Cindy Sheehan May Run for US Congress in 2008

[babylonsister]

http://www.atlantaprogressivenews.com/news/0156.html

Cindy Sheehan May Run for US Congress in 2008

By Matthew Cardinale, News Editor, Atlanta Progressive News (May 10, 2007)

(APN) ATLANTA – Renowned antiwar activist Cindy Sheehan is considering a run for US Congress in 2008, Atlanta Progressive News has learned in the process of interviewing Sheehan about her upcoming rally in Washington, DC, this Mothers’ Day weekend. Sheehan became an activist in 2004 after her son, Casey, was killed during the US Invasion of Iraq.

“I’m on the National Board for the Progressive Democrats of America and they’re really trying to talk me into running for a Congressional Seat in 2008. It’s almost getting to the time to make my mind up by now. I do have the name recognition. I still can’t make my mind up on whether it would hurt the movement,” Sheehan told APN in a phone interview.

On the one hand, Sheehan feels she is already effective as a grassroots leader and does not know whether she would be more effective in Congress.

On the other hand, Sheehan sees that many in Congess don’t seem to be listening to reason.

“They have their own agenda. They need to realize their agenda has to be our agenda,” Sheehan said.

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[johncoby2]

1. Oh geez.

Please don't.

[ComerPerro]

4. that's what I'm thinking, lol

[proud2BlibKansan]

51. She would be AWESOME!!

She is brilliant and charming and very charismatic.

She is hopefully coming to KC this summer and you will get to meet her and you'll see what I mean.

That said, I am hoping she does not run, as she is doing so much good in the peace movement. I would hate to lose her.

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[proud2BlibKansan]

120. I take it you haven't met her

But surely if you continue your own efforts to end the occupation of Iraq, you will get to meet her soon. Then you will see what a wonderful person she is. :)

[youngdem]

5. Seconded.

She exhausts me, and she does the cause little good.

She has EVERY right to do what she wants - if it wasn't her right before it sure as shit is after the sacrifice of her son...

BUT, for my own personal tastes, I think she is a TERRIBLE ambassador for the Left. She is shrill, inarticulate and doesn't have a thing to point to for all of her 'work'.

In fact, in becoming the face of the anti-war mothers, I am sure she has run more moderate voices in the crowd of affected families off from speaking out, lest they be equivocated with Ms. Sheehan and her occassional foot in mouth disease. This is bad for the cause, because it makes the anti-war movement seem further to the Left than it is because she is such a constant, loud voice.

Again though, I have every sympathy for her and her loss, but speaking in the larger context of what is good for the Left? She ISN'T in a leadership post.

[dannofoot]

132. Many moons ago...

...My very first OP exactly echoed your thoughts...this was probably one year ago.

The flames I endured were intense, and many posters called on the mods to tombstone me immediately. I was a troll, a disruptor, etc., etc. Thankfully, a mod of objective and thoughtful disposition got me through it (okay, hint: intials SS).

Since that time, many, many more DU members have realized that while Cindy Sheehan has every right to do and say what she does, she is quite often a detriment to reaching the average American regarding the politics of the Iraq war. She simply does not connect with America; I will not attempt to surmise whether it is her words, actions, demeanor, or whatever that prohibits this. She doesn't, though, plain and simple.

If she did, as many still claim, there would be many people still behind her as a movement. There are not. Several thousand, even tens of thousand is not effective in a nation of 300 million.

Being against the Iraq debacle does automatically put one in the same mindset as Cindy Sheehan; it simply means we share one idea. I share some ideas with Libertarians and Republicans; it doesn't mean that I am supporting their parties.

[MADem]

7. I'm with your group.

It's unhelpful.

Isn't she from a rather GOP district? All it would do is give the corporate media a shitload of fodder.

[tammywammy]

88. ditto

[Greeby]

2. Umm, what district would this be and who is there now?

:shrug:

[tmlanders]

3. Who is the incumbent in her district?

If it is a Repub I say go for it...

[BrotherBuzz]

19. Barbara Lee

If Cindy wants my support, she better move to another district. :shrug:

[proud2BlibKansan]

52. She is registered to vote in Texas.

[BrotherBuzz]

55. That info is new to me

Last time I talked with her she had just moved to Berkeley.

LOTS of target districts in Texas, no? :evilgrin:

[proud2BlibKansan]

56. She bought her land there last summer

She is on the road so much I am not sure where her legal residence is. But she did tell us that she was registering to vote in Crawford.

[BrotherBuzz]

60. She opted to register in Texas rather then vote absentee in California...

sounds like her legal residence has changed.

That, or perhaps the Texas races were simply more exciting than the slam-dunk California races. :shrug:

[NoPasaran]

71. If she's registered in Crawford

Then that would be Chet Edward's district. Her chances of winning? I'm going to say zero.

[liberalnurse]

91. Makes sense to me....

She can move to a target District....anywhere in the country actually. I suggest Ohio's 2nd District....go up against Mean Jean Schmidt!

I think Victoria Wulsick( spelling error here), already said she was going to run against her again but heck, I like the thoughts...

[bluedog]

6. is this Feinstein district?

from article
Sheehan, who considered a US Senate run in 2006 against US Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), said she isn’t sure yet which seat she would run for, because she has ties to several locations.

She has a home in California, but also has “resided” in Crawford, Texas, during her many demonstrations outside President Bush’s ranch. Therefore she has options.

[MADem]

8. Feinstein represents the whole state...I thought she lived in one of those Orange County towns..

I also don't think TX would leap out of their asses to recognize her "residency." Does she have an address, a driver's license, community ties? They'd challenge her in TX.

That said, I think it's a horrible idea. YMMV.

[ronnykmarshall]

9. Cindy lives in Northern California

I think Vacaville.

