Interesting link regarding Chris Matthews and Bohemian Grove...

[TnDem]

I had no idea that Tweety is a MEMBER of the Bohemian Club and gave a key address at the 2003 Bohemian Grove meeting. Here's a link from a Progressive site mentioning it:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0724-04.htm

No wonder he has such man crushes about these various pug candidates.

Why is there such a media blackout of the Bohemian Grove events? Even Olberman won't touch this?

Has anyone seen that video of the interview of David Gergen by Alex Jones outside the Republican Convention in 2004 where he asks Gergen about Bohemian Grove? It's the only time that I ever saw Gergen lose his cool and get flustered.

What about this whole issue of Bohemian Grove? Why are we not really pushing to see why it is acceptable for high level oil, defense, mainly Republican and media people to party for two weeks in a bizarre pagan setting?

If this is not the news story of the century, I don't know what is. My last post a minute ago about this was immediately removed. Why?

Comments?

[LSparkle]

1. I heard about it a couple of years ago ...

He's a vocal Catholic -- is he in Opus Dei too?

[in_cog_ni_to]

2. It's a TOP SECRET, CLASSIFIED Government secret. It will NEVER be revealed and now that we know

CORPORATE MSM types participate, that story will NEVER see the light of day on TV or in Newspapers.

[TnDem]

4. Is that not troubling?

That the very people that we talk about and cheer on here, ( Olberman, Maher, etc..), will not even DISCUSS the existence of this meeting and its implications to how the Republican party interacts with big oil, media and defense?

If that's as true as you claim, then the whole thing is a joke and one side plays against another.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

9. more douchy than anything

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[in_cog_ni_to]

21. Well, Olbermann is only as Liberal and 'free to speak his mind' as his CORPORATE owners want him to

be. Yes, it's VERY troubling! Stalin had Pravda, we have the Corporate owned WH propaganda machine. Now, knowing Tweety is involved in this, I know it will NEVER be exposed...not while media types are doing the same thing. It's all a game. They keep US in the dark about all their corruption so we'll continue paying our taxes that they need to spend for their wars where they make big bucks off the defense industry and oil industry...and the media is paid VERY WELL to keep it all quiet by ignoring the corruption. It's a nice little system they have going for themselves.

I think the ONLY way Olbermann could ever get THIS story on the air is to do it with his Producer knowing about it and that's impossible.

[Stephanie]

8. There was a HUGE article about it years ago in Spy Magazine.

by a guy who managed to sneak in - google it - very funny

[frylock]

28. jon ronson wrote a book called 'them'..

he and Alex Jones managed to infiltrate the Grove. Really interesting book.

[moodforaday]

73. There's a movie

Alex Jones made a movie of his stunt - easy to find on Google Video, search for his name and Bohemian Grove.

To those who ridicule a mere mention of Bohemian Grove, here on DU and elsewhere: you cannot deny the fact, so you might as well accept that it happens and that the setting is rather unconventional. You may have no interest in it or no mental faculties to discuss it - the media people sure do not - but that still doesn't change the fact.

Yes, it doesn't make sense. Yes, it defies reason to entertain the idea of what some term "occult". It sure as heck puzzles *my* rational worldview. But the fact and the secrecy around it are reasons enough to want some answers here. Do not close your mind to weird shit that shouldn't be happening, because it is happening. If you are ever curious about Cheney's secret Energy Task Force meetings, you should be equally curious about the Bohemian Grove antics, whatever they are.

ED: typos

[Stephanie]

10. Here's the SPY story >

http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.com/bohos/inside-spymag.html

[TnDem]

12. Here's the video link to the Gergen interview...

The best REAL journalism I have ever seen:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3297193073974401876&q=gergen+bohemian+grove&hl=en

[Raksha]

17. Thanks for the link to the Spy article. I just read the entire thing

and what an eye-opener! World leaders getting falling-down drunk and peeing in front of each other like junior high school kids...and no doubt deciding the fate of millions of us "little people" while they're at it.

[Raksha]

11. Well, it's not surprising that MSM types participate,

considering that five of the original founders were journalists. That's probably always been the case. (I just read the CommonDreams article to refresh my memory.)

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. No kidding? Anyone we know? Any big names? n/t

[Manifestor_of_Light]

55. Mark Twain and Jack London, that I can remember reading about.

WAAAYYY back when.

[TnDem]

29. Well....

William Randolph Hearst was an early attendee.

Currently, the CEO's of many if not all MSM groups are members...

Read this:

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1489

Here's a membership list that lists Chris Matthews as a prominent member of the organization as well as many past media moguls and owners who were and are members:

http://www.pehi.eu/organisations/Bohemian_Grove_members_list.htm

[Raksha]

59. Did you happen to scroll through that membership list you posted?

It links some very surprising people as members. AL GORE is one of them, along with Bill Clinton and Robert Kennedy. That made me wonder how accurate it is, or how close a connection some of these people actually have/had with the Bohemian Club and the Bohemian Grove. There may be some especially of the more liberal Democrats who were only there once or twice as guest speakers.

[TnDem]

63. Exactly right.....

Al Gore is a member of that club....And the list is TOTALLY accurate, albeit needing updating with newer members...As you might imagine, the information is hard to get.

I read that Gore has attended regularly. He attended before he was VP too, which also makes sense because only a handful of US Senators are invited. He was probably being groomed as potential VP before he was VP.

If you could look at the current political members on the list and see a few you are not familiar with, rest assured you will know them in a few years.

[earth mom]

70. Gore & Kennedy are members?!!! No f-in way!

I don't wanna give up the little bit of hope I've got or change my avatar! :cry:

Maybe they are spying on the real criminals....

[Raksha]

72. I think it was Robert Kennedy, not Robert Kennedy Jr.

It's a list of current and past members, some going back to its founding in 1878. JFK was not listed. Every past Republican president going back to Calvin Coolidge was listed, but most Democratic presidents are ALSO listed (but not all of them). Jimmy Carter is listed as well as Teddy Roosevelt, but FDR was NOT listed. There are three members of the Bush clan--Dumbya, Jeb and Bushdaddy (no big surprise there).

I was really shocked to find Al Gore's name on the list, though. I still can't understand that. I was going to send a link to this thread to Bob Somerby at the Daily Howler but now I don't know what to do. For years, he's been digging out the connections between the major pundits and the political figures they allegedly cover, but he's never mentioned the Bohemian Club or the Bohemian Grove (I checked his archives).

