Why isn't Andrew Rove enlisted? He's of PRIME AGE! Take a look!

[fooj]

Well hot damn! An able bodied young man READY to enlist? How fortunate for the military! Maybe the Rove family needs a gentle prod. Here's a link for easy access to an enlistment form. What do you say, Karl?

http://usmilitary.about.com/

[troubleinwinter]

1. Huh. He's 19.

[pnorman]

57. He'll be 18, sometime this year.

I just HAD to Google it: http://chenzhen.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/is-andrew-rove-prepared-for-war/

But he can always lie about his age. His daddy lies all the time! But I expect it'll go along these lines:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Parent-trap snares recruiters
The tune changes at some homes when they hear 'sign here'

Thursday, August 11, 2005
By Jack Kelly, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Staff Sgt. Jason Rivera, 26, a Marine recruiter in Pittsburgh, went to the home of a high school student who had expressed interest in joining the Marine Reserve to talk to his parents.

"I want you to know we support you," she gushed.

Rivera soon reached the limits of her support.

"Military service isn't for our son. It isn't for our kind of people," she told him.
>
>
>

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05223/552161.stm
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

pnorman

[troubleinwinter]

62. "Andrew Madison Rove, born in 1987"

Wikipedia.

[me b zola]

77. Ah hell, for that matter....

...there is an organization for vets that were underaged @ the time of their service in foreign wars.

If the rules have been changed, KKKarl loves to "bend" the rules, I'm sure that he would be glad to pull some of those strings for his spawn.

[Captain Hilts]

2. I believe he has [no joke] a learning disability. nt

[CBGLuthier]

4. I am sure he knows which end of the gun the bullets come from

That should be all the knowledge he needs to join the marines.

[troubleinwinter]

7. He attends college.

[Captain Hilts]

16. Um, a LOT of folks with learning disabilities attend college. nt

[troubleinwinter]

18. Glad to hear it. He can join up to serve in the military now.

[spooky3]

46. I think the point was that LD doesn't keep people from succeeding in

college, so it shouldn't prevent them from enlisting and succeeding in the military.

[Captain Hilts]

63. There are certain disabilities you just don't want in the military.

Some they can cope with, but not others.

It's something beyond dyslexia

[troubleinwinter]

67. Well, no shit. But they're sending them back over with PTSD, brain injuries,

and other injuries. I have no idea what Andy can't "cope" with. They are FORCING others to "cope", just not their own sons, daughters, nieces & nephews.

[Captain Hilts]

68. That's a different argument. It's not about 'coping', it's about ability. nt

[troubleinwinter]

75. It seems

that you have some kind of 'special knowlege' about Andrew that we don't have, regarding his "ability".

He seems to have the mental/intelectual ability to graduate from an exclusive private prep school and attend a Texas college.

He apparently has the physical ability to go hunting and kill a deer to be made into sausage and served to an LA Times writer.

Perhaps this is the difficulty? "He has a fascination with guns that upset many of his fellow students at this highly exclusive prep school, as well as their parents."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-robinson/draft-karl-roves-son_b_38754.html?p=4#comments

[fooj]

82. WTF?

"I attended Andrew Rove's graduation, as one of his classmates is a friend of one of my sons. There were Daddy Karl and Mom Darby, under the protection not only of the Secret Service, but Blackwater troops. I wondered how much we paid for that."

BLACKWATER TROOPS? WTF? Why does Rove have SS protection, let alone Blackwater Troops?

[krkaufman]

74. Yes, the bar has been lowered (and bent) severely since Bush's ...

... Catastrophuque began.

[me b zola]

78. I'm sure they screen working class kids for those disabilities

:sarcasm:

[Dulcinea]

30. That's what I've heard too.

No doubt he got a 4-F, if those still exist.

[proud2BlibKansan]

37. So?

Does that make him a poor candidate for the military?

[Name removed]

44. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Bucky]

69. No problem about his learning disability. The army can teach him triggernometry!

Or the Texas Air National Guard can teach him business management.
.