[proud2BlibKansan]

53. I think her legal residence is now Texas.

[bluedog]

11. it would be Feinstein i believe.......cindy thinks so

Sheehan She said yesterday that she's strongly considering challenging Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein because the lawmaker will not support calls to immediately bring the troops home.

http://cbs2.com/topstories/local_story_028130603.html


unless shes has moved since '06

[ronnykmarshall]

15. No, that is incorrect.

Dianne is not up for re-election until 2012. Cindy is looking at the House of Reps, not the Senate.

[onenote]

17. Sounds like Cindy needs to do her homework

She'd have a hell of a time challenging Feinstein in 2008 since Feinstein isn't up for reelection until 2012.

[MADem]

21. And if she's going for a House seat, good luck knocking Barbara Lee out of the ring.

She wouldn't like being one of 435 anyway. Or one of 100. And that's assuming she could be elected, which is a huge assumption. I can't imagine a district in the entire nation that would elect her, frankly.

[BrotherBuzz]

28. California's 6th district (includes Marin County) might be her only hope

Tons of progressive anti-war soccer Moms reside there.

[MADem]

30. If there's a hope in hell of getting a seat there,she's not the candidate who will win the primary

Howard Dean will put someone up in the primary who will knock her out of the ring. Someone well funded, personable, appealing, charismatic, who isn't Hugo-hugging and hanging around with a bunch of disrupters in pink.

She'll only run unopposed in a district that is hopeless. And she won't run to win, she'll run to get media time.

That's my opinion..YMMV.

[BrotherBuzz]

35. Snowball's chance in hell that Sheehan could unseat the progressive Lynn Woolsey

I'm just saying that the 6th district has the demographics that Cindy needs.

[BrotherBuzz]

16. Cindy moved from Vacaville (north of SF) - 10th district represented by Ellen Tauscher (D)

to Berkeley - 9th district represented by the wonderful Barbra Lee.

[piesRsquare]

82. Cindy Sheehan moved to Berkeley?

She's making money!

[BrotherBuzz]

92. A single person sharing housing in Berkeley might have a lower overhead...

than a couple strapped to a mortgage, and kids living at home in Vacaville. While Berkeley may have an implied status that overshadows Cow Town (Vacaville), it ain't exactly Pacific Heights or Atherton, either. I have no idea how Cindy's doing financially, but I hope she's making some dough these days, what with her book, talking engagements, and all.

[proud2BlibKansan]

112. No

[Cleita]

10. Maybe she'll run in my district.

We need a high profile anti-war candidate who can beat the corrupt Republican incumbent. My district is the 22nd one in California. If you are reading this Cindy, think about it.

[ronnykmarshall]

13. THAT would be SWEET!

Don't you have the lovely Kevin McCarthy? Good god! From Bill Thomas to that jerk.

Ya you what's interesting, one of the co-founders of "Gold Star Parents" is from Atascadero. My step-mom knows him.

I don't think Cindy would have a snowballs chance with the voters in Bakersfield (except my parents), but there are more progressives and liberal in SLO county.

[Cleita]

22. I don't know about Bakersfield being that hard to win over.

These guys at The Village News http://villagenews.weblogger.com/
hated Bill Thomas. Look at what they wrote about him:
http://villagenews.weblogger.com/billThomas

So far they haven't been following McCarthy, but ole Kevin has voted against the Iraq funding bill the Democrats passed that Bush vetoed. I think Cindy would have the financial backing and fire in her belly to beat Kevin, not to mention every one knows her. Since I have the same surname I have been asked by people here in SLO if I'm related to her. I'm not but everyone I talk to calls her a very brave woman. I think she would play well, here on the coast anyway.

Candidate Sharon Beery from the last election, whom I consider a friend and who also was very anti-war, didn't raise enough money to beat all the PAC money Kevin got, wasn't well-known and didn't communicate her anti-war message as well as she should have.

[Jim Warren]

12. This was hinted at

when I saw Cindy a couple of months ago. I hope she does, how could she be any worse that what we got now? At least she has convictions and is ready to go to the wall for them. Go for it Cindy,

[Cha]

96. Really!~ Cindy Sheehan is one

amazing mother!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. Good for her. I'd vote for her in a heartbeat. To hell with politics as usual.

[Cults4Bush]

18. wow didnt realize so many hate Cindy at DU now

spending the nights in that fucking ditch in crawford... I was there sleeping in the ditch... crazy freepy guys with guns... and assholes on bikes, drunk truck drivers, threats threats threats... 105 degree heat in the shade, rattlesnakes, scorpions and spiders.

Sorry folks hate on her all you want and harp about how awful she is because she isnt exactly perfect for your idea of some Democratic peace leader or that you feel she might chase moderates away (have you thought about how many moderates have chased away solid progs??, Im sure you dont care). Think she goes to far left?? remember how the moderates chased her there because they didnt want to believe what she said, Hils infamous I think the waris going fine moment.(moderates over the last six years are not the moderates of the previous 6 years thats for fact not when the measuring line has moved so far right).

I dont agree with everything she says... but I will always empathize not sympathize with her. I will always envy her perseverance because she has battled through the long haul despite attacks from the left, right and center shrouded in the "I feel bad for her but.." BS. I will always always admire her courage because she was speaking out when almost no other Mothers of the fallen would and I was there in that ditch in a town in a state where a large chunk of the populace would have been happy to hang me, her and almost every anti war person in the US at the time as traitors and terrorist supporters.

Id give my lfe for hers... I can think of less than a dozen elected officials Id honestly do that for.

... but whatever.. I am sure you dont care.


a quick edit to say.. Im sorry if this comes off at all reactionary or mean spirited .. I dont mean any disrespect, just to say that I think most attacks on Cindy are partisan, Party and agenda driven.