I thought the Bohemian Grove connection might give him some additional insight into the "War on Gore" he's been analyzing for the past eight years. But if Al Gore himself is a member??? I just don't know what to do now.

[earth mom]

76. Thanks for the info. Maybe we should wait & see what Gore says & does next....

:shrug:

[Raksha]

85. I've just been reading Peter Phillips' doctoral dissertation

on the Bohemian Club and Bohemian Grove, and now I just don't know what to think. It's a .pdf file and the link is in one of the earliest replies on this thread. As part of his research, the author spent a weekend at the Grove as a guest of one of the members in the summer of 1994. He says that of the political jokes he heard, the most common were anti-Clinton jokes. A lot of the members seemed to absolutely hate Clinton, who I'm pretty sure was not a member at the time.

Clinton's name is on the current list of members, but with the words "no regular" next to it. I'm not sure what that means. Does it mean the elite were forced to recognize the fact that he WAS in fact a world leader, however much they resented and fought his "intrusion" into the inner circle? I'm really confused now.

Edited to add another interesting factoid: For years at their "Lakeside Chats" the Bohemian Grove attendees have been hearing lectures on the environment, at least since 1994 when Peter Phillips was there. It's possible that Al Gore delivered some of these lectures, but whether he did or not I bet anything those lectures were realistic and accurate and NOT the anti-global warming b.s. the RW tries to peddle to the gullible masses. The elite wouldn't accept that kind of swill for their own private consumption.

Here's the link to the dissertation again, but I should warn you it's 167 pages, not including all the various charts and appendices.

http://library.sonoma.edu/regional/faculty/phillips/bohemian.pdf

[TnDem]

87. You are missing the point...

Who CARES if Clinton was liked by some members or disliked by others...That's petty bullshit...Get 2000 people together and invariably there will be some that will snicker about others and dislike others...That is completely irrelevant.

The question this board needs to ask is why the supposed trustworthy media like Olberman and Maher and Randi Rhodes and others are not asking SERIOUS hard questions about this place and the shit that goes on there...I am talking a full scale expose'.

I'd like to know why that all of these elite media types can attend this thing year after year, but then completely lose it when you ask them about it, (ala David Gergen in his interview)? That would be my question.

How can 1800 of the world's most powerful people spend two weeks together and there not be a PEEP about it in the media?

Answer that and you'll answer everything.

[joshcryer]

97. I'm reading this now. Sounds like nothing unusual. :)

Sounds kinda cool actually. I'm jealous I'm not a rich elite.

Not really. :)

[Raksha]

Well, of course it's cool! They had to have a winning formula

right from the beginning to make all those rich elite types WANT to join in the first place! That's how they got to be so powerful. What made it different from the all the other "gentlemen's clubs" that have existed in Europe and America since at least the 1700s is their "summer camp" at the Bohemian Grove. Not every men's club can claim its very own 1500-year-old stand of old-growth redwoods, after all.

[joshcryer]

105. It's fun, it's like an adults playground.

Where if you go and make the right connections you can make billions of dollars. :D

That was a good read, it dispells quite a few myths about the club, I think many conspiracy people should read it.

[joshcryer]

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[earth mom]

82. A very weird and elite club that no one knows much about.

:tinfoilhat:

[TnDem]

84. O, they know about it.....

Check this out:

http://www.theresistancemanifesto.com/

Scroll to the bottom of this page and listen to some of the on-air questions given to Limpballs, Hannity, Colmes, Savage, Rick Roberts, Glenn Beck and others....NONE of them want to look into this matter because they all have some sort of tie to it...

Most of them probably know that their bosses and/or producers have connections to the Grove.

There is a reason that no one will mention it.

[joshcryer]

96. What is there to know? Do you know what happens at your nearest private country club?

I bet you don't. But I bet you're not as concerned about something more damaging than a club thousands of miles away. You know, that club in your local town or nearby where your politicians go, where your local officials go to make back room deals.

I personally don't care about these elite clubs because you can't stop that sort of thing in a plutocracy.

Basically a lot of people are falling for the exaggerated truth.

[TnDem]

98. One more time...

My private country club may have the county executive and some city commissioners along with the owner of the local hardware store...Big whoop.

No comparison to the CEO of Bechtel and the CEO of GE/NBC Jack Welch and Rumsfeld and Cheney and Chris Matthews and Tom Brokaw and Dumbya and...well you get the picture time 1800 of the most prominent people on the planet today.

And you're right....You can't stop it nor would I want to, but you can DAMN sure report it to the public at large to let them decide..

Of course when the Chairman of NBC Welch and Cronkite and Stone Phillips and others are joining in the fun with the same understanding of secrecy, then the fox is guarding the henhouse.

Again, if you can't see it, you might be the problem.

[joshcryer]

99. No comparison? Your city commissioners can affect you far more broadly...

...than some CEOs of some big company. What is the public going to do? It's been reported before. I wouldn't be surprised if it made the national news. It wouldn't do anything. Maybe get the Bohemian Club to be protested more (as if it's not enough already by the nutters).

Anyway, calling someone "the problem" which is what you started doing isn't very helpful, especially when your case is not very clear or has any real point to it at all except that you're upset that the news media doesn't exaggerate the club like profiteering distorters like Alex Jones does. I mean, damn, "Satanic Rituals"? Complete conjecture and hyperbole.

Feel free to keep redundantly saying the same crap over and over again.

[TnDem]

101. What the fuck ever.....

I know now that the Freepers have infiltrated this board heavily.

Present company may or may not be implicated.

Media silence means nothing with you except when Gonzales farts and the press doesn't report it but when every single defense contractor pisses on redwood trees right next to Hearst, Welch, Brokaw and Cronkite and NOBODY mentions that, it's fine...

Yeahhhhh, OK buddy....

[joshcryer]

102. No need to start name calling.

Though that is expected from Alex Jones advocates. :)

[joshcryer]

50. HAHAHA

Everyone knows about Bohemain Groove. The News Media just doesn't see a reason to exaggerate the obvious implications of a rich persons club like freaks like Alex Jones.

[TnDem]

64. If you think it's just a "rich person's club"...

Then the MSM have obviously been successful with you!

And Alex Jones is not a freak. His Dec. 2006 interview with David Gergen was some of the best "real" journalism I have seen in a long time:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3297193073974401876&q=david+gergen

WHy the abject secrecy and complete blackout by the MSM? I can understand people like Hannity and Limpballs, but what about Olberman and Maher and folks like that?