[flyarm]

73. Autism in the army

http://alina_stefanescu.typepad.com/totalitarianism_today/2006/07/according_to_th.html

July 26, 2006
Autism in the army.

Flipping through an old issue of The Week (May 19, 2006), I found an interesting story. It appears that the family of Jared Guinther, an 18-year-old from Oregon, was trying to get him released from the army, which recruited him in spite of the fact that he is autistic. Guinther, who rarely speaks, "wasn't even aware of the war in Iraq until a recruiter enlisted him last fall to be a calvary scout, the Army's most dangerous job". Guinther's mother tried to intervene, but the recruiter told her that he himself was dyslexic and that Jared "doesn't need mommy to make his decisions for him".

Ultimately, the Army did release Jared from his contract, but this raises a host of questions about agency, autism, and Army recruitment practices. Jared's parents believed he could not understand the consequences of making such a decision, and who knows better than the people who raised you? But Jared's parents also had mixed feelings about the war in Iraq. What does a diagnosis like "autism" or "Aspberger's syndrome" mean for legal agency?

[Rosemary2205]

3. Excuse me - Rove PROCREATED???? Ewwwwwwww nt

[Sequoia]

8. I'm with you on that one. Deranged woman no one wanted.

Or him either. Shudder.

[zonmoy]

11. admittedly there is a gross out factor

the bigger concern is did either the bush kids or the rove kids inherit their fathers evilness.

[Duer 157099]

5. There must be a sun allergy in the family genome n/t

[LSparkle]

6. OMG, it's Damien ... spawn of the Bad Seed!

[rhiannon55]

9. Wow. I did not know that Rove had spawned...

Is there a wife? Other children? I thought he was just a lonely old "confirmed bachelor," or a slug that crawls back under its rock when the sun goes down...

[BlueManDude]

10. Anal Cyst.

[fooj]

12. Here's the loving mama and papa...

They look like such a happy couple.:rofl:

Guess Karl doesn't like pics of the family on the net. For being such a PUBLIC figure, they aren't easy to come by.

[troubleinwinter]

13. Here's the delightful Darby Rove

[fooj]

14. Looks like Georgie has a little buzz going on in this pic! LOL!

Darby looks like she would rather be eating nails.

[Tesla]

15. How convenient

[Ghost in the Machine]

45. Hey, the bulb is burned out in that stupid looking lamp in front of the portrait..

Oh wait.... that's not a lamp... but the bulb is still burned out

[fooj]

17. Look what keeps them busy...

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://www.washingtonlife.com/issues/april-2006/cover_feature/&h=270&w=373&sz=27&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=kuIjjmbQ_jgqhM:&tbnh=88&tbnw=122&prev=/images%3Fq%3DDarby%2BRove%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3DRNWN,RNWN:2006-39,RNWN:en%26sa%3DN

Darby and Anne seem to be enjoying themselves...

[rasputin1952]

22. I'm gonna paint my eyeballs w/leaded black paint after those

pics.

Nightmares for weeks after that!...:scared:

[Name removed]

24. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[NV Whino]

27. Whoa!

There are some scary looking people on that site.

[Dulcinea]

31. Darby looks like Karl in drag!

Yikes! Maybe it's true that some couples really do start to look alike!

[GreenPartyVoter]

89. First time I ever saw them together I thought she was his sis. n/t

.

[mitchtv]

19. I'd say he should partner up with ChickenHawk Mary Bono's son

Chesare'Bono on his way to USC , also 19. They could join the rich boy battalion

[blondeatlast]

20. He needs a haircut.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://buperscd.technology.navy.mil/bup_updt/508/unireg/chapter2/chapter_2.htm&h=451&w=546&sz=14&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=MGCGUlkHR3GrRM:&tbnh=110&tbnw=133&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dus%2Bmilitary%2Bhair%2Bregulations%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7GGLH%26sa%3DN

[troubleinwinter]

34. Well that's it.

You win 'The Troubleinwinter Best Post of the Week' award.

[blondeatlast]

40. You like me! You really, really like me!

Thank you very much!