[dogday]

20. Apparently Cindy and Code Pink have out lived their usefulness..

I don't like to say that, but that is how I see it... As long as Republicans were running the show, it was acceptable, but now that Democrats are in power, the same message is no longer accepted.

Thing is now the Democrats are in power and there is literally no change and so they protest whoever holds the power...

I want change, I voted for change, and I support any group or individual out there who is fighting for that change.

[Jim Warren]

23. I'm not sure I get your point

Sorry, no disrespect.

Are you saying it is the current prevailing attitude that is finding Cindy's message out of favor or your current feeling?

[dogday]

26. I support Cindy and Code Pink and their efforts

to end this war... I supported them then, and I still support them...

[Cleita]

25. You know it's the Code Pink ladies who keep the political rallies

candlelight vigils, and protests going in my county. Thank God for them and the work they do. They are true patriots and I don't appreciate anyone putting them down.

[dogday]

27. Me neither... They are trying to stop the war

and I am the Mother of a Soldier who has served in Iraq and I hope he won't have to go back....

[Cults4Bush]

95. Right there with you on that.

I think Medea Benjamin is an incredible activist... and very down to Earth like Cindy as well.

[Cults4Bush]

94. It most certainly does feel that way.

Keep heart though and LOL... Id follow Symbolmans advice about not useing "hate", it may take more words to accurately describe who and what we are talking about but it does provide them less ammunition to slander her as well as her supporters.

[MADem]

24. Just because some people think she's a lousy candidate, too extremist, too divisive, when we have a

shot at all three branches, doesn't translate to "HATE." Hate requires strong emotion. I think she was very effective when she was mourning the death of her son and protesting the war, and much less effective--dare I say LAME--when she pranced around hugging Hugo and going all over the page about issues that were unrelated to the continuation of the conflict in Iraq.

She had credibility when she talked about a mother's pain, less, when she started trying to be a foreign policy expert. Worse, she started to believe her own publicity.

You probably should realize that not everything in the world is binary--one can actually think someone SUCKS as a candidate and not "hate" them.

[Cults4Bush]

34. How cute!

LMAO!! wonderfully adorable dressed up BS! Hate.. hmm ok... not hate intensely dislike her enough to say things like pranced around hugging Hugo (big fucking deal! that does not make her stance on the war any different).. also realize that she use dto be very apolitical, she got pushed to the hard left .

I note the appearance that you are agenda driven enough to say she was only good during her mourning period!

Come her honey something Id like to whisper real slow and low in your ear.


(... do you honestly think she is ever going to stop grieving??.. for a war that is the epitomy of war crimes? No honor to be had except for what the mother can do to end it? That was the most insensitive thing I have read in a very long time... so I will leave your little I dont hate her but I cant use her exactly the way I want to anymore since I dont see her grieving the way she needs to argument here. I know you wont believe it but you just proved my point... and Im sure you dont care.

[MADem]

41. Keep spinning and spitting, I don't really care. Your mileage varies,

we KNOW. Boy, do we KNOW.

Go ahead, though. ... make a few more baseless allegations against me...get them all out at once, now. Get righteously indignant, too.

Uh, the only one challenging her 'grieving' here is YOU, with your horseshit-strawman question.

Reading is fundamental.

:boring:

[rinsd]

47. "she got pushed to the hard left" By whom?

Could it be there are elements of the left that saw the perfect vehicles for other themes beyond the War in Iraq who saw to it to use Sheehan?

Considering the Free Mummia stuff at rallies billed Anti-Iraq War, it wouldn't shock me.

[Cults4Bush]

100. Oh hey !

I agree with you there and I dont think there is any "could it be" about it. It cuts both ways and the bulk of the Cindy errrmmm intense disliking Ive witnessed for a few years here is because more self proclaimed moderate types and those who seemingly put party heroes above all others go after her because she doesnt behave exactly the way they think she should and quite frankly there is a level of hypocrisy there that doesnt sit well at all with me and many others. Im sure you know that though rinsd :).. good to see you.

[LSK]

49. she was apolitical until her son got killed in Iraq

That kinda pushes people, dont you think?

[Cults4Bush]

101. A'yep

though in much of hwat was going on.. I think she was just exploring and learning...well.. politics as has been making her journey. Cindy today is a lot more on point.

What I dont understand is people wanting her to just shut up and only focus on war when war is begat by so many other causes. that was the purpose of several excursions outside the realm of the war but well.. I dont want to fan flames for others to jump on.

You know what I mean Im sure anyways, peace to you :)

[EFerrari]

58. Do you mean, when she exercised her right as a citizen

to think and to express her opinion on BushCo's horrible foreign policy she became an inconvenient woman?

And how do you know what she "believes"? Are you in contact with her?

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[EFerrari]

65. I try to remember that we've been subjected to six years of

authoritarian rule amplified by the noise machine, aka, our "free press".

We need to go back for regrooving, to remember that dissent is our right, perhaps our duty at some times.

And, Go, Cindy!

[proud2BlibKansan]

69. But when they start in on

criticizing Midge for her sexuality - here on DU - I have a hard time remembering that.

[EFerrari]

74. Yeah, that's pretty disgusting. Me, too. n/t

[Cults4Bush]

102. what are you speaking of?

criticizing someone for their sexuality? at DU? No Im not being sarcastic... Im stunned. Can you point me towards a thread or something without getting into trouble?

[proud2BlibKansan]

113. Here - from yesterday; it's a trend now

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=27952&mesg_id=27964

[Cults4Bush]

115. Unreal!!

I mean fine if you dont like code pink (Im always amazed at the people who cant stand a group or person because they dont do exactly what that person thinks they should be...and then they'll give their favorite senator or rep a pass all the time.... they'll give their party endless chances), but be a tranvestite protester in pink and oh my youre somehow responsible for prolonging the war. Being TG myself I found the surrounding BS excuses of "distraction" to be completely repulsive.

the big tent gets a little more smaller every time the hypocrisy becomes self evident.