[Feron]

65. Alex Jones is not a reliable source

One of the "highlights" on his website is where he accuses people making the "I Love You" sign language gesture of being http://www.infowars.com/print/Secret_societies/worldleaders.htm">NWO satanists. The dude is either a real kook or willing to pretend to be one in order to profit.

Frankly I don't see how BG is newsworthy. It's the same globalist conspiracy BS the right-wing peddled during Clinton's presidency.

[TnDem]

66. Not newsworthy?

So all of the CEO's for the top oil, media and technology sectors all meet for two weeks a year with major political players from the ,(mainly), Republican party and discuss policy, agendas and outlooks for the the next year ALL with a complete and total media blackout and that's not newsworthy? Have you lost your mind?

Just because Jones puts forth some other ideas that are not correct, does not mean what is shown in the video does not take place.

The anger spewed in the Gergen interview speaks for itself.

[joshcryer]

75. No, it's not news worthy. They meet every damn day.

They meet on golf courses, they meet at luxury clubs, they meet on yaghts, they meet at the thousands of dinners they have. Bohemian Groove isn't 'the' only place they can make policy decisions. The only controversial thing about it is that theyare elite and us poor smuchks can't be part of it.

Oh wait, most of us can't be part of those $1000 political dinners either.

Or those luxury invite only golf clubs. Or the yaght parties.

Huh.

[TnDem]

86. They may occasionally meet at golf clubs daily....

But over 1800 of the worlds big oil, media, political and defense contractors don't meet for lunch every day and have mock human sacrifices in front of a huge stone Owl God named Molech...

It's a wee bit different there guy, especially considering that the media won't touch it with a ten foot pole....

When Olberman and/or Maher do an expose on it, then I'll reconsider my thoughts on the media blackout...Until then, you need to educate yourselves on how many news stories have been killed by media owners. Google "People magazine" and "Bohemian Grove" and read about that cover-up.

If you deny this, then you are part of the problem.

[joshcryer]

89. It isn't different. The media has reported on it, and it has rightly dismissed it.

You can do a whole lot more at a golf club with a small group than you can at a big gathering. Count on that. Big gatherings have a lot of noise, it's mostly hand shaking and eating/drinking. I've seen Alex Jones' documentary, the one where he gets into the Bohemian Club during the Groove. All I see are a bunch of rich people, many of them middle-class or upper-middle class Joes who are lucky enough to get invited. Hell, the comments on the 'trees' during the drive from the parking lot amused me greatly. The most you can "get done" is get contact information and whatnot. Otherwise you're just hanging out.

The problem with our current media is hyperbole. Alex Jones, for example, is rich out of the ass, he has tons of money, *selling* conjecture, assumptions, exaggerations, hyperbole, essentially being a "talking head" in and of himself. He is *no better* than the mass media which must profit to tell the story.

My grandfather was a high level Mason and he had a crap load of political power in Georgia in the 40s-50s (sadly he was part of the anti-black movement there; we only learned that after his death while trifelling through his stuff). No doubt these private organizations do hold a lot of power, these back room secret meetings and so on. The key here is that you don't need Bohemian Groove for that, and it goes against the whole elite, small room gathering aspect of true power weilders. My grandfather didn't do business at the club, he invited people over and they did it in his damn home office/library (to hear my mom tell it).

My super secret cabal wouldn't invite anyone in to it, you can bet on it. ;)

[TnDem]

91. You still missed it...

Sure, small groups can "get things done"...However, to get all of these various HUGE power brokers together in a two week, no holds barred event, is a rare thing. Why do you think it's so popular among the elite?

Where else can the CEO for Northrup-Grumman and the CEO for Bechtel-Jacobs have a completely honest and candid conversation with Tom Brokaw and Dick Cheney with no one to report it, parse it, record it, etc..?

The point of everything is the media blackout because they are INVOLVED. You can damn well bet that if Cronkite and Brokaw and Matthews and Jack Welch and Hearst and numerous other media icons were not up to their necks in these "informal" conversations about world events, they would be crawling all over this place wanting to know what is going on.

Who cares about Jones and his supposed "wealth" from reporting this. Cronkite, Brokaw, Hearst and Welch made many millions more than the few thousand dollars that Jones has made on his obscure videos.

If you think this is some benign event that doesn't warrant any scrutiny, then that makes me wonder about you.

No offense of course...

[joshcryer]

95. You actually think that they have "candid" conversations?

They don't even *talk* business there, too many people, too much noise. Maybe sometimes they'll walk off to a picknick table somewhere and do some talking, but nothing actually happens. You honestly think that Tom Brokaw or other journalists who go to the Bohemian Groove learn secrets that they don't divulge? That's just ridiculous. No one would tell Tom Brokaw or anyone anything remotely damning or controversial. They know better. They can't give the guy a potential scoop, you really and honestly think that he cares about that 'club' to the point of keeping secrets? That's so ridiculous I cannot even imagine how anyone would think this.

You've brought into the sensationalism, perpetuating the very thing wrong with this country.

[TnDem]

100. Then why media silence?

Why would David Gergen get so pissed off when asked if he attended "The Cremation Of Care" ceremony at Bohemian Grove?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3297193073974401876&q=gergen+bohemian&hl=en

Why the utter and complete media disregard for this entity?

Do you work for NBC or Fox?

Shit, the way you defend them makes me wonder?

Watch the video....

[joshcryer]

103. I just finished reading the sociological paper that someone linked. Did you read it?

It goes a long way to explain this. You see, the Bohemian Grove was actually more public in years hence. But as it became attacked more and more over the years (for being a white male exclusive only club), it has retreated more and more into itself.

David Gergen is pissed off because while he cherishes his 'elite status' he is embarrassed or offended that he was being questioned about activities in a club that in general *is* a private elite club of white men where potentially unusual stuff does occur. You'd get the same reaction if you walked up to a stranger leaving a county club and asking them questions about their underwear. It means nothing. But it sure does fit in conspiracy movies where conjecture abounds.

I saw the video. I heard Alex Jones' tone; he ambushed David Gergen in public, with a loaded question, and wouldn't be considered a responsible reporter in my book.

But, believe what you will. Ooh, boogie boogie, I'm a scary FOX exec and I am part of the Club and stuff! We control the world! MAHAHAHA!

