WTF!? A 'fantasy league' to draft girls &, unbeknownst to them, score points for sexual encounters

[Are_grits_groceries]

It was set up like a fantasy football league draft. The height, weight and performance statistics of the draftees were offered to decide who would make the cut and who would emerge as the No. 1 pick.

But the players in this predatory game were not famous N.F.L. stars. They were unwitting girls about to start high school.

A group of soon-to-be freshmen boys at Landon, an elite private grade school and high school for boys in the wealthy Washington suburb of Montgomery County, Md., was drafting local girls.

One team was called “The Southside Slampigs,” and one boy dubbed his team with crude street slang for drug-addicted prostitutes.

The young woman who was the “top pick” was described by one of the boys in a team profile he put up online as “sweet, outgoing, friendly, willing to get down and dirty and party. Coming in at 90 pounds, 5’2 and a bra size 34d.” She would be a special asset to the team, he noted, because her mother “is quite the cougar herself.”

Before they got caught last summer, the boys had planned an “opening day party,” complete with T-shirts, where the mission was to invite the drafted girls and, unbeknownst to them, score points by trying to rack up as many sexual encounters with the young women as possible.

There's more: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/09/opinion/09dowd.html?ref=opinion

I hope the parents of those girls stomp the shite out of some people in some way. All the parents should.

[madokie]

1. I would

I dont' have any girls but I do have a grand daughter

[DrDan]

2. with the role models these boys have in DC, who is surprised . . .

male conquests are rewarded . . . .

sex and war . . . that's the ticket

[LiberalLoner]

3. This is becoming a big part of our culture now, sadly enough - boys are

growing up to see women as objects to be abused and treated as disposable whores, and the worst part is, girls are growing up to see themselves the same way and see nothing wrong in how the boys are treating them. They learn about relationships through porn and think that it's normal to slap, punch, choke and otherwise injure and degrade girls.

[Jim__]

4. Landon is an all boy school?

Given our culture, this type of behavior from 8th grade boys is not really shocking - sad, but not shocking. But, if these boys are isolated from girls in their school, I can't help but wonder if they went to school with girls, might they be more apt to see them as people?

[smoogatz]

5. Teenage boys have always talked trash about teenage girls.

At least this is kind of inventive, in a pathetic, wankery way. Creepy, but inventive.

[seabeyond]

14. some boys/men do, just as some whites are racist. many boys/men don't. why?

because they have learned self respoect and respecting others. they know it is poor behavior and choose not to play that game.

[tigereye]

6. there was a nasty rating list of girls at a local high school a few years back-

it caused a huge furor. A friend of mine showed me a copy. It was pretty disturbing.

[Kalyke]

7. Groan...

When will this shit stop? I'm so tired of hearing about males treating females as objects.

[JoeyT]

67. When someone in these groups is willing to tell the rest of the group off over it.

I think that's going to be what it takes.
Generally misogynists will back off this sort of shit pretty quickly when confronted by another guy.

[seabeyond]

68. "when confronted by another guy." that is the key. they are doing it for their buddies anyway

this is what i am trying to impress on my sons. because they dont believe, or think, or feel, or talk, or behave this way, is not good enough.

they need to speak up. other guys will follow.

[JoeyT]

69. Yep.

I've been telling guys that not demeaning women isn't enough for years. To support women's rights we HAVE to speak up to other men.
I was raised to speak up to other guys and I never had a problem with them getting violent when talked to about it. (Well, not as a teenager. As an adult I've had some get pretty pissed.) Typically there are about 20% actual honest to goodness misogynists that really do hate women and see them as nothing more than property or conquests. The rest are just going along with it to fit in. And the sooner they see there are other ways of thinking about women, the better.

[seabeyond]

72. 20% actual honest to goodness misogynists ... i think so too

thank you joeyT. thank you for your perspective,speaking out and thank you for sharing it on the board.

[Jester Messiah]

8. As if groups of girls haven't used male conquests to track status...

This article only reflects one side of the coin that is the reality of teenage relationships in modern America.

[Tunkamerica]

70. exactly. there are lists made by highschool girls. exactly the same.

And this was 15 years ago. Not new, slightly different because of the fantasy football theme. But old hat.

[Evasporque]

9. African American Youth HIV infection rates are appaling...

The culture of young male "playas" seducing 12,13 and 14 year old girls is sickening.

No class...

[Johonny]

10. remember SEX IS EVIL

[Kalyke]

13. Remember: Using and abusing people and treating them as objects is EVIL

This has nothing to do with healthy sexual relationships, which are not evil as long as no one is hurting someone else.