I have to admit I was kinda proud of myself for that one... :spank:

[fooj]

21. Nothing gets these f*ckers down, does it?

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2007/05/bush_we_will_su.html

Party! Party! Party!

[NJCher]

28. that story is amazing--and another bush gaffe!

Here are a few excerpts:

"Please be seated…" Bush said - though there were no chairs on the armory floor. "… unless, of course, you don't have a chair.''

What an ass!

and look at something else he said:

And so as we head into campaign season next year it's very important for the Republican Party to enunciate that which we believe, to stand for something, not be one of these parties that takes a focus group to tell us what to believe,'

HE was the one who called we war protestors a focus "group!"



Cher

[flyarm]

71. Bush: 'We will succeed in Iraq'

the fuck we will..he only wants this war because he lost the great war of texas and the great war of arkansas.. the cocaine dens wars and barstool wars...so after passing on his own generations war, he decided to pull out his little plastic army toys and play war with other peoples kids while no one in his family sacrifices or puts one body on the battlefield!!

i say not another soldier goes unless their last name is one of these mother fuckers in this white house's policy room..or their neices and nephews...

don't forget Jebbies boy is enlistment age!!

and his druggie daughter would make a better life for herself..if she had a soldiers dicipline!! instead of a jail house

fly

[tritsofme]

23. I find threads such as these mildly disturbing.

The same goes for the "send the twins to Iraq brigade"

We have no idea how this young man thinks about politics or the war.

This mentality of crucifying the son for the sins of the father has always seemed to me to be the antithesis of progressive thinking.

[troubleinwinter]

25. Has Rove encouraged his son to enlist? What do you think.

Also Romney (backer of President Bush's Iraq policy):

"No, I have not urged my own children to enlist.I don't know the status of my childrens' potentially enlisting in the Guard and Reserve" Romney said, his voice tinged with anger.

Massachusetts residents can enlist in the National Guard up to age 39. Romney's five sons range in age from 24 to 35. Neither the Romney children nor the governor have served in the military.http://www.mfso.org/article.php?id=344

It's the fucking HYPOCRISY.

[fooj]

26. Where is Rove's son being crucified?

I'm simply asking a question. WHY IS HIS SON NOT ENLISTED IF THIS IS SUCH A NOBLE AND JUST CAUSE?

It's a VALID question.

[blondeatlast]

48. Indeed it is. I'm willing to bet that most of those fighting in Iraq oppose the war

but have no choice but to fight.

Supporters of the Iraqi invasion should enlist and offer the dads, moms, sister, brothers, sons, and doughters an opportunity to come home to their families.

They have no valid excuse not to.

[NJCher]

29. of course

Actions never speak louder than words.



Cher

[LSK]

33. but its ok for these people to send other peoples children to their death???

I guess you fail to see the point.

:shrug:

[burythehatchet]

36. very thoughtful observation

[blondeatlast]

43. If he thinks the war in Iraq is a good idea, he should enlist. Period. nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

38. I don't care for them either. I don't think ANYONE should be "sacrificing" their lives

in Iraq.

[blondeatlast]

42. It's simple. If he approves of the war, he should absolutely enlist. If he doesn't,

he should speak out.

There are an awful lot of people fighting in Iraq sho DON'T approve of this war but can't get out.

He gets no pass from me, not at all.

[BrotherBuzz]

86. Indeed, and perhaps Andrew should seek advice from Craig McNamara

They could have a lot in common

The other Mr. McNamara

Raised during his father’s war, a Winters organic farmer cultivates fields and minds

By Cosmo Garvin

It's barely a footnote in the Errol Morris documentary The Fog of War, but for one brief moment, former Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara dwells on the toll that the Vietnam War took on his own family life. He matter-of-factly notes that his wife and children were opposed to the war that he directed under the Johnson and Kennedy administrations. Then McNamara explains that the stress became so great for his family that his wife Margaret and teenage son both contracted painful stomach ulcers.

It's a detail that hardly merits a mention. After all, the film is concerned with much more horrible and tragic developments of the mid-20th century: the firebombing of Japan, the near nuclear holocaust of the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the millions of deaths in Vietnam.