...and thankies for the link. :) peace to you

[MADem]

70. Wow, that was lame. Who's talking about her beliefs? I'm talking about

how she is perceived and her credibility. And sorry, I'm reflecting the opinion of the majority, even if you don't care for that view.

I have a right as a citizen to express my views too--or is that too inconvenient for you, regardless of gender?

The only one calling her an "inconvenient woman" here is YOU. Yet another "strawman defense."

:boring:

Feel free to worship at her altar.

Don't insist I do the same.

[proud2BlibKansan]

72. Not asking you to worship her

Just to show some respect. And you have yet to do so.

[MADem]

76. Why don't you show those with a dissenting VIEW a little respect, huh?

For once in your life.

No one here is dissing the woman personally, they are disagreeing with her VIEWS and OPINIONS on ISSUES, and her method of protest.

You surely cannot be so dull of comprehension that you cannot divine the difference. Yet you pretend people are attacking her personally, when they aren't.

And you go on and on with faux drama, and rally your buddies to do a beat down of anyone who isn't an acolyte.

If anyone's tossing the HATE/INTOLERANCE themes around, it's you. You're doing it on this very thread. And your whole "schtick" of playing the outrage card when someone doesn't share your mindless adoration of the woman is getting, dare I say, rather old.

Your bullying is childish, and it isn't appreciated. It isn't working, either.

People do have a right to a differing opinion, even if it hurts your little feelings.

:boring:

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[EFerrari]

75. You did.

"Worse, she started to believe her own publicity."

[MADem]

77. That's not her beliefs. Sheesh. Her "beliefs" refer to her stances on the issues.

But hey, whatever. In my opinion, I do feel, that she strives for media attention, and does not care if it helps or hurts her cause. That was my intent behind that sentence.

Is that 'clear enough' for you? Come on, toss me another bullshit strawman...

:boring:

[EFerrari]

79. If you refer to your statements as bullshit, that's your choice.

And who in their right mind wouldn't try to engage the media on such an urgent, national issue?

And since when did ending the war become only Sheehan's "cause"?

Do you know what a strawman argument is? Because instead of employing one, I asked you how you knew what Sheehan believes. No, you don't get to turn your own statements on someone who asks to clarify them.

[MADem]

84. Hey, listen up. I have an opinion about Saint Cindy. It's not the same as yours.

Guess how much I CARE about the fact that you don't agree with me?

The answer is not much.

Stop with the strawmen--go on, you look it up, dear--it's a false argument, the act of misrepresenting a person's position (the "belief" bullshit, for example, that you took out of context deliberately) , putting words in people's mouths to advance your argument by changing the focus--like you're tossing at me now with the "cause" bullshit. I don't care if her cause is Hugo Chavez tee shirts for everyone, I don't care if she believes that Fidel Castro should be cannonized a saint--I think she's way out there, that she has been used by elements that are so far left they've almost come around to the right, that she's so far out of the mainstream that she has turned herself from an effective advocate into a big JOKE and an object of pity, and that she's jumped the shark.

That's MY take.

All of your spinning, whining, and coming at me with snark are unrelated to the real discussion at hand--which is this: You like the woman, I think she's become a caricature, an ineffective tool.

That's what this is about, and that is my opinion. Capisce?

You don't have to like it, or agree with it. In fact, I expect you to not like it or agree with it. And I'd never INSIST that you do, or make snide remarks about you for disagreeing with me. Or insist upon debating the meaning of words, or taking them out of context to drag out a discussion where no accord is possible.

There's no concordance here, and there never will be. Give it up. Leave it be.

Have the last salvo if you'd like, I don't really give a shit.

:boring:


I've a right to my view. You've a right to disagree.



:boring:

[EFerrari]

104. I wonder why you would call me "dear" mid argument.

:rofl:

[MADem]

107. ...

:shrug:

[EFerrari]

109. We could talk about this without putdowns.

And we should. Anyway, good week end.

[Forkboy]

110. "I'm reflecting the opinion of the majority."

So was Bush when he invaded Iraq.

[MADem]

117. Forkboy, I'm not sending anyone off to die, am I?

Are you saying I have no right to my opinion? That I'm a war enabler because I disagree with her ineffective methods?

I am not demanding that you or anyone else agree with my personal view. I'm not stopping anyone from having a differing one, either.

I just don't appreciate being excoriated in a rather rabid fashion, or being compared with George Bush (and that IS what you just did) for not agreeing with the acolytes of the Church of Saint Cindy.

I think the woman is being used.

That's my opinion. YMMV, and that's fine. You have the same right to your opinion as I do to mine.

[Forkboy]

122. I'm simply saying that having the majority with you doesn't always mean someone is right.

You said the majority of people agree with you as if to prove your opinion was the correct one.It may be,but just because the majority agree doesn't automatically make it so.

I totally think you have the right to your own opinion,and would never suggest otherwise.

[MADem]

123. If you walk it back, you'll see I'm not using that as an argument.

My point is only that my opinion differs.

I'm just getting a bit irritated at the intolerance of people who can't accept that not all people share the Cindy Can Do No Wrong view. Quite frankly, it doesn't matter if I am in the majority. Does that statement please you, or help you understand my perspective? It wasn't a statement 'in argument,' it was a tossoff simply to indicate that I'm not alone in this viewpoint.

And I'm not.