[LiberalLoner]

16. Well said, thank you. n/t

[seabeyond]

66. +1. nt

[Tailormyst]

26. Treating young women as pawns in a sick game is evil

[Hello_Kitty]

51. Because treating girls and women like walking fuckholes = SEX

You've got a messed up idea of sex, bud.

[GreenPartyVoter]

54. No, but sexism is.

[FLPanhandle]

11. Nothing new.

Hell, wayyyyy back in the olden days when I was in college the guys in the dorms would all chip in money at the beginning of each semester with it all going to the person who had the highest number of partners that semester.

People informally tracked the easiest women and targeted them for quick points. These guys just have done it more formally.

I bet if you went back to the Roman times, teen boys were doing something similiar.

[Kalyke]

12. Does that make it right?

Uh... no.

[Matariki]

31. Isn't it funny and ironic how the goal was to be "the easiest guy"?

And what I mean by that is that the subtext of contempt for women that had a lot of partners stands in stark contrast to the sense of heroics bestowed upon boys looking to achieve the same thing.

I've always hoped that wretched double standard would disappear.

[FLPanhandle]

56. IMHO, that double standard will never disappear.

Simple fact of teenage male ego.

A woman with many partners will generally be valued less. It's simple teenage male ego. There is nothing special about sex with a woman who sleeps with lots of guys. A woman who has high standards and is extremely selective means that the guy has passed a "high bar".

Mature guys are confident enough to see past that to some degree.

[seabeyond]

59. the fragile male ego that must always be stroked. or.... the mature confident boy/man doesnt need

it.

yup

[FLPanhandle]

61. To be fair, teen girl egos are fragile too.

Many teens are looking for external validation and as they mature into adults it's not as important.

[seabeyond]

64. i agree and disagree.

yes girls/women ego is fragile and we readily admit it and are lectured on it. when ego comes up for girls/women, we are told to suck it up, we dont have the confidence, are jealous or any number of things that point us to more shame, unless we shut the fuck up.

on the other hand, male ego is coddled, we are told to stroke, we are told to be careful of it, we are told how vulnerable they are, we are told to suck that up too. we are always suppose to be aware of male fragility, without ever mentioning male fragility as we all pretend there is no male fragility yet utterly protecting that male fragility.

[Berry Cool]

15. Anyone remember the Spur Posse?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spur_Posse

Those boys got to do the talk shows and become temporarily famous for treating girls like crap.

It's been a consistent attitude throughout history and it's only getting worse: that women exist only for men to conquer.

[LiberalLoner]

18. Conquer and then throw away. Maybe they will start mounting female heads on the wall

like a hunting trophy. I wouldn't doubt that will start happening soon, given the increasing violence and misogyny I'm seeing.

[Gaedel]

71. Nailng up their underwear over your bed in the frat house? nt

[salguine]

75. I remember one of the girls' fathers saying,

could put five bullets into each of their heads, and then go sit down to dinner."

[asdjrocky]

17. These are rich prep school kids.

They don't play by the same rules as the rest of us.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

20. bullshit...

teenage boys all play a game dominated by hormone driven idiocy...

sP

[pipi_k]

25. Well, in defense of lots of teenaged boys and young men...

Lately I've been considering my past relationships with boys and men, and was struck by the relatively good feeling that I've actually known some VERY good boys and men.

Yes, there were the occasional shitheads, but for the most part, many of them were very polite, and very respectful of me as a female...sometimes far beyond their young years.

I marvel at how many of them could have taken advantage of my painful vulnerability years ago, but they didn't.


I'm proud to have known them. :)

[ProdigalJunkMail]

27. while I am glad you had those relationships

and they did not take advantage of you, it does not mean the boy-men were not struggling with the same crap these kids who put this game together are. We all make stupid decisions in our teen years...some of course worse than others. teaching respect can help...but sometimes the pressures just overwhelm...and I don't just mean hormones...but the pressure to fit...go along with and even lead the pack.

these kids will likely turn out ok...provided their parents and mentors show them the errors of this activity.

sP

[seabeyond]

73. pressures just overwhelm...and I don't just mean hormones...

i think this is a lot of it. and it is all about societal conditioning of what a man is.... that is warped.