[TnDem]

104. Anyone that asks tough questions....

Would obviously not "be responsible" in your book..

Tell you what, ignore my posts from now on, Mkay?

[joshcryer]

106. Haha, those were't tough questions...

...those were absurd questions intended to create supposition. No answer that David Gregen gave would've been able to avoid the conjecture that Alex Jones invariably would spew.

Really, you'd say it was a tough question if I went to the local country club with a camera and asked the guys golfing if they liked playing with balls? Your level of expected journalistic integrity is pretty low.

[TnDem]

107. Yeah...questions like....

.."Did you attend the Cremation of Care Ceremony"..

Real tough question that Gergen stammered and stuttered and did everything but answer because he KNEW he could not say that he attended a ceremony that showed hooded participants burning a mock, screaming human sacrifice to a large concrete Owl god named Molech...

Meanwhile, they bulshit together and make plans, talk shop and get to know one another....

And the media says nothing because they are there and people like you and Fox News defend it.

[joshcryer]

110. I'm defending it? I'm defending reason, anti-hysteria.

People get so hysterical over total non-sense. They are the ones who make talking head news media actually profitable. They're the ones who eat that crap up.

I'm not denying that something goes on, mind you. I'm merely saying it's not a big of a deal as it is being made out to be, and that most people who know what Bohemian Grove is know this.

[Raksha]

108. I don't think very much actual business gets transacted at the Grove.

They are all too drunk, for one thing--on THAT point all the reports are unanimous! But that isn't the point. What happens at the Bohemian Grove is a testament to the power of networking, of organization, of circles of influence and friendship. There doesn't have to be any actual plot or conspiracy among the pundits in attendance to trash Al Gore (for example) and make the 2000 campaign about trivialities instead of real issues. It's more of a wink-wink, nudge-nudge kind of thing. They are affinitized to each other and one takes his cue from the others, so they are all in sync.

Sharing power increases power, and when you take a group that's already so powerful individually--YES, the Bohemian Grove increases their power to a phenomenal degree without them actually having to **DO** anything, at least not in that particular time and place.

But all of that can work for us too. The poster who suggested we "start our own club" is no dummy! Of course we aren't filthy rich and we aren't the Masters of the Universe, but there are still a lot more of us than there are of them!

[joshcryer]

111. See, we already have such a club, it's called society. *They* are the ones removing themselves...

...from society, to do their own little thing. And some people just don't like that, it seems. I personally could care less. I *do* have my own groups, which we could call an "elite club" if you want. And I'd be pretty pissed if someone came up to me asking about my friends and me and what we do. It's no ones business, you know?

[Raksha]

112. I disgree. What you and your friends do is none of anyone's business

because it has no effect on the larger society, only on the people within your own circle. Considering the wealth and power and influence of the members of the Bohemian Club, what they do absolutely affects the rest of us, ESPECIALLY in the case of media figures like Chris Matthews, David Gergen et al. They create the "filter" through which everyone else views reality. To a very great extent, they CREATE our consensual or political reality, which is so pervasive it takes a real effort of will to break free of it.

I've seen no indication that their association or their activities in any way increases their sense of responsibility to society as a whole. The opposite seems to be true: They seem to be more convinced than ever of their own innate "superiority" and their alleged RIGHT to create our reality for us.

[joshcryer]

115. But we can change society so that their influance is no longer relevant (or existant).

What we have here is this complaint that there are elites hanging out and making connections the way society works (rich people have to make connections somehow, and they will find a way to exclude poor, non-capital owners, from their meetings). Rather than saying "we can become more empowered" we say "they need to stop doing business."

If the Bohemian Club could truly influance society and it did, then we'd actually see something interesting coming out of their gatherings. Instead what we have are self-interested power elites who merely go party and make other rich friends who can help them maintain and persue their power more.

[TnDem]

118. Such bullshit....

We do see MANY things come out of their gatherings...The Bohemian Club apparently privately boasts that the Manhattan Project arose at one of the meeetings there.

You seem intelligent, but willing to argue for anything against a media problem at Bohemian Grove.

You did say something interesting though....You said, "..and make other rich friends who can help them maintain and persue their power more.."

If, (as you say), the media jockey for this same power while visiting the Grove, then THERE is the problem and you have inadvertantly explained the MSM media blackout about Bohemian Grove.

Again, if you can't see it, I doubt it can be explained any better to you.

[joshcryer]

122. You are just seeing something that doesn't exist.

If the media were to report on the Bohemian Club they would have to report on every private club where rich people gather. Why would they do this?

[Raksha]

113. Good point...

The point of everything is the media blackout because they are INVOLVED. You can damn well bet that if Cronkite and Brokaw and Matthews and Jack Welch and Hearst and numerous other media icons were not up to their necks in these "informal" conversations about world events, they would be crawling all over this place wanting to know what is going on.

And they wouldn't take "it's a private club, so it's none of your business" for an answer either! And if they had no choice but to take "it's none of your business" for an answer because no other answer was forthcoming, they'd speculate about what was going on. In public. On the air. And they'd speculate A LOT!

[joshcryer]

117. There is little room for speculation on the reputable news organizations.

Speculation can get you fired. And it's easy to spot by the common person.

[joshcryer]

74. Alex Jones is *just like* the mass media!

Profiting off of sensationalist CONJECTURE. The simple reason is that it's not interesting enough to actually, uh, be a news story. Bohemian Groove has made it into the papers on various ocassions, editorials, and so on. But they're not going to write about "satanic rituals" the way Alex Jones does with his hyperbole.

Go start your own club. I have my own secret club, that no one but my close friends knows about, hahaha!

[Duer 157099]

3. posting to remind myself to come back here later

when I have time

[parasim]

25. hmm... interesting avatar. now I'm curious...

... are you a B. C. enthusiast or do you just like owls?

[Duer 157099]

32. Well I do like owls

And I am a BC enthusiast of sorts -- the place fascinates me.

[parasim]

39. That's cool. Yes, it sure is fascinating...

... and kinda disgusting at the same time. A friend of mine and I were actually invited to a dinner at the BC headquarters in San Francisco about a decade ago (I recognized your avatar as the BC logo because it was emblazoned on the paper napkins). My friend (a woman) was able to go because once a year they have a sort of Lady's Night or some such where they allow wives/girlfriends/etc in for a night. We sat at a table with a bunch of older tycoon's wives. The whole men-only aspect of the place was one of the things that disgusted me. Awesome meal, though.