I know a lot of people who were behind Cindy when she did the Camp Casey thing, when she kept the issue focused on the war, her son, the servicemembers who were being killed and wounded, but have gone from "Good on HER!!" to "WTF is she DOING?" when she started hugging up on Hugo and dancing around pestering Democrats on the Hill with a pink entourage. That trip to Cuba was a real piece of work too--she goes there, and then, refuses to meet with dissidents who risked a lot to simply ask for the meeting in the first place. The suggestion there is that dissent, which is her stock in trade, is OK in the states, but not in Cuba? It just doesn't make sense.

I think she was incredibly effective when speaking from her perspective as a family member who has been directly impacted by the war. I also think she has every "right" to speak on any subject, in halfassed fashion or not, that takes her fancy. But that said, I also have the right to say I think a lot of her efforts lately, especially those that don't focus on the Camp Casey issues she raised, make her look like a total nutcase, someone who is 'losing it,' and fodder for the right. Again, just my opinion.

It's just amazing that there is so little tolerance for an opposing opinion on this woman, her tactics, her goals, her effectiveness, and, IMO, the way she is used (and to my mind, abused) by the way-way left for their OWN ends (again, my opinion), but if you dare mention it, if you voice any dissent to the Cult of Cindy, you get put in the box just next to the kitten killers and Nazis.

It's always the same people, with the same "I bet you..." arguments, doing the beatdowns, too. It gets old.

[Forkboy]

125. The statement DOES please me.

Thank you for explaining.

[symbolman]

29. I've been accuses of HATING Cindy

for merely disagreeing with her stance, and I'd like to take this time to say, CUT THE CRAP with the "HATE CINDY" bull..

It's manipulative, and has no place on the DU.

Many times it's her FANS that kill her OWN THREADS by being so vicious that people FLEE.

I've tried to tell them this, but am answered with "YOU HATE CINDY"

Like gradeschool.. try presenting FACTS and you'll do much better.

[MADem]

32. Yep...join the club. I'm in that bunch, too. And I agree with you completely.

If you aren't genuflecting to her and the pink crowd, even when they act like asses, and touting the works of idiots who disrupt the Plame hearing and other important news events that push our cause forward, why, you aren't "sufficiently progressive" to suit a small cadre of extremist champions, who do behave like schoolyard bullies. It's tiresome.

Don't feel badly about it, though. When people start doing that vicious ripping, all you can do is "Consider the source!"

[symbolman]

36. Yep

It's the cheapest ploy there is, actually.. The HATE card, sounds like a Slumber Party when someone says that..

I don't disagree with what they stand for, just their actions at times.. hell I LOVED Code Pink when they started out, but about the time they decided to march around with a SEQUINED COFFIN to protest the war, they completely LOST ME..

As a Vet who's SEEN the real thing, that was Absolutely Abhorrent to me. Trying to advance their media visibility is Obvious to me as well, having run Takebackthemedia.com for about 6 years, I notice stuff like that.

If they all went back to their roots and swung HARD from there then I'd be fine with that, but they've sort of mutated..

Thanks for the welcome to the club, it's a sad thing, but I appreciate the advice too, and have considered the source many times, to the point of hitting the ignore button, which I hate myself for using..

[MADem]

39. It's good to see you around...

I've just not seen your posts lately, and missed them. I always enjoyed your multimedia stuff, too.

I agree with your assessment, overall, too, and feel the same way you do. Back to basics!

I've used that button two times, myself...but hey, whatchagonna do? Some people really don't want to talk, they want to hector, bully and do everything save shove a pine cone up yer ass!

I'm not into that foolish fighting. Life's too short!

[Cults4Bush]

37. How about you cut the crap

keep crying victim every time some one defends her and youre gonna get flames.

Ill take your advice though and not mention it again...

and what on earth do I need to provide links or docs to??

[symbolman]

38. And

here we go... :)

[MADem]

40. Didn't take long, did it?

And the mean language, too... right out of the gate!

Guess they didn't have a grandma who told 'em the best way to catch flies.

[Cults4Bush]

86. lol.. really??

Where in my reply to Symbolman is there mean language?

Oh, were you speaking of my mean language in my reply to yours up thread?

Also note that you made a serious mistake up thread in your reply to me. I did not "challenge" her grieving and I did not say that you did either.

Don't try to set lies like that in motion when posting to me... and I am just going to believe in your humanity and assume you wouldn't dare insult me the way you did by saying that.

I did not say a thing to you until you responded to my post. If you and Symbolman saw yourselves in the words of my post that is your issue to deal with... your baggage not mine.

Now so far as to be fair the only thing I can see besides the grammar and spelling (its horrid and I think can cause some misunderstandings on its own) that Id do differently in my post, is the word "hate". Yep I'd actually soften that up, not in response to your voice though or even Symbols but simply because it is in fact overly emotional.

Your response to my first post I firmly believe does completely illustrate that point. Would you like to know why?? I'm sure you don't care but here it goes.... you came off as a cold, calculating and manipulative, do anything to win tunnel vision Dem, and honestly quite a Party firster but alas not the fiery red hater type..so you and Symbol are right about that.. hate wasn't good!

... and I guess I still don't expect it so much coming from a Dem after all these years and I still get blindsided when I see a post like yours that blatantly filled with triangulation and no compassion ( I am in all seriousness LOLing at myself right now... I cant believe I'm even bothering to respond to you! Lmao! ). Anyways to sum it up for you in as soft and fluffy a manner as I can, your specific reaction outlined exactly what i was saying, don't worry though she did get used by wacky extremists causes as well, just like you wanted to use her and basically did while you could (I'm speaking of the type of Dem agendas that are like how you came off in your original response to me here, just to be clear...dont want there being any confusion that I'm saying thats what you are in reality but just how you came off to me there in your response, ok? We clear??) Id urge you to actually re-read both posts, I know there is some anger and emotion in my response to the OP but did you really have to come in and do and prove what I was just talking about (no really thats rhetorical no need to answer:D )

Ah yes brings up the next thing... you mentioned a straw-man horse shit question up-thread? I hope you didn't think that I wanted or expected an answer when I asked if you thought she was ever going to stop grieving ??? My grammar must be really really bad if that is how it read. You have to know I did try and set the scene there with the low slow whisper, I mean generally those kinds of questions aren't meant to be answered. Ok so... sorry there as well if thats what you thought.