[asdjrocky]

30. Not all teenage boys do this.

Some are taught better by their parents.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

32. nope...they don't

but, they all struggle with a lot of issues...it doesn't matter if they are rich prep school boys or boys in your run-of-the-mill public school. they all deal with the same flood of hormones and desires (and not all of them are just sexual in nature but peer driven as well) and some of them make bad choices. my parents taught me very well...and to this day i am thankful for it...but i made some choices that took me a long time to overcome. that doesn't mean the effort wasn't made by them nor does that mean they were failures...far from it...

sP

[seabeyond]

35. there were always some boys and still men that behave this way. there were always more boys

and more men that dont.

it is respect. you learn it or you dont. it isnt even natural. the boys have to learn to treat girls like this. from the men in our society.

a lot of boys would be equally offended to be told treating girls like cheap pieces of meat is offensive to them.

why do some our men today work so hard to breate their gender in the ugliest of manners, and cheer it, i wonder.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

42. respect is indeed taught

and in most cases indirectly. i learned respect from watching the way my father treated my mother and his mother. but i was fortunate. my dad would have beaten me senseless for disrespecting mom and by extension other women. i was also not allowed much access to television (and I was too busy for much of it anyway). the young men of today are treated to such a barrage of crap about who and what women are and how to respect and treat them (and really how to treat or respect ANYONE) that it is no surprise that this happens. and it IS a mistake on their part. due to upbringing or peer pressure or hormones or the million other things that plague teenagers. this is a learning moment for them. from here we get to see their character and growth (or lack thereof). they shouldn't be given a pass on their behaviour...but they should be given a chance to grow out of it...

sP

[seabeyond]

46. this post is right on. last year, i spent a year watching highschool kids interact.

i thought a lot about this. i did a lot of listening, watching, observing. my son is a freshman. so many of the behaviors men say is just part of who they are, was not there for the young boys. it is taught. it is learned. i saw more proper behavior, treating the girls as people, during this horny teenage time, than i watch grown men behave. my son has been filling me in on his experience and what he sees with others. he is very candid. it has been totally informative. getting beyond the conditioned and expected, and seeing the reality of it all.

boys horny? girls horny? sure. and kids can be all that, respecting each other, too.

[EnviroBat]

22. I think they are like the schools portrayed on "The Secret Life of the Amercian Teenager"

One of the most God damn pieces of crap television ever produced. Our teenage daughter was watching it the other night when I got home from work. After 5 minutes of it I wanted to puke. And it's on ABC Family, "A New Kind of Family". Bullshit. The show glorifies sexual encounters as a measure of popularity and success. All the girls, (teenagers, mind you) look like mid-twenties hookers, straight out of the porn industry. The dialog and acting are less than amateurish, and pathetic.

But hey, this is what passes for television these days...

[Echo In Light]

24. You got it

[ProdigalJunkMail]

28. their money has nothing whatever to do with it

and saying so doesn't make it so. they are teenage boys...you can find the same shit in public schools...and worse.

sP

[Echo In Light]

34. Probably. Although I attended 3 different high schools prior to dropping out..

... and never once heard of anything like that. I did know some girls who'd probably beat the shit outta any boy that might try to coax them via such a ruse, though :)

[ProdigalJunkMail]

37. i taught in a high school where stuff like this went on

and i assure you it was no private school. this is just one more in a laundry list of stupid choices made by young men...boys. and yes, that does not mean that they don't need to have the shit beaten out of them... ;-)

sP

[seabeyond]

39. no, it isnt just private school. but it is just a small amount of boys that havent been taught well

any better than the kid that is a bigot or a homophobic or a snob or anything else.

[Echo In Light]

41. Oh, I'm sure. But it isn't much of a reach to suggest kids @private schools have lives tailored....

... toward a life of "privilege," whereby "favors" are ensured to cover for any wrong doing ...which, using corporate america for the model, it again isn't much of a stretch to assume a great deal of 'superior' attitudes impacting the obvious cliques/favoritism that occurs within all social systems

[seabeyond]

44. i am a part of that group, in the area i am in. i see a lot of reason why it is as it is.

i see the young boys and girls behavior that create this. i see the parents that have taught this to their kids, and it is clear why the kids are what they are. i was thinking about it like yesterday, trying to get kids to go to club to use pool. we have membership and they dont use, because of this group of kids.

you are right, it is there in this economic class.

my boys are a part of the group.... yet cannot become a part of the group because they are not that. hard to explain. it is such a disgustingly interesting concept we have lived with for too long in this area.

these arent good people.

i also see way more in this group that dont do this, arent this.

but i also see it in the lower income group too. i probably see it least in middle income. it is all in the environment they are in, being taught respect for one another.

[GreenPartyVoter]

58. I can remember being utterly shocked back in the early 90s when a teenager I knew

and worked with (I was her supervisor at a babysitting program) confided in me about a train she had pulled at a party. I had zero clue this was going on in my brother's (and others') class.