But that footnote does hint at the lessons one of the other McNamaras drew from the war and social upheaval of the 1960s and early 1970s. For Craig McNamara, the stomach ulcer he developed at age 17 was just the physical manifestation of the confusion and frustration he felt toward a society seriously out of whack.

"I think it came from trying to bridge too many disparate parts of my life," Craig now recalls. An athlete and struggling student, he disagreed profoundly with the U.S. invasion of Vietnam, which to this day is called "Mr. McNamara's War" by some critics.

"I was trying to be a good son, recognizing that I had significant disagreements with him over Vietnam. It was just too many tectonic plates to try and keep together," Craig explained.

Those ulcers ultimately kept Craig out of Vietnam and nudged him onto an unlikely life path--one that led ultimately to a walnut farm just outside Winters. There, McNamara has worked for years to build a program teaching high-school kids about sustainable agriculture and environmental protection. The program, called the Center for Land Based Learning, just won the California Governor's Award for Environmental and Economic Leadership.

For Craig, it's the culmination of 30 years of pursuing his passions for agriculture, environmental protection and social justice. He talked with SN&R about his long journey from being a privileged son of D.C.'s political establishment to becoming a political activist, a farmer out of his depth, and ultimately a teacher. Craig also reflected on the ways American foreign policy drove him apart from his father and how the issue of U.S. military adventures abroad now have drawn the two men together again.

<more>

http://www.newsreview.com/sacramento/PrintFriendly?oid=oid%3A29189

[wtmusic]

49. agree. nt

[LSK]

32. he has kids?!?!!?!??!

:scared:

[burythehatchet]

35. because he'd get fragged in about 3 minutes

[in_cog_ni_to]

39. Send the Three Muskateers....Jenna, not Jenna and Rove. Those 3 are ALL PRIME AGE!

:grr:

[burythehatchet]

47. "not Jenna" rofl

:rofl: like the guy who isn't Steve Doocy.

[Madspirit]

41. I Don't Want

I don't want to send anyone's kids into harm's way.
Lee

[tammywammy]

50. Because we have an all volunteer military

Volunteer is the important part.

And as far as I know, he doesn't agree with the war.

The sins of the father do not pass to the children.

[troubleinwinter]

56. As far as you know he doesn't agree with the war?

Got any link where he says that???? Got any link to Rove claiming that he has encouraged Andy to enlist (voluntarly)? We know Karl didn't serve.

Romney stated that he has not urged his five military age sons to enlist (voluntarily). Romney did not serve.

Has *buh encouraged his daughters to enlist (voluntarily)?

It's the hipocracy.

[tammywammy]

60. Sorry, I mistyped earlier

I mean to say, I don't know where he stands. He could or could not agree with the war.

edited to add:

It doesn't matter if their parents encourage them to join. It's up to each individual if they want to join the military. I really don't care that Jenna, Barbara, this kid or Romney's kids never joined the military. The sins of one's father doesn't stain the children.

[troubleinwinter]

64. It does not stain the children.

Those who send OTHER peoples' children into a war and claim it to be such a "noble cause" for OTHERS' CHILDREN to go and die for but don't seem to believe it is so "noble" a cause as to encourage their own children to fight it are hypocrites. Maybe Andy is a hypocrite too. I don't know.

[Madspirit]

84. Sorry

I don't want to send ANYONE'S children to war.
Lee

[fooj]

85. Nor do I. No apology necessary.

Unfortunately, the reality is that thousands are being sent over as we type. I AM sorry for that. Everyone should be. That INCLUDES Mr. Rove.

[Rex]

51. No way.

Sorry, but until a blood test is done (by a neutral country) I will continue to believe that he has no son.

[Bjorn Against]

52. Here is another one who needs to go, Pierce Bush

Know what I'm saying heh heh.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cWidr0Uwj8E

[lander]

53. Oh my g-d he's a carbon freaking copy.

Google the video of Dan Rather interviewing Rove in ... 1972, I think, when the latter was the Nat'l Director for the College Republicans. It's like he got himself pregnant...