Another fascinating/disgusting thing was the library they have there. They have these apparently ancient manuscripts (absolutely gorgeous books) that belong in the Smithsonian or somewhere yet are housed in this private club only to be enjoyed by the elite, predominately white men who run the world (and their guests).

I was not into politics at all at the time, but the creepiness of the talk I heard at the dinner table made me start to wonder about how "free" this country really is. I heard no empire-building talk or conspiracy theory stuff or anything like that, but just idle chatter about how much power the corporations have, blah blah blah and how exclusive this club was, yada yada yada... Just kind of creeped me out.

But hey, whatever, right? It's a free country. I'm sure there are plenty of private clubs that have priceless works of art and literature that are only enjoyed by the members. It's perfectly legal (I assume). And there's no doubt that the place itself was awesome. Gave me a glimpse of how the rich and powerful live, that's for sure.

Anyway, I became somewhat of an enthusiast myself after that and learned a lot about it. The entire concept of the club itself and The Grove and everything about it is pretty disturbing to me now.

[Duer 157099]

45. Oooo, nice story!

I've tried learning as much about it as I can, and have collected various BC items as well (the Grove plays, the yearbooks, etc). If you dig really deep online, you can find some pretty interesting historical stuff, mostly photos, but you have to really play sleuth.

Have you read the book http://www.amazon.com/greatest-mens-party-earth-Bohemian/dp/0151369054/ref=sr_1_4/104-1958224-3898305?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178938147&sr=1-4 ">"The Greatest Men's Party on Earth"?

So then you know that it's origins are truly bohemian, in some sense at least.

I fantasize about sneaking into the Grove (I go up there often in the summer). If you've been up in the Russian River area, then you know that that whole area is a bit magical on it's own, and it's distressing to think about the guests that those beautiful groves host each summer. It just casts a sort of evil pall over the area for those few weeks, y'know?

[parasim]

48. Exactly...

It certainly is interesting once you dig into the history of it.

It started out as a club for writers and artists and such, the original bohemians, so to speak. Jack London, a member. John Muir, member. Even Hunter S. Thompson! (although the whole snuff-film story is pretty disturbing)...

But I know exactly what you mean about the Russian River area. It is magical. I absolutely used to love going up there. The thought of it being a center of world-domination debauchery or whatever does taint it quite a bit, but somehow I dont' think that the redwoods concern themselves much with it all. They've seen it all, I'm sure.

and no, I haven't seen that book before... thanks for the link! :-) I'll have to check it out.

[troubleinwinter]

56. Have you checked out Charlotte Maillard?

Verrry interesting. Was Chief of Protocol for several S.F. Mayors... kinda the hostess for visiting V.I.P.s, greeted them at SFO & saw them to the Grove. She has married George Schultz. Now (last I heard) working in same capacity for the Gropenator.

She had a "house" in Marin County (half way between SFO & BG). I've been there. Interesting. 8 or ten bedrooms, bathrooms & not too much else. Secluded, but easy access from the freeway. Wallpapered mostly in red-flocked paper & mirrors everywere. Ahem.

[rosesaylavee]

5. Looks like the 'smoke filled room' has moved to a canyon outside SF...

The associations of powerful men made possible by the Bohemian Club encampment have raised the ire of protesters, who charge that captains of industry and government officials discuss business in secret despite the grove's official motto: "Weaving spiders come not here."

Of particular interest are the "Lakeside Talks," which this year include:

An untitled talk by David Gergen, commentator and former adviser to both Republican and Democratic presidents.

"The Landscape of American Politics," by David Brooks, a New York Times columnist.

"College Athletics: Serious Business or Toy Department?" by Ted Leland, Stanford University's athletic director.

"Flight," by Chuck Yeager.

"The Long War of the 20th Century," by James Woolsey, a former CIA director.

"Bohemia," by author Herman Wouk.

Exclusively for men - mostly white men. Heh.

[BlueManDude]

6. Chris Matthews is a working class, salt of the earth Pee-Ay guy so shut your mouth.

just because he's got a $3.8 mil house in Nantucket doesn't mean he's forgotten his roots.

[TnDem]

7. You're joking, right?

I cannot believe that you are serious?

Matthews, who fawns over the prospect of Fred Thompson like he was Pope Pius I?

WHy would someone was is "salt of the earth", be giving a key address to a group of mainly Republican, Political and Oil, Media and Defense CEO's? Remember, this meeting is not transcribed, nor released nor discussed in ANY media outlet outside of the various blogs on the net.

No media person will ever even DISCUSS the existence of this meeting. Is that not troubling to you?

[susu369]

33. LOL

;-)

[Cleita]

13. Here's another spy story.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1489

[reprehensor]

14. Yup.

It's a rich man's club. Where rich guys sit around and decided shit, make kings, etc.

Peter Phillips from Project Censored has been doing hard reporting on the Grove for years now;

"A Relative Advantage: Sociology of the San Francisco Bohemian Club"
http://library.sonoma.edu/regional/faculty/phillips/bohemianindex.html

"San Francisco Bohemian Club: Power, Prestige and Globalism"
http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.com/bohos/San_Francisco_Bohemian_Club_Power_Prestige_and_Globalism.html

"Inside Bohemian Grove"
http://www.counterpunch.org/phillips08142003.html

[DemGa]

15. Just world leaders blowing off some steam

You know, Pagan rituals and dancing beneath the Redwoods.

[TnDem]

16. Not just world leaders...

But the CEO's of Texaco, Exxon-Mobil, Viacom, Jack Welch, along with Rumsfeld, Cheney and scores of other ...The list goes on and on.

Even more frightening is the fact that some of the biggest names in media are also there and rub elbows with all of these people for two weeks each year. Nothing is EVER published about it by any of them, nothing is discussed on the news, nothing is ever said...Just like it doesn't exist.

Then when they are cornered by a real journalist and asked about it, here is the result:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3297193073974401876&q=gergen+bohemian+grove&hl=en

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

19. Love that 40 foot high owl!

[Duer 157099]

24. Here's one from 1924

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

62. Wow! That is the Best photo I've seen of it it. Going to save this. Thank you! eom

[wildbilln864]

18. kick

and recommended!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

20. I wonder if he was there when the gay porn star was hired.

This had been reported in the NY Post, Page Six in July 2005.