We grew up in a rural, not well-to-do area. Nary a prep in sight.

The only real difference in my story and the one in the OP is the girls in the OP had no idea this was going on. In my story this was about a girl (several girls) who seemed to desperately want to score points. (And she was not in any way someone I would have suspected of hang low self-esteem. Maybe she didn't before her party experiences, but she most definitely did afterwards based on our conversation.)

[lutefisk]

62. It's part of their socialization into the "Predator Class", aka, the Republican party

Who knows, some of these little bastards are likely paying tuition with some of that Republican Iraq money. Tuition alone is nearly $30k.

[Missy Vixen]

19. Adult men have been doing this in Seattle for years now

It's called the Bigger Dance. These guys may not score with the women in their "brackets", but there have been local women featured.

http://www.kjram.com/pages/bracketology_page.html

[Kalyke]

60. I'd sue.

Seriously - I'm sure these local women aren't public officials or public figures, so defamation of character is easy to prove.

Putting a woman up on a board like that without her permission is the same is labeling her as an easy mark - which is libelous in my book.

[Missy Vixen]

65. The local women on the board

are typically TV personalities or public figures. The station in question probably was advised by counsel to not pick anyone who wasn't.

Imagine the announcers' shock when at least one of the local women on their "bracket" refused to be featured on the station.

[pipi_k]

21. Not surprised, and I have to wonder

if the people who are so shocked and disgusted by this are thinking that those of us who aren't shocked really believe we think it's "right".

Of course it's not right!!!

Nobody is saying that it is.


But really...those of us who have been around a while aren't shocked. This sort of sleaze has been going on forever. It will keep going on as long as humans occupy this planet.

Boys and men with no sense of honor will continue to find ways to denigrate women. They'll use whatever technology is available to do it.

Sometimes it's a matter of bad upbringing.

Sometimes it's a matter of a personality disorder.


Change the causes, and it will stop...simple as that.

[seabeyond]

40. when grown men buy into it as simple male passage of teens, they are feeding the problem

reality is, most boys dont behave this way. to continually suggest the male is the very worst of who he is, with a badge of honor, hurts both genders.

it isnt a matter of not recognizing the existence of. it is a matter of condoning, or validating or excusing the behavior with all boys... that bothers so many posters on this thread.

[Echo In Light]

23. Fortunately our daughter isn't attracted to sociopaths & a-holes, & doesn't value what they do

She already has a very sharp eye for discerning personality types and common attitudes

[ProdigalJunkMail]

29. then you have done you job...

and done it well...

sP

[Echo In Light]

33. Thanks

[seabeyond]

38. most girls that are raised to have self respect and worth identify these boys

and see them for the trash they are.

good for your daughter.

i have always been around boys and men that would never even consider behaving this way. to have grown men on this thread see it as merely a passage of being a male says a whole lot.

[trayfoot]

36. I believe this is the same school......

that George Huguely attended - the guy who killed Yeardley Love.

[lukasahero]

63. That is mentioned in the article posted. eom

[Initech]

43. People suck. That's all I can say.

[seabeyond]

47. some people. i dont even like people and i can say, most i experience do not suck, lol. nt

[FLAprogressive]

45. Wow. What a bunch of douchebags. I think Landon needs to revamp their sex ed curriculum.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

48. Meh.

[Name removed]

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[KittyWampus]

49. Ah, but according to a lot of DU'ers this is just fun/games amongst hormone ridden teens.

If you disagree, you're a prude.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

50. if you're speaking to my posts in this thread then

you might want to read a little more closely...if not...then ignore this message...

sP

[LeftinOH]

52. Landon: Republican breeding ground; the creep who murdered a UVA coed recently is a Landon alum..

-and *surprise!* ou don't have to look far to find the words "generous donor to the Republican party".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeardley_Love#George_Huguely

[stevenleser]

55. This isn't so much a men/boys-women/girls issue, it is an entitlement issue

People who feel entitled to treat others with callous disrespect will do this with sex interests, love interests, job interests, political interests, etc.

It strikes me that children of priviledge will probably be more likely to behave this way, but that there will be some percentage of kids all across the spectrum that do this. There are a fair amount of women I have encountered who also feel entitled to treat everyone badly.

[seabeyond]

57. couldnt agree with you more. exactly how i see it. nt

[dorkulon]

74. BREAKING: Boys want to have sex with girls, may not respect them as human beings

Aside from the oddly formalized nature of this, it's just what happens in high school. Also, hoping the parents "stomp the shite out of some people in some way" has be be the most vague wish for violence I've ever heard.