[lander]

54. Ah...

Here's the video. Rove is at the end.

[troubleinwinter]

61. Eeee. Here is a still from Dan Rather interviewing Baby Pro-Nixon Rove in '72.

He was 21/22 at the time. Working to promote Nixon and his war, but didn't sign up to fight it.

[La_Fourmi_Rouge]

55. The Armed Services do not employ homosexuals. n/t

[stevedeshazer]

58. Flashback: Karl Rove, January 18, 1972.

Andrew's obviously a chip off the old block.

I highly recommend this video, young Karl Rove appears about four minutes into this excellent old news clip.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BM0zJl9Bxk8

[kiteinthewind]

59. Poor kid. Ya can't pick your parents! nt

:)

[bluedeminredstate]

65. He kind of looks like that dude on SNL

I think it's the guy that plays the Chimperor now. Bill Hader?
Rover Jr's got a sort of "pointy" look about him. I guess I expected round, bespeckled, fat, double-chined, blond and
creepy-like-a-kitten-killer type for the seedling of Karl... Oh well, he's got time to mature.

[Virginia Dare]

66. Because we need to succeed dammit!!!..n/t

[flyarm]

70. Army's declining standards , because they can not get enough to enlist!

I believe if someone votes for war, their children should be the first to go and it should be mandatory!!
..and if anyone in our government is involved in the policy of a war, their kids should be enlisted and it should be mandatory!
No one wins a war..no one!!
.................................................

Of Criminals and U.S. Military Traditions

http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/military/11026/of-criminals-and-us-military-traditions/

Here is a thought provoking edit in The New York Times: “The Iraq war has plunged the Army into a vicious cycle of declining standards. Multiple, extended tours of duty have sapped morale and blighted recruiting. New plans for a larger overall force could reduce pressures but would also mean that recruiters would have to meet higher quotas.
“To keep filling the ranks, the Army has had to keep lowering its expectations. Diluting educational, aptitude and medical standards has not been enough. Nor have larger enlistment bonuses plugged the gap. So the Army has found itself recklessly expanding the granting of “moral waivers,��? which let people convicted of serious misdemeanors and even some felonies enlist in its ranks…

“Most of last year’s Army waivers were for serious misdemeanors, like aggravated assault, robbery, burglary and vehicular homicide. But around 900 — double the number in 2003 — were for felonies. Worse, the Army does no systematic tracking of recruits with waivers once it signs them up, and it does not always pay enough attention to any adjustment problems.

“Without adequate monitoring and counseling, handing out guns to people who have already committed crimes poses a danger to the other soldiers they serve with and to the innocent civilians they are supposed to protect.”

Anyone listening/interested in this warning?


.....................................................................................................................................


http://democrats.senate.gov/journal/entry.cfm?id=272653

Democratic Caucus's Senate Journal - Senator Harry Reid, Majority Leader

April 19, 2007

Ohio Gunner killed after volunteering to work in the face of manpower shortages. "The knock on the door no military parent or spouse wants to hear came at the home of Marion native Debbie Halstead last December. 'Please don't tell me what I know you're here to tell me,' she remembers saying to the uniformed officers who were at her door. Halstead was told her son, Sgt. Nicholas Ray Gibbs, 25, was shot and killed by enemy fire in Ar Ramadi while on tower watch. 'Part of me died along with him,' said the 1971 Ridgedale High School graduate. 'I will never be the same. It's changed my whole life. He was my best friend.' Gibbs, a gunner with the 1-137th Armored Regiment with the First Armored Division, was not scheduled to be on guard watch that night but knew they were short of manpower, so he volunteered, his mother was told. 'He had only been getting 3-4 hours of sleep a night,' she said. 'It was not his night to be in the tower. He was involved in a small gun fire battle and stood too soon.'" (Marion (OH) Star, 4/12/07)



