force of our economy. All these big corps think about is money so don't give them yours. Don't shop at places that use automated check outs. Those machines replaced a working person.

Remember what this country was founded on. We were being repressed and our fore fathers fought back. Unfortunately, people had a lot more balls than they have now. We're a little short on Ethan Allen types but there are a few. You're only powerless when you tell yourself you are. NO man has dominion over me and Hound is right. These fucks put us in jeopardy every day in one way or the other. I refuse to be treated as disposable. What happens when the Chinese start thinking about "Pre emptive war"? Had Mc Cain been elected, we would already have bombed Iran. If Palin were to be elected in 2012, it would BE OVER as she's one of the "Chosen Few" waiting to be swept up to sit with god.

The elections this year will determine whether we survive or not. There's not a single repug that cares about us and only a hand full of Dems. Blue Dogs must goes. Reid and Perlosi too. Come to terms with the fact that about all our "Representatives" are owned by one big biz or the other. They must be removed from office. Arm yourself with facts and get out there! We can do this, we just don't have much time~

[davidlynch]

26. I was feeling the same way this morning, top kill failure was last straw n/t

[scentopine]

27. With you all the way! We need good organizers and leaders! -nt

[bjobotts]

28. As long as your energy is directed at the monopolies and their pet congressmen

[bjobotts]

29. Gov. is not the problem. It is only thing big enough to confront thes huge monopoliesl

[Duer 157099]

30. I am the fuck with you

Up to and including giving my life.

[defendandprotect]

31. I'm with you in spirit . . .

the rest of me may follow depending up what comes of this!

Was wondering today about the link to those who were going to try to organize

the unemployed -- and was wondering, shouldn't they be organizaing the homeless

and those on welfare at the same time?

[Scruffy1]

32. I'm all in

They can take the liberal third way crap and shove it. I am now positive that we are going to have more violent confrontaions. But then from Chicago '68 to RNC 2008 it's has been violent.

[EnviroBat]

58. 100% Agreed.

The time for passive activism is waaaay over. They simply ignore it, or stomp the shit out of you anyway.

[Oldtimeralso]

33. K & R n/t

[Initech]

34. The sad thing is the GOP could have prevented all of this, but did nothing.

That's what happens when you fill a presidential cabinet and media with a bunch of disgusting lackeys and yes men who will agree with anything you do, no matter how bad it gets.

[Quantess]

35. And sadly, most of the Democrats haven't done much better.

Everybody is on the lobbyist payroll in some way or another.

[jwirr]

36. And for those who can - just plain dropping out. Living off the grid,

developing self sufficiency.

[nvme]

37. its so sad

to be living through our ugliest time as a nation

[SpankMe]

38. Count me in.

But, I've been told I'm a spineless, soulless, America-hating, bleeding-heart liberal pussy. From my wife, no less. I don't think I'm emotionally or intellectually equipped to affect change.

[SammyWinstonJack]

52. From your wife?

:wow: That's gotta hurt. :hug:

[XemaSab]

39. Preach it!

:woohoo:

[YOY]

40. We need the names of the oligarchs.

We need to start putting their names out. People talk about them but nobody ever really mentions them all in one fell swoop.

Protesting the politicians does nothing. Money talks we all walk...regardless of whether it's BS we push or not.

Not inciting violence but lets make sure the public knows who's really pulling the strings on both parties thanks to the pandora's box opened by Saint Ronnie the puppet.

[Greyhound]

44. There are about 4,000 of them here in the U.S. and they go to some lengths to avoid

being known for what they are. The simplest way to find them is to go where they go, but that takes $$$.

[Chubb Rock]

41. Amen!!!

nt

[JeffersonChick]

42. This is precisely the reason I became a Democrat

I realized the potential for corporate evil long before 2008. What amazes me is that conservatives seem to be blind to the cause behind the effects. After Wall Street and the Gulf oil spill, how on earth could conservatives NOT demand regulation? Are they so much in denial, so blindly addicted to right-wing propaganda, that they refuse to see if even if it affects their own finances and health?

I can't wrap my head around it.

[Greyhound]

43. ..

:rofl:

[Enthusiast]

65. Yup, blindly addicted to right-wing propaganda.

That's what it is.

[femrap]

70. Most of whom

are Evangelical Fundies, imho. They're the 23% of people that John Dean writes about in his book about people with no conscience. He really spelled it out and helped me to understand how these people 'think.'

[Enthusiast]

72. That 23% is sure

dragging the rest of us down. I strive to be objective. It is not always easy. And no one can be 100% objective. I don't think that 23% even gives objectivity a passing thought.

[femrap]

73. John Dean's book deals with

all the research done starting back in 1950's with regard to: How did Hitler get people to do such horrid things?