As for what you said about Cindy being divisive and extremist and blah blah blah.. yeah uhm mileage may vary. truth is she was right about this war before the bulk of our vaunted officials... and she figured it out the hard way not on the threat of losing a job but in the fact of losing her flesh and blood... but as you said ...you KNOW, you KNOW. You really don't care, I forgot about that, sorry.

Lastly... I am always stricken with how far and deep so many here would go for their rep or senator or the absolute idol worship we give all kinds of party heroes even when they become divisive ...even after they screw up ( I will pee myself laughing if anyone asks for links or to verify). That shit really cuts both ways, you know? Its amazing that so many don't think its ok to do that for some one like Cindy and her journey.

We KNOW, we KNOW... you don't care.

May the warmth of compassion and empathy chase off your cold and heavy agenda.


*I'm putting you on ignore because I don't want this thread to be a flamer and I didn't want to start anything and I know you and I will keep going round and round on this and probably the war in general (which is really such an overriding concern that "I don't care" about anything else... next time I will keep my emotion to myself.

peace

[MADem]

87. Uh, who's referring to YOU? Answer: NOT ME.

The reference wasn't to you.

Feel a bit, well, foolish? Fight picking? ASSumptive? You actually aren't the center of any universe other than your own.

I'm not reading the rest of your diatribe, because, as I said before, I don't CARE.

We disagree.

Get OVER it.

:boring:

[Cults4Bush]

89. here we go with what?

please go back and re-read what i wrote in response to you.

I asked that you cut the crap.

I stated the obvious that by crying victim (maybe I shouldve been more tactful and said that by yelling at people not to use the word hate and then launching into a huge tirade.. which you did) that youre gonna get flamed (which I have never done to you nor was I speaking to you.. and you like, MAdem attacked me and this thread clearly shows that so please leave the moral positioning at the door... I was Military too btw my entire family is military and I have friends in Iraq both in and out of uniform, I also like you have been an activist for a very very long time so please try not to insult me in other posts to other posters, I would not do you the same disservice). Im sorry I believed that there was a thick skinned mentality inside of GD at DU.

Lets do this the easy way so we can douse these flames ok?

"I've been accuses of HATING Cindy

for merely disagreeing with her stance, and I'd like to take this time to say, CUT THE CRAP with the "HATE CINDY" bull.."

Firstly I didnt accuse you nor was I even thinking of you! Believe me when I say I had no one in mind when I wrote that but the crew of Cindy users or wannabe users.. the ones that dislike her intensely or think shes bad bad bad because she doesnt behave the way they want her to... and if youre going to say in other posts that you actually agree with much of "our" stance then please admit that the Cindy dislikers (I know that when I took a break from DU last year I was being told not to call them bashers anymore either) are just as bad... I can remember many times where threads devolved into freaking Hugo Chavez and what she says about Dems debates and yet so many of those same people will give their favorite political heroes leeway until it hurts, with all the normal and yes somewhat valid rationales (theyre only human, they need the job and we need the votes ad infinitum). Not for Cindy though and that makes me question their compassion, their empathy, their open mindedness and frankly freak me the hell out with something approaching a party first attitude. For gods sakes there is a learning curve here that even her biggest supporters fail to give her... expecting freaking Mother Theresa miracles from her nearly.

"It's manipulative, and has no place on the DU."

UIhhhmmm bullshit, Symbol. sometimes its really just emotion.
Heres the kicker using the word hate was a bad choice.. I am sorry I used it, truly and sincerely.. but again it was you who saw yourself in my words or saw someone else in my words calling you specifically a hater not me and then you attacked me for using the word hate and proceeded to basically go off on me individually for the collective crime of every Cindy supporter who has said used the word hate to describe to describe the Cindy dislikers. Im sorry that you got called that by someone, I havent followed your writing much lately but I always respected and enjoyed your words and would have stepped in to defend you against that slander not that you need it of course... but Symbol it wasnt me and you bashed me like it was. In the rest of my post I clearly (except for grammar) delineated what I was talking about and Im sorry but other than saying "hate on her all you want" and not really finishing my thought (whish was going to be "she almost single handedly jump started the peace movement"), I dont think my post was so awful as to warrant the salvo you fired my way and the snarky shit asides post you did with MAdem, your suspicions about me are wrong. period.


Many times it's her FANS that kill her OWN THREADS by being so vicious that people FLEE.

Ive seen that happen myself and I wonder when the paranoia sets in if they are moles or people who are just over the edge with this war. Not all people have the self control over their emotions here to back off when it is probably appropriate... and that holds true on all sides of the aisles. Also you used the word "many" as in what? 60% 70 % more ??? Not trying to be snarky here I just wonder if you believe that the bulkd of Cindy supporters are killing her threads and I wonder if you mean this in the same way that so many other threads about officials that have high flames end up getting killed (i.e. their supporters get them locked or scare others away).

Also why did you shout FANS ?? I am not a fan, not by a longshot... I am.. someone who has endless compassion and empathy for her and her journey. I just maybe thought it was some sort oif insult and I dont get it... am I right?


"I've tried to tell them this, but am answered with "YOU HATE CINDY"

Like gradeschool.. try presenting FACTS and you'll do much better."

