I have only hate for the little man, he knew what he was being recruited for.

[madokie]

To be the front man for the cabal who would effectively that fateful December day in Florida back in 2000 engage in a coup. The America we used to know is not the America we are living today, while most here on this board know that the majority of the rest of the country will only look at you with disdain if and when you were to even suggest it. What do we do now, get out in the streets to be rounded up like livestock and incarcerated at best, at worst, shot and left to die in the very streets we went to to be heard. America some of your Citizens are crying

[Virginia Dare]

1. He figured he could dress up and play prezident for a while..

while his buddies looted the treasury, just like he played baseball owner and CEO. He's beneath contempt.

[90-percent]

2. Adolph

Adolph Hitler was morally superior to GWB in every measure.

Ahhh, if I had the choice, I guess I'd rather have GWB as current President over Adolph, but the winner margin is only 51%.

-85% Jimmy

[madokie]

4. for all intent and purposes they are one and the same

the body and the time is the only things that are different

[yy4me]

3. We are crying, we are angry, we are shaking our heads in

wonder that the situation in which we find ourselves exists. Where are the smiles, where is the joy? We are in crisis, in debt, in serious jeopardy. We feel hopeless that no matter what efforts we make to counter the evil that surrounds us, nothing works. Change is slow but I feel that in our present state, change may not come in time.

[madokie]

6. no matter now for me I'm too old to ever see the end to this madness

I have faith in our fellow Citizens to do the right thing ultimately but I'm afraid it will be years before they do wake the hell up and see what is going on. I guess we as a country really did lose our innocence back during the depression. Ike warned us about the military industrial complex but it seems today his words were not heeded at all by anyone.

[yy4me]

10. I am old enough to remember when Ike gave that speech.

At the time, I had no idea what it meant. He was exactly right and no-one took it seriously. It took about 50 years to come to this very real crisis we are in and yet some still do not see it.

We as a country are in trouble. Our government is driving us into the ground, next the government itself will go under ground where none can see or monitor anything that is done. Martial law, orchestrated from the sub-basement of the white house.

[EFerrari]

5. Look at the numbers again. Most Americans don't approve of him

or of his "war". Most of them say they don't want impeachment BUT they say they wish he was gone.

We are the majority. Now, we have to get a Congress that truly reflects that.

[madokie]

8. What we really need is a spokes person to carry our message

our message is solid, sound and based in facts, truths if you will. We just don't have a messenger to voice it for us or maybe its they haven't come forward yet. I will be going to my grave having only had 15 good years, 3 with JFK 4 with JC and 8 with WJC. good years are years where one can look to the future with a smile on my face, hope in my heart and pride in my embrace.