This 22 to 25% of all populations are just sheep. They see things in total black and white. I have some family members like this....fundies. And this book really helped me to understand them.

Remember when Hitler was rising to power....all of the sane people thought him to be laughable (ie Palin and Raygun, imho) so they did nothing. While the 1/4 of the people worked harder and harder.

If the 75% does not take these crazy 25% seriously, it's trouble. This 25% is fervent...they believe they are 100% in their beliefs. There is no reasoning with them.

The book is a quick read...published back in 2005, maybe. I highly recommend.

[ezdidit]

46. The elitist culture of corruption

is an extraordinary war in itself.
Republicans are entirely to blame.
It is Republican abnegation of duty throughout.

To whit:
In the face of NSA estimates of "alQaida Determined to Strike in U.S.," Bush stood down our defenses, refusing to alert airlines.
An irresponsible & disproportionate & asymmetrical war/genocide on Iraq, and a weak effort to counter terrorism in Afghanistan-Pakistan (because they "don't have any good targets.")
An economic crisis as a direct result of Gramm Leach Bliley, repeal of Glass-Steagall, also promulgated by Republicans in service to their corporate masters, to create banks that were - and are still - too big to fail.
And the Gulf cataclysm is a direct result of faith-based regulatory non-enforcement, another result of Republican rule.

Better government run by adult Democrats rather than corrupt and childish Republicans is the answer.
Republican authoritarians are immature wishful thinkers - at worst, they are liars and racists who never do what they say they are going to do.

[INdemo]

47. We thought we had a real leader when we elected Obama and as it

turns out he is a corporatist himself..Giving those great, convincing speeches and all the while was/is on board with the very corporations that have destroyed our Democracy.

[SammyWinstonJack]

53. ^5

:thumbsup:

[Pooka Fey]

48. I am with you.

I don't drive anymore. Granted, I live in the walkable downtown of my city with a decent public transit system. I've almost but not 100% committed to never owning a car again, but just renting one when I can't avoid it (trips to the beach for example). I also have to ask friends for a ride sometimes at night when the buses aren't running.

The fact that I can't yet commit at 100% to never owning a car again shows how darn hard it is to break the habit. The destruction of the Gulf of Mexico has certainly strengthened my resolve. :cry:

[HughBeaumont]

49. K & R. The rightward movement of this country needs to be stopped also.

We're seeing it in both parties. It's why you GET unbridled corporatism and all the disaster it results in - because everyone (especially the center-right to the far right) still believes in this Horatio Algerist garbage the right pushes and that such a myth works in an economic system fully designed to give the illusion of upward mobility rather than the reality of it.

We got away from "when we all do better, we ALL do better" and installed "I got mines. Fuck off".

[proudohioan]

50. In Solidarity, Downtown Hound! K&R!

[freddie mertz]

51. With you. But confused about how to fight back.

After 56 years on the planet, I've become very discouraged by recent events.

[Spheric]

54. I am ready to storm the bastille if that's what it takes.

And it's not just the banks and energy companies.

We also have Monsanto taking over full control of the world's food supply and performing unregulated experiments on a global scale with the food chain itself, merely in order to increase profits. What could possibly go wrong with that? Who could possibly predict anything bad happening with that?

At the rate we are going, the next big mega-disaster is just around the corner. And another after that. This is madness beyond anything perpetrated throughout the history of mankind. We end it now, or we are doomed.

Our children and grandchildren, if they survive, will curse us for eternity if we continue down this path.

Count me in.

[EnviroBat]

59. Coincidence? I tend to think not...

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2003/pr27/en/

[bdamomma]

55. terrible I think it is time for pitchforks and torches, way past the time.

[NNN0LHI]

56. Is everyone going to drive their imported cars to the protest?

To complain about not having a job?

This should be a real hoot.

Don

[Downtown Hound]

80. So if they drove those domestic cars (the ones made in Mexico)

That would make all the difference?

[EnviroBat]

57. There are many of us that are "with you".

Sadly though, I don't believe that a passive resistance is going to have any bearing on the outcomes of our lives. So many here aren't willing to see or admit that ugly truth. The truth that a New American Revolution is as necessary as our next breath. Problem is, they've got us where they want us. Fat, stupid, diseased, uneducated, and in debt. The fascist system that has been rising under our noses for decades now has been engineered to keep us sub servant. It is working. I don't know of a single person I've spoken with who is willing to stand up to any of the bullshit happening right now. They simply don't want to lose everything that the falsely believe they posses, (see Credit Score).

Believe me, I am as angry as you are. But I can't seem to get those around me to see the truth of what is happening to us. I stand here looking around in amazement at how fucking stupid and complacent we've become. The corporate machine has succeeded in dividing us as a nation, which is one of the first tactics in establishing a fascist government. And look how fucking easy it has been for them to pull it off. Not hard to do in a nation of brain-dead morons who worship competition in the form of retarded athletics. Divisiveness has been bred into us. From the moment we enter the school playground we are taught to "defeat" someone, anyone, in meaningless contests involving a ball.