[cherokeeprogressive]

79. Here's a link to excerpts from a book called The Franklin Coverup

I've never heard of the book or the author, but the excerpts mention gay sex, molestation, a snuff film, and Larry King.

If you have a weak stomach, you'll have a hard time reading the whole thing.

I don't vouch for its veracity.

Excerpts from a book called The Franklin Coverup

[KoKo]

23. Tweety mentioned "Life of Riley" in a quote on his show tonight...

Anyone who remembers "Life of Riley" must be in a nursing home or close to it. I notice he spikes his comments lately with old TV and Radio Shows (before TV) which leads me to believe he's getting the "Nursing Home" audience and that's why he's doing this.

I have no doubt he frolics through "Bohemian Grove" searching for the "codpiece" and Tony Blair's toothbrush that he shared the "Colgate Toothpaste" with Tony Blair as they met to Plan Iraq Invasion.

He's a real Sicko....we watch him because there's so little else when one turns on one's Tee Vee...that we feel it's important to check up on how the MS Corporate Media is doing in reporting ANY small TIDBIT of information that the Liberal Blogs put out there.

We are so STARVED for INFO that we tend to still keep "checking in" because we still have "HOPE" that one day the dreadful info and the trashing of our Constitution will wake up Jake Welch, and the other Controllers of our Media to UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE TELLING THEM!

[TnDem]

26. OK, but.....

What about Olberman? Maher? Why don't they ask questions?

If these supposed reporters know about it,(which they have to), and do not ask any questions, the they are no better than the pagan pugs who participate and sell the USA amongst themselves for two weeks in the redwoods.

[jbnow]

119. I looked up "Life of Riley"

and it was on TV timwand popular from 1953-58.
http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/L/htmlL/lifeofriley/lifeofriley.htm
Matthews was born in 1945.

That's if he was talking about the TV show.
Now I wasn't around to watch that show, didn't know it was a show, and I don't know how Matthews used it. But if talked about "Living the life of Riley" even I know what that means, just don't know why. It's like living the easy life, luxury without working for it.

Looking that saying up it came from a popular song of the 1880s. Don't think anyone is going for the 130 year old crowd.

[Kat45]

27. Why does the article call Tweety a "liberal TV personality"?

That jumped right out at me. I also find it quite interesting that a gay porn star is involved, apparently as a "valet." Gee, I wonder what else he does there. :rofl:

I'm glad you posted this. I've never heard of this place/event before. And IIRC, one article said it was started in the 1800s. I hate to even imagine what goes on there, both the debauchery and the sleazy secret deal-making. Oh to be a fly on the canyon wall...

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. He USE to be a Liberal He worked in the Carter administration as speech writer (?) n/t

[parasim]

46. Well, in the context of the Bohemian Club, being a "liberal" doesn't mean much

I mean, Carter himself is (or at least was) a member. Sure, there are more Republicans than Democrats in that membership, but it is certainly has it's fair share of liberals amongst it's ranks.

That's the insidious nature of the BC in the first place. Both parties are represented. Makes one wonder if there isn't something to all this talk of this being the quintessential Hegelian society we've got going here in this country...

[pretzel4gore]

31. all that power, but only in negative terms

apparently above the 'Royal Arch' level of Freemasonry, a Freemason owes allegience only to his fellow Freemasons; up until Master Mason, (the highest level of the lower degrees Masons,) Freemasons swears an oath that everything 'murder and treason excepted' will be kept secret. But a Royal Arch Mason, the 1st step in the higher degrees (the ultimate degree being the 33rd) means that not even murder or treason can be revealed. Yet Freemasons abound in our society! The 'Skull and Bones' society that bush, kerry etc were members of(?) is a 'lodge' of Freemasonry, a very exclusive lodge, but still....
The problem is, of course, that all this 'secret society' stuff sounds faintly ridiculous (which is almost certainly intended by the organisers of the societies) and when the details are mentioned in broad daylight news media, anyone who's trying to get people to look at the secrecy aspect involved are laffed outta the room! If, as revealed by William Morgan in his 1826 book 'Freemasonry Exposed'
"The oath taken by Royal Arch Masons does not except murder or treason; therefore, under it, all crimes can be perpetrated" is true, and both junyer and his father are/were members of one of freemasonry's most exclusive lodges, shouldn't that, along with 'Bohemian Grove' get discussed in the newsmedia?
http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/captmorgansfreemasonrycontents.htm

[Raksha]

34. And yet the Bohemian Club is NOT a Masonic lodge of any kind

and has never even been accused of having Masonic connections as far as I know. If they were, Catholics would not be allowed to be members of the Bohemian Club, as they clearly ARE (William Buckley being just one notable example).

I tend to take anti-Masonic websites with a very large grain of salt, and therefore disbelieve statements like this one: "But a Royal Arch Mason, the 1st step in the higher degrees (the ultimate degree being the 33rd) means that not even murder or treason can be revealed."

I'm not from a Masonic family myself and therefore can't comment with any kind of insider knowledge, but with over 100,000 members on DU someone who does have that kind of knowledge is sure to come along and comment on your post.

But to me that sounds just like the "Jewish/Masonic conspiracy" claptrap I've encountered on RW sites ever since I first got online in 1994. And it's all been around for a lot longer than that!

According to The Hiram Key (the authors' names escape me at the moment, but they are both Masons) the founder of freemasonry was himself the victim of a gruesome act of murder and treason in ancient Egypt. You don't have to believe it, of course, but if there is any truth to the theory it's hard to believe the Masons would "exempt" these crimes at ANY level.

[TnDem]

35. Forget the Masons....

Read the list of membership of BC, then imagine yourself there for two weeks every year with these folks:

http://www.pehi.eu/organisations/Bohemian_Grove_members_list.htm

Just IMAGINE the power an outgoing person could make with these folks after a couple of years.

If you read these names and step away from it, you can understand why some things that we may think are important are either totally disregarded or become a moot issue within 10 days...The media moguls are members, the defense contractors are ALL members, the president's staff are mostly members as are 90% of big business leaders.

One phone call to one of 15 powerful new buddies that you met and drank and pissed with at Bohemian Grove and all your problems disappear...It would work well with promotions and contracts too.

Think about it..This is how it works...The quicker you understand it, the more it all comes in to focus.

[Raksha]

38. I was trying to debunk the alleged "Masonic connection,"

NOT support it! But thanks for the link to that very interesting list. I haven't gone over the whole thing, but I just found David Broder's name on that list. Wouldn't you know it!