Columbus Army Captain: "I love the Army, but I hate this war." "In the field, manpower shortages are everywhere. Captain David Eastburn's artillery company--part of the 2nd Infantry Division--arrived for its second tour in Iraq with only 72% of its personnel slots filled. 'It just puts extra pressure on us,' Eastburn, 30, says of his troops during a patrol in southeastern Baghdad. 'They have to work longer, harder to make up for the lack of personnel.' After training to fire the artillery's big guns at foes 15 miles away, his unit is pulling infantry duty. 'I love the Army,' the 12-year veteran, a native of Columbus, Ohio, says, 'but I hate this war.'" (TIME, 4/5/07)


Akron paper asks: "How much more American blood must be shed waiting for Iraqis?" "U.S. Army soldiers are familiar with Pentagon orders extending their tours of duty in Iraq. On at least eight occasions, the Defense Department has pointed to security needs and informed particular units that they would be staying beyond the standard 12 months. On Wednesday, Robert Gates announced that an extended tour of 15 months would be the rule for almost all Army troops...No wonder the Army has lowered its standards for enlistment, allowing, for instance, late thirty-somethings and early forty-somethings to enter. The Army has tapped the Navy and Air Force for additional manpower. The Pentagon estimate was that 235 armored humvees would be needed. Today, there are 18,000, and the challenge of protecting troops remains formidable. Many soldiers have received truncated training to speed their arrival in Iraq...The hard question, thus, emerges with the surge and the tour extensions: How much more American blood must be shed waiting for Iraqis?" (Editorial, Akron Beacon Journal, 4/13/07)


Cleveland paper condemns President Bush's refusal to provide troops with armor, weapons, and rest. "On Monday, the Ohio National Guard's 37th Infantry Brigade Combat Team, based in Columbus, with units in Akron and Cleveland, was told to prepare for deployment to Iraq. Barely two years ago, the brigade's 3,600 citizen-soldiers returned from service in Kosovo with the United Nations peacekeeping mission there. Some elements of the 37th have already served in Iraq, and now the entire brigade could be there by early next year.'... Doing more with less is a good idea in some walks of life and a mantra among many of the president's fellow MBAs. But it is no way to treat the men and women who defend this country. They need the right armor and weapons, the right numbers of comrades and the right amount of rest to do the dangerous and priceless work we ask of them." (Editorial, Cleveland Plain Dealer, 4/12/07)

......................................................................................................................................

1.

MILITARY EXPERTS: IRAQ WAR IS DAMAGING FORCES
By Anna Mulrine

U.S. News & World Report
April 18, 2007

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnews/20070419/ts_usnews/militaryexpertsiraqwarisdamagingforces

In a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing this morning on Army and Marine Corps preparedness, retired Maj. Gen. Robert Scales testified that two thirds of regular brigades and "virtually all of our reserve brigades are not combat-ready."

He added that "the stress of back-to-back deployments has created uncertainty and anxiety among military families that is affecting the morale and resolve of those who we will rely on to fight the Long War for a generation."

Lawrence Korb, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, added in today's hearing that the decision for a surge -- to increase the number of ground troops in Iraq -- "threatens to leave the United States with a broken force that is unprepared to deal with other threats around the world." He further testified that Army and Marine commanders "will only be able to provide these additional troops by cutting corners on training and equipment and by putting additional stress on those in uniform."

Korb said that while Secretary of Defense Robert Gates's decision to expand the Army and Marines is "long overdue," how to expand the forces without relaxing standards is tricky. To ensure those standards, he said, "the current target of adding 7,000 soldiers and 5,000 Marines per year is too ambitious in light of current circumstances and should be scaled back."