Now that they have us fighting amongst each other the corporate masters can spread their message through propaganda because, after-all, they own the media. And the brain-dead, fat, uneducated, diseased, and deep-in-debt morons idolize the likes of Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, and what ever other asshole gets air-time with their message of "Patriotism, and Christianity..." All the while, BP, a FOREIGN OWNED CORPORATION is instructing our "Government" to stand aside while this disaster gets exponentially worse, and nothing is being done to stop it. My theory is that for fascism to work effectively, there always has to be either a war, or an environmental disaster to keep the masses in line. This also strengthens what ever corporation is charged with fueling the military, or destroying the environment so that life on this planet can only go on through the purchase of the cure. Well, looks like we're doubly fucked now, and we are no longer being represented by our elected officials. But I can guarantee that BP is being served, (protected).

I'd love to organize a grass-roots movement, one not financed through fascist organizations like Freedom Works, or Halliburton. But an organization whose sole purpose is to fight fascism and truly take back our government. We've become a nation of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporations. The fucking "Supreme Court" has made sure of that. IF I can't find like-minded, intelligent people to share in this plan, then I need to leave this country to it's inevitable demise. Not so much "leave" it, more like escape it...

[Enthusiast]

61. And what we have experienced

illustrates just how out of touch and incorrect the SCOTUS Citizens United decision is.

[me b zola]

62. Me. K&R

[HughMoran]

66. Compared to world wars, the actual Depression, plague, famine etc.

We have just not had the type of disruption that drives people into the streets. Corporations doling out enough decent paying jobs to keep people quiet isn't going to motivate people. Without alternative energy sources that can take up the slack, people are going to look the other way on big oil. It's just the sorry state we're in at this time. Eventually the oil will run out (or a realistic alternative will be developed) and the US of Oil will change it's face. Until then, we're stuck with this shit.

[colsohlibgal]

67. Oh Yeah!

Like the brave pro single payer people who marched into the closed off health care hearing chaired by Herr Baucus, like the in your face Code Pink gals, we have to make it clear that we're mad as Hell and aren't going to take it anymore, we want our country back from the slimy corporate monster.

It will take a lot, the corporate cotrolled media has largely ignored massive rallies and such before - from the left, though anytime 20 tea baggers gather they're all over it.

Maybe, just maybe, enough of the sleepwalkers are being impacted, waking them from their slumber. We'll see. Hopefully what they have done to the Gulf Of Mexico will be a tipping point, this is getting personal for a lot of folks.

Power to the people! They have the money but there are lots more of us!

[lonestarnot]

68. Rome was greedy too.

[femrap]

69. Put your money where

your heart/soul is. Spend wisely. Try to buy products from small companies. It's getting more difficult as these multi-national corporations buy up everything.

And don't buy crap 'Made in China.' Where do you think all of our jobs went? And look how they treat their workers....like shit.

I'm basically on a Non-Consumer Strike. Thrift stores, garage sales are my friends. Farmer Markets are great.

There is a great grocery store in central and northern Ohio...Marc's. Great bargains and lots of the foods are local.

Try to buy from the smaller guy/gal if possible.

How we spend our money is one of our few powers left.

[undeterred]

76. I remember a time 30 years ago when genetics was

rapidly advancing, and the big worry was what the scientists would do, as they were the ones unlocking the secrets. The scientists and engineers have never been the problem. Its the misuse of advances in technology to make money for corporations which seems to be at the core of the problem. That and the mistaken notion that the earth is an infinite resource. Its not.

[jeffrey_X]

77. THANK YOU UNREGULATED CAPITALISM!!!!!!!

eom.

[newspeak]

78. It's called "shock and Awe"

on us. What I thought under "little boots", is that we were being drained dry. Pour loads of money and totally deregulate so they can play their little ponzi schemes--now the perfect venue to unload that cash is WAR. And, the oily greedheads, the war profiteering greedheads can make loads and loads of money off of us. See how that works? Oh, and "little boots" can prance around on TV telling everyone how is first job is to protect us like Big Daddy-notice, not to defend the constitution. Then, when those politicians start lamenting about no more money, they can take away services, like helping poor people, helping the elderly, helping kids. And, for a bonus, they can convince the populace that those corporations, some who got our money in the first place, can do it better, do it cheaper than the government. Which some of us know is pure bollocks!!!!!

And, maybe one day there will be such a marriage between corporations and government, that we won't even have to worry about voting anymore. Now, that's when I'd like to ask Kissinger and poppy-are we in the New World Order yet?