[pretzel4gore]

41. i agree with that...

the rw try blame all sorts of innocents for whatever they can, usually in effort to distract from the bohemian groves of the world(?)...i know nothing about freemasonry (actually just read a jack the ripper book where freemasonry was mentioned) and only mentioned it regards bohemian grove and its ability to escape media scrutiny (freemasonry also seems largely ignored by media, especially the stuff i mentioned-it might be nonsense, but the book was published, it's on google etc)
i guess i really saying i wish the damn newsmedia kept us informed about what's going on, and expose any secretive groups which wield power- that way such an idea, that high degree freemasons are bound by an oath which does not except even murder or treason, wouldn't exist to cause confusion in 1st place....after all, the newsmedia does fill the bloody air as is!

[Raksha]

44. Wikipedia link on Freemasonry for ya...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry

It's a LONG article! I haven't read the whole thing--only the first few paragraphs, because my main purpose was just to locate some hard information quickly. There are all kinds of secret or initiatory societies in the world. Some are ultra-powerful like the Bohemian Club or the Bilderburg group, while some have only a few members and no power at all. Some are connected (to each other) and some have no connection whatsoever, some are benign and some not so benign. I think it's important not to lump them all together.

I have no doubt that some members of the Bohemian club are also Masons, and others are members of Opus Dei. But none of them would belong to the Masons AND Opus Dei--the Catholic Church hates the Masons with a passion!

[mod mom]

36. wonder if that is why David Gregory is snuggling up to them lately. Maybe he is

hoping for an invitation.

[TnDem]

37. Probably right....

Seriously!...

According to what I read, it usually takes 10-15 years on the waiting list and ongoing social/political/financial influence to even be considered..

As an ambitious reporter, David Gregory may want to fall in the same footsteps as Tom Brokaw, who is apparently high on the totem pole at Bohemian Grove, (as is Walter Cronkite who even performed the owl's voice in the "cremation of care" ceremony).

[senseandsensibility]

69. Well, Walter Cronkite has certainly been an outspoken

opponent of this administration, the war, etc. Just saying.

[TnDem]

71. It means nothing.....

Attorney's are often viciously critical of other attorney's in the courtroom and then they share a latte afterward.

There is a common thread here that should not be ignored.

Why will NO MSM will not report on this at all? Why not Olberman? Maher?

Google the O'reilly and Hannity radio show clips from "John Conner" where he repeatedly calls in over weeks long periods and cannot even get the word "Bohemian Grove" out of his mouth when his mike is cut and he is ridiculed.

[flyarm]

68. sure he wants to get in on the gop=grey old perverts club!!

watch the video in my signature line!!

fly

[Hotler]

40. Call me a bigot if you want.

If you are a member of Bohemian grove you're a greedy perverted crook.

[TnDem]

42. One thing is for sure....

If you are a member, you certainly value being on the "inside track" to power no matter what the cost.

[UTUSN]

43. Tweety NEKKID???????!!!!!!1 Please, Zeus, ZAP me now!!!!1 n/t

[melissaf]

47. There's a book

by Jon Ronson called _Them_ that devotes a chapter to the author sneaking into the weird owl ritual they have every summer at Bohemian Grove. As far as I can remember, Ronson portrays the whole thing as a bunch of dorky rich men letting off steam (and other bodily fluids, apparently), not as something truly evil or pagan. It's a good book, if anyone's interested. Mostly it's about political and religious extremism and has a lot about neonazis, the KKK, Ruby Ridge, etc., but he also explores the whole idea of a tiny group of ultra-rich men running the world.

[bonito]

49. O boy this is going to be a view all thread n/t

[Tsiyu]

51. Form your own club

Of course, if you are a Regular Joe or Josephine and you dress up like that and go dance around drunk in the woods, your local law enforcement will accuse you of hallucinating on mushrooms and you will spend abundant $$$ and lose time at work explaining yourself to the Judge so you have to be secretive.

Figure out who the real over-stuffed and under-principled assholes are in your community, subdivision, office, apartment building, legislature, faculty....whatever, and make a pact to do what it takes - legally - to make those peoples' lives living hell.


There's no law against forming your own club and the enormous owl is optional. :hi:

[Cults4Bush]

53. Bravo!!

hehehe, loved your post! Loved it!:headbang:

[Tsiyu]

58. Why thank you

*bhg blushes*


We "little people," the Great Unwashed, the hoi polloi (sp?) have a lot of power; we just don't realize it.

Go get 'em......

[NancyG]

52. I live in the small town on the Russian River

where the Bohemian Grove is. Two weeks in the summer we are overrun with black SUVs with men in black. Interesting that our town is mostly artists and gays, and we have a yearly rally and march against The Grove.

I've talked to a lot of locals that have worked there when the big shots are there. Never heard about anything evil, just acting like boys set free to be whatever. I had hoped for some good inside scoop, but nothing of interest.

And I remember The Life of Riley. Makes me a geezer?

[kittykitty]

80. you must live in Guerneville, Monte Rio. or Camp Meeker?

We lived in Cazadero in the 60's. I taught in Occidental, and my husband was teacher/principal in Cazadero. No one else ie. artists, gays or monied people were there then. It was an isolated paradise then.

[NancyG]

81. Monte Rio, actually.

The town that hosts this thing. It's certainly an anomoly when they arrive. At one protest, I found it interesting how many musicians seemed to be driving into the Grove.

Bohemian Grove has a concert in town when they're here. My husband went last year. Ed Linkletter. Boring music.

The woman who sold us our house is a lesbian and a Republican and used to work at the Grove as a kid. Like I said, a pretty strange little town in the redwoods.

[kittykitty]

83. I drove thru Monte Rio every day. No one in Caz paid much attention to the Grove-just said some

rich and important guys went there. I used to pass those tall redwoods and never was curious. No concerts in those days. No nothing. I don't think I'd like it now.

[Raksha]

88. The musicians are most likely Associate Members.

They get in at a reduced rate. Although the normal waiting period for a regular membership is about 10-15 years, if you're a good tuba player and the band happens to need one, the wait can be a LOT shorter than that!

[RamboLiberal]

54. I'd like to know about all these f'in secret societies and meetings

the movers and shakers seem to belong to. In addition to Bohemian Grove I want to know about Skull & Bones, Bilderberg Group, Opus Dei and while maybe not technically a secret society, The Carlyle Group.

[Blue_Tires]

57. agreed nt

[slipslidingaway]

61. Me too! At least one presidential candidate attended the

Bilderberg conference in 2003.

And Robert Parry on the Bohemian Grove alibi

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/050905.html

"If you want to understand why George W. Bush and his political allies were so confident they could get away with manipulating information to dupe the American people into war in Iraq, a good place to start might be to look at this photo of 16 men posing for a group shot in front of the Parsonage cottage at the Bohemian Grove on the last weekend of July 1980.

....One alibi proved particularly important for the Reagan-Bush supporters determined to transform the October Surprise probe into a laughable “conspiracy theory.” That alibi was for the whereabouts of Reagan’s late campaign chief William J. Casey on the last weekend of July 1980, when Iranian businessman Jamshid Hashemi placed Casey at a meeting in Madrid with senior Iranian cleric Mehdi Karrubi."


‘Case Closed’

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/050605.html

"Rep. Lee Hamilton, D-Ind., the chairman of the House October Surprise task force, wrote an Op-Ed article for the New York Times, entitled “Case Closed.” It cited the supposedly solid Casey alibis as key reasons why the task force findings “should put the controversy to rest once and for all.” "

[flyarm]

67. start reading this..seriously..

http://www.trance-formation.com/

order those books through amazon..

and watch the video in my signature!!

fly

[moodforaday]

78. I don't know about that...

I would hesistate before recommending either the book or the movie. First, they may seriously f*ck up the mind of anyone who doesn't already know what to expect. I mean, seriously. I'm pretty thick-skinned and still the book gave me a mighty downer for a long while. At least warn people what they are about to face, don't just tell them to go and read/watch.

Secondly, I think this is mostly BS. Maybe I have to think that to defend my sanity - maybe I'm in denial, I'll grant that eventuality. But besides just stretching credulity, the book makes lots of claims that are not consistent, that don't make sense all together at the same time. I'm avoiding details because this is not the right thread, just want to express my reservations.

[flyarm]

120. excuse me..this was even on discovery channel this week in a documentary on

Discovery Channel about the CIA



it is people who ignore it ..that are the ones who will be the least prepared for what is happening in our country!

this was congressional testimony ..under oath to the US CONGRESS and is well documented!

you are doing a huge disservice to this nations people by denying that this existed..this is not a conspiracy theory..this is fact..testifed to the US CONGRESS..

Truth will set us free..
everyone involved in running this program are now running this country!

facts are facts!

do not re-write history



fly

[Matsubara]

60. Could it be he had to masturbate in together Dumbya's coffin?

Enquiring minds want to know.

[Duer 157099]

90. Here's an interesting link

http://www.sonic.net/~kerry/bohemian/index.html

Has some good info

[Duer 157099]

92. Another interesting link

showing some photos of the annual protest that occurs around BG during their summer camp

http://www.nionsc.org/album4.html

[Duer 157099]

93. And from a 1915 issue of National Geographic:

http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/bestvintage/photogallery_02.html

Notice that the photographer was Gabriel Moulin. He (and his son) have an extensive colletion of BoHoGo photos, they seem to have been the main official photographers for the place.

Gabriel Moulin (1872-1945) was a leading California photographer whose subjects included 1906 San Francisco earthquake scenes, Bohemian Grove plays, and the construction of the Golden Gate Bridge. He was born in San Jose, but his family relocated to San Francisco when he was eight years old. In 1884 he began assisting Isaiah West Taber with Taber's commercial photography. After working for photographer Max Karras for a year in 1891, he was soon employed by R.J. Waters, who had a large photography studio in San Francisco. Under Waters, Moulin worked as a photographer for the 1894 California Midwinter International Exposition in Golden Gate Park in San Francisco. He later became the official photographer for the Bohemian Club.

In 1909, he founded Gabriel Moulin Studios in San Francisco. This business is credited with preserving many gelatin nitrate negatives and glass plates from this era. Within five years, Moulin was a firmly established commercial photographer, and was chosen to be the official photographer of the Palace of Fine Arts at the Panama-Pacific International Exposition of 1915. His studio was also chosen to document the construction of the Golden Gate and the San Francisco/Oakland Bay Bridges, and the Golden Gate International Exposition on Treasure Island in 1939/1940.

Moulin's photographic technique is characterized by highly detailed and carefully composed settings. He was particularly well-known for his meticulously crafted home interior photographs. His acquaintances included many well-known, famous San Franciscans, and his documentation of them and their families and homes is a major strength of his photographic collections. Nature photography was of particular interest to him -he photographed California redwood forests including those of Bohemian Grove, as well as parts of Lake Tahoe, Yosemite, and Monterey. A well-known commercial photographer in San Francisco in the 1920s and 1930s, only later was he recognized to have captured significant moments in California history in his photographs.

After Moulin's death in 1945, he left his studio to his sons, Irving and Raymond.

(Source: Moulin, Gabriel. Gabriel Moulin's San Francisco Peninsula : Town & Country Homes, 1910-1930. Compiled by Dr. Donald DeNevi & Thomas Moulin. Sausalito, CA : Windgate Press,
1985.)

Very cool link of some Moulin photos:

http://content.cdlib.org/view?docId=tf7r29p3kg&doc.view=entire_text&brand=oac

[Duer 157099]

94. More historical photos

http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/ft0q2n99r1/;jsessionid=8oahmNIGoYdvrQ0c?&query=oliver&brand=oac">Oliver Collection at Bancroft Library

[femrap]

109. What about the murder of the

boy taken from Boys Town?

http://www.tedgunderson.com/Investigations/Bohemian%20Grove.htm


Even a repugnant investigated and was shocked where the evidence took him...

[MsRedacted]

114. I cycled past BG today on a 75 mile ride. I am quite sure there is nothing

much going on there but a bunch of weed-like expansion of the poison oak.

Trust me there is really nothing very bizarre or pagan about west Sonoma County, unless you have some redwood tree fetish. And if you do -- please, I don't want to know about it


:hi:

[joshcryer]

116. I bet that's some really pretty country out there. :D

Would love to ride through those redwoods. I've been biking 10 miles every other day and yeah. Impressive, 75 miles in a day. ;D

[MsRedacted]

121. It is. I also rode down the coast. You can ride 75 miles -- just increase

your ride 10 miles or so every other week. But I am riding a cnetury in Tahoe in a few weeks. Now that will be a challenge -- mountains.