Did I say that to you Symbol or anyone here? ...and what facts do I need to present from my original post? That was just my heart speaking and Im sorry if that kind of heart felt input is no longer welcome without 15 links that only 5 DUers will click. I honestly didnt think I needed to justify my feelings, also before I saw this post I did go and edit and offered a mea culpa with what my intent clearly was.

Symbolman I honestly hope I didnt get myself on your ignore list. That will make me sad but not change my mind that other than using the word hate in GD at DU I did nothing wrong.

[EFerrari]

67. I don't know, symbolman. I remember the 25 threads that

dissed her for wearing OH NO! AN INAPROPRIATE T-SHIRT to a SOTU address. Before anyone knew what the shirt said . . .

This is DU and people get excited and they type at the same time. lol

[BlueStater]

31. I respect her a lot but I don't want her getting involved in politics

It would cheapen her message.

[EFerrari]

73. We really have to stop thinking of "politics" as something apart

from our daily lives -- if we ever want to make a political impact.

[Cults4Bush]

90. I kinda agree....

Id be torn quite honestly and Im always afraid she gonna get hurt.

[proud2BlibKansan]

54. Yes she is not very popular here anymore

Sad, isn't it?

[EFerrari]

59. Neither is the peace movement who gave the Democrats the talking point

"The American people want a new direction." lol.

It doesn't matter.

I hope Cindy runs. I want to work *that* campaign. We need more real liberals like Dennis and Barbara and Lynn and Maxine, not *fewer*. We don't need any more tentative "liberals" with a team of consultants that consult everyone but the base that elects them.

So there.

[proud2BlibKansan]

62. Typed a great reply and DU crashed on me

WTF is going on with this website?

[EFerrari]

63. We're buggy. I hope they locked Elad in the closet.

:)

[proud2BlibKansan]

64. Maybe that's the problem

[Cults4Bush]

99. I have to say that...

its an incredibly good feeling seeing you still around and keeping up the good work. I dont know if you remember me but I always thought you were one of the most tireless activists I ever met, not to mention compassion and empathy out the wazoo :) Keep it up, youre still an inspiration.

[Cults4Bush]

98. Very :(

I probably shouldnt have popped back in out of the woodwork here. I cant believe you and SF are still here though and several others.. makes me very happy:)

[proud2BlibKansan]

114. Glad to see you here

:hi:

[Madspirit]

66. Ummm

No one has said hateful or mean-spirited things. I would support her but just because everyone here doesn't does not mean they are being mean-spirited or hateful. It means we are not clones.
Lee

[Cults4Bush]

97. Im sorry I mustve

really screwed up my phraseing in the post... I wasnt only talking about this particular thread and actually I dont mind if someone doesnt support her run for whatever reason they want, and I know we're not clones. Its all good.. I shouldnt have posted this, I know that now.

[Madspirit]

103. I Hate to Waffle

<g>...but you're being too hard on yourself. Sometimes people here do get nasty about Cindy. I just didn't see a lot of it in this thread. I'm glad you posted.

Lee

[me b zola]

111. Thank you for your post

:loveya:

[Cults4Bush]

116. awwww

Thank you Zola... most kind of you and most certianly appreciated.:toast: :loveya:

[bluedog]

33. hers the districts:

CALIFORNIA
District Representative Party Hometown


01 Mike Thompson D St. Helena
02 Wally Herger R Marysville
03 Daniel E. Lungren R Gold River
04 John T. Doolittle R Roseville
05 Doris O. Matsui D Sacramento
06 Lynn C. Woolsey D Petaluma
07 George Miller D Martinez
08 Nancy Pelosi D San Francisco
09 Barbara Lee D Oakland
10 Ellen O. Tauscher D Alamo
11 Jerry McNerney D Pleasanton
12 Tom Lantos D San Mateo
13 Fortney Pete Stark D Fremont
14 Anna G. Eshoo D Atherton
15 Michael M. Honda D San Jose
16 Zoe Lofgren D San Jose
17 Sam Farr D Carmel
18 Dennis A. Cardoza D Atwater
19 George Radanovich R Mariposa
20 Jim Costa D Fresno
21 Devin Nunes R Tulare
22 Kevin McCarthy R Bakersfield
23 Lois Capps D Santa Barbara
24 Elton Gallegly R Simi Valley
25 Howard P. ``Buck'' McKeon R Santa Clarita
26 David Dreier R San Dimas
27 Brad Sherman D Sherman Oaks
28 Howard L. Berman D North Hollywood
29 Adam B. Schiff D Burbank
30 Henry A. Waxman D Los Angeles
31 Xavier Becerra D Los Angeles
32 Hilda L. Solis D El Monte
33 Diane E. Watson D Los Angeles
34 Lucille Roybal-Allard D Los Angeles
35 Maxine Waters D Los Angeles
36 Jane Harman D Venice
37
38 Grace F. Napolitano D Norwalk
39 Linda T. Sánchez D Lakewood
40 Edward R. Royce R Fullerton
41 Jerry Lewis R Redlands
42 Gary G. Miller R Diamond Bar
43 Joe Baca D Rialto
44 Ken Calvert R Corona
45 Mary Bono R Palm Springs
46 Dana Rohrabacher R Huntington Beach
47 Loretta Sanchez D Anaheim
48 John Campbell R Irvine
49 Darrell E. Issa R Vista
50 Brian P. Bilbray R Carlsbad
51 Bob Filner D San Diego
52 Duncan Hunter R Alpine
53 Susan A. Davis D San Diego

[KamaAina]

42. Remember, she could run from ANY district in CA

Congressional districts are NOT enshrined in the Constitution; they were created later. All the Constitution says is that a rep must be a resident of the state (s)he represents.

[nini]

43. Are you sure about that?

I was under the impression you had to be a resident in the district you are representing.