.......................................................................................................................

http://www.ufppc.org/content/view/6105/35/

NEWS: With 'ground forces overstretched,' US military faces 'readiness crisis,' Korb tells Senate


Written by Donna Quexada
Thursday, 19 April 2007

Testifying before the Senate Armed Services Committee on Tuesday, Maj. Gen. (ret.) Robert Scales said that two thirds of all Army and Marine Corps brigades and "virtually all of our reserve brigades are not combat-ready," U.S. News & World Report said on its web site.<1> -- He added that "the stress of back-to-back deployments has created uncertainty and anxiety among military families that is affecting morale and resolve." -- Also testifying was Lawrence J. Korb, 67, who was professor of management in the late 1970s at the Naval War College and who in the early 1980s administered 70% of the Pentagon budget as Asst. Secretary of Defense (Manpower, Reserve Affairs, Installations, and Logistics). -- Korb is now director of national security studies at the Council of Foreign Relations, senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, and senior adviser to the Center for Defense Information. -- The Center for American Progress posted his nine-page statement to the Senate committee, dated Apr. 17.<2> -- Korb told the committee that the Army is facing a "dire situation." -- He noted that "when this surge is completed all four brigades of the 82nd Airborne will be deployed, leaving us with no strategic ground reserve. Even at the height of the Korean War, we always have kept one brigade in the continental United States." -- "The current use of the ground forces in Iraq represents a complete misuse of the all-volunteer military," Korb said, and quoted Gen. Maxwell Taylor, who said in the 1970s that “we sent the Army to Vietnam to save Vietnam; we withdrew the Army to save the Army.” -- "The same is even more true for Iraq today," Korb told the committee chaired by Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI). -- Korb gave striking details about "a lowering of recruitment standards." -- For example, "he number of Army recruits who scored below average on its aptitude test doubled in 2005, and the Army has doubled the number of non-high school graduates it enlisted last year." -- "The number of criminal offenders that the Army has allowed in the military — through the granting of 'moral waivers' — has also increased significantly. Last year, such waivers were granted to 8,129 men and women — or more than one out of every 10 new Army recruits." -- Nine hundred of these waivers were for people with felony convictions. -- At the same time, the military is no longer prepared for unexpected emergencies elsewhere. -- "ombat-readiness worldwide has deteriorated to crisis levels. . . . The Army and Marines have been so overstretched that the United States has almost no ready reserve of ground forces to effectively deal with a potential crisis on the Korean peninsula, in Iran, or in unstable Pakistan, for example, or to help alleviate the grave humanitarian crisis in Darfur." ...

[slowry]

72. It's a fair question. Whether by his choice or not, he's probably scum. n/t

[MagickMuffin]

76. "No War, No Tomato Picking for my BOY" Karl Rove

eom

[grasswire]

79. I believe it's true that he has some kind of disability

I remember when protesters gathered outside Rove's home a couple of years ago that Rove said they had frightened the boy and made him cry.

Perhaps they just want to imply that he's fragile, or something.

[troubleinwinter]

81. "Rove said". Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

[troubleinwinter]

87. Yes, young men cry.

Karl Rove thinks protesters outside of his house singing and chanting, wanting to be heard regarding educational opportunities for immigrants, should desist because it makes Andrew cry.

I think Andrew's daddy should think about the brothers, daughters, cousins, aunts, fathers, wives, children, neighbors, friends that HE has made cry. Not over singing and chanting in the front yard, but over death and destruction.

[fooj]

88. They certainly do.

That's what authentic tears look like. Absolute heartbreak.

[smiley_glad_hands]

80. The sins of the father should not pass down to the son.

Unless of course he embraces them.

[flyarm]

83. how about JEBBIES SON???

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9373195/

Florida Gov. Jeb Bush's son arrested
21-year-old charged with public intoxication, resisting arrest

AP
John Ellis Bush, 21, shown in this photo provided by the Austin, Texas Police Department, was arrested early Friday morning and charged with public intoxication and resisting arrest.



Updated: 9:49 a.m. ET Sept 17, 2005
AUSTIN, Texas - The youngest son of Florida Gov. Jeb Bush was arrested early Friday and charged with public intoxication and resisting arrest, law enforcement officials said.

John Ellis Bush, 21, was arrested by agents of the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission at 2:30 a.m. on a corner of Austin’s Sixth Street bar district, said commission spokesman Roger Wade.

The nephew of President Bush was released on $2,500 bond for the resisting arrest charge, and on a personal recognizance bond for the public intoxication charge, officials said.

[flyarm]

90. kick kick kick kick kic &R

:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: