If they can preform this LMRP thing on the oil

[doc03]

well by cutting the pipe and inserting another inside to bring the oil to the surface. Why can't they use one of these or something using the same principle instead and plug the f-----g thing?
http://thepipeplug.com/

[Cattledog]

1. That should be shoved up Tony Hayward's ass!

Before it's tried on the well.

[Duer 157099]

2. You already know the answer n/t

[gristy]

3. I noticed the phrase "non-pressure" at the link. That might be one reason.

Ya think?

[doc03]

6. I just did a quick google and came up with

that one first, I said or similar principle, I know there are ones made for pressure we used them where I worked many times. They can actually "hot tap" a pipe to another pipe without shutting of the flow, we did it all the time where I worked.

[Schema Thing]

4. It's frustrating isn't it, that reality is not like a movie or tv episode?

[Statistical]

5. Pressure

You have an out of control firehose.

Which is easier to do.

Direct the firehose flow (say to a swimming pool)?
Try to cap the firehose while it is still flowing?

Now remember the pressure in the well is about 50x to 200x that of a firehose.

[doc03]

7. It can be done, You would have a outer collar go into the pipe

and expand against the sides then an inner insert closes off and seals the pipe. I am sure such things exist. We have 36" water pipes where I work and we can actually "hot tap" the pipe to add a new branch without shutting off the pressure.

[doc03]

8. Here is some more pipe plugs that would work or

I am sure one could be designed to work.
http://www.trelleborg.com/upload/PDFs/Products/Pipeplugs/Pipeplugs_Trelleborg.pdf

[Statistical]

9. Wrong magnitude

The catalog contains products designed for a working pressure in dozens of psi. The pressure of well is at least tens of thousands of psi. Could be as high as 100,000 psi.

To put it into perspective a water main is in the order of 200psi with burst pressure of maybe 800 psi.
Main coolant loop in a nuclear reactor is about 800psi. Hydrolic system in ultra heavy industrial equipment (like 100 ton steel forge) might be 1000-2000 psi.

We are talking a whole order of magnitude higher than the highest pressure systems designed by man.

Even worse the flow is already in progress. Containing tens of thousands of static psi is hard enough but any insert attempt will have to overcome tens of thousands of psi under flow.

The relief well is essentially a giant "mud plug". However it is a plug that essentially is a cylinder 6 miles by 2 feet in diameter. Heavy drilling mud has density of about 80 lbs per cubic foot.
6 miles = ~30,000 feet * Pi * 1^2 = ~100,000 cubic feet.
That is 8 million pounds weighing down on the oil.

[doc03]

10. I find it extremely hard to believe 100,000 PSI

The boiler pressure at the biggest coal fired power plants in this area is around 2500 to 3000 PSI, at about 3000º F I have heard. Even if you are right about 100,000 PSI they obviously make pipes and valves to control it so they should be able to produce something to plug a leak. They plug leaks on live steam couplings where I work frequently.

[BeFree]

11. Same here

BP should know the answer to the pressure coming out of the well and Obama's people should be able to tell us what it is, but they haven't. They like feeding us bullshit and keeping us in the dark, like mushrooms.

[doc03]

12. I just read in another post BP claims the well

head is designed for 10000 PSI. I heard yesterday the mudd had to be pumped at 5000 PSI at the surface in order to overcome the oil pressure. You add the head pressure of .433 pounds per foot @ 5280 feet = 2286 lbs. and you would have a pressure of 7286 PSI at the well head.

[BeFree]

13. Read that seawater at one mile is 2335 psi

If hole pressure is 10,000 there would be a dif of 7,665 lbs.

The plume out of the pipe doesn't look like 7,665, looks more like 1,000. But that is just a guess.

[doc03]

14. Exactly, I heard they were pumping the mud at 5000 PSI

you add the head pressure from a column of water 5280 feet you get 7286 PSI. The difference would be 2714 PSI at the very most if the well head is designed for 10000 PSI.