[KamaAina]

46. Pretty sure.

In fact, several of the primary candidates in our recent race for the open HI02 seat lived in District 1 (Honolulu and its suburbs).

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html#section2

No person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the age of twenty five years, and been seven years a citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state in which he (sic) shall be chosen.

Not a word about districts or district residency.

[BrotherBuzz]

68. You need to be a resident of the district in California but it only costs 39¢

the price goes up on to 41¢ on Monday (;))

Pete McCloskey did just that during our last primary race. He ran against Pombo in the eleventh district republican primary race by simply changing his legal residence from Capay Valley, Yolo county to Lodi so he could enter the race.

[ronnykmarshall]

128. You do.

When Nancy Pelosi first ran for congress in 1987, she had to move to a different part of San Francisco. At the time SF was in two congressional dist. In fact when I first moved there, Babrara Boxer was my rep.

I've had the honor having BOTH Boxer and Pelosi as my reps. Now I've got the great Mr. Henry Waxman! Not a bad deal.

[Jim Warren]

45. If so, how about Mary Bono's seat

Wow, what a waste.

[Freddie Stubbs]

50. Yes, but often voters are leery of voting for a candidate who does not live in, or

has recently moved to, their district. The phrase 'carpetbagger' has negative connotations. Sometimes candidates are able to overcome this. Oftentimes they are are not.

[LSK]

44. didnt she buy property in Crawford, Tx???

Maybe she could run in that district?

[bluedog]

85. Crawford 17th district..........Chet Edwards (D)

Texas's 17th congressional district—

Republicans will look to unseat Chet Edwards (D) in this heavily Republican district that covers Waco and the Bryan-College Station area. His district gave George W. Bush 70% of the vote in 2004 and includes Crawford, the home of Bush’s ranch.



Edwards was the sole survivor among the Texas Democrats targeted by the mid-decade redistricting effective in 2004, reelected that year with just 51%, but received only token opposition in 2006.

He has been mentioned as a possible candidate against Republican U.S. Senator John Cornyn in 2008.


( if that is where she will run...she will be against Edwards a Dem and a unknown GOP'er)

[OutNow]

48. YES!

I support Dennis for President. Do I think he'll win? Probably not, but his ideas such as the effort to impeach Cheney that were thought to be way over the top not too long ago, slowly gain traction. Someone has to be the first to in Congress to fill the articles.

I feel the same way about Cindy. Maybe it's because I was there at Camp Casey II and saw Cindy and Joan and Ann as real people, not just sound bites. I hope Cindy runs in Texas. She is a land owner/resident. I will support her. I will campaign for her. Even in the summer; it can't be any hotter than it was at Camp Casey. Will she win? Maybe not. But I seem to remember lots of folks trashing Bernie Sanders 20 years ago for thinking an independent socialist could win a seat in Congress. Oh, that's Senator Sanders now BTW.

I stand with Cindy. Bring the troops home now.

[nam78_two]

57. I would vote for her if she were running for office where I live

I would imagine she would run against a Repig...

[earth mom]

81. Jeezus! Do you people around here want change or not?!

All this dogging on Cindy is so damn disgusting I can't believe it! :argh:

Question for you naysayers: Is Congress representing the people or not?! Answer: HELL NO!

So why in the HELL would anyone here on DU dog on someone like Cindy who actually gives a damn about the people?! The stupidity around here is simply unbelievable! :grr:

[skipos]

127. I don't see "dogging" or "hating"

but I haven't gone over this thread closely by any means.

Some DUers don't think she would be a good congresswoman. So what?

Though I agree with many of the positions of both Kucinich and HRC, I think some of the other candidates would be better Presidents. it doesn't mean I "hate" them.

[AnOhioan]

83. I would support her if she decides to run

[Catchawave]

93. I hope she's challenging a Republican this time.....

:banghead:

[EFerrari]

105. She's never entered a race against a Democrat so please

spare your poor head. lol

[Catchawave]

126. Feinstein ? Never entered the race, I know but

Feinstein?

Jan 29, 2006
CARACAS, Venezuela - Cindy Sheehan, the peace activist who set up camp near President Bush’s Texas ranch last summer, said Saturday she is considering running against Sen. Dianne Feinstein to protest what she called the California lawmaker’s support for the war in Iraq.

“She voted for the war. She continues to vote for the funding. She won’t call for an immediate withdrawal of the troops,” Sheehan told The Associated Press in an interview while attending the World Social Forum in Venezuela along with thousands of other anti-war and anti-globalization activists.

more here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10774147/

:hi:

[EFerrari]

131. I remember the Feinstein flap.

And I remember being really disappointed. lol

[unkachuck]

106. Run Cindy Run!!!....n/t

[smalll]

108. What transparent egotism!

"they're really trying to talk me into running..."
"I do have the name recognition."
"... can't make my mind up on whether it would hurt the movement" (Oh yeah, as opposed to whether you have the balls (sorry, ovaries) to lay yourself out for the judgment of actual voters, rather than continuing to live the pleasant life of a "famous for being famous" celebrity of the political persuasion.)

Cindy Sheehan is fast becoming the Bev Harris of the anti-war movement.

[proud2BlibKansan]

119. Cindy is a leader in the PEACE movement

Big difference.

[Vidar]

121. Good for Cindy.

[cooolandrew]

124. GO CINDY. Fight them on the inside. =)

[krispos42]

129. What's her platform?

I've heard rumors she's anti-war for some obscure reason, but how about her reasoning and stances on the other things we yak about on the DU?

[uppityperson]

130. Seems like it would be good to find out things like that before judging, doesn't it.

"some obscure reason", good.

[MazeRat7]

133. Maybe she should try for some local office first and gain some experience...-nt

[bonito]

134. Cindy speaks for me! K&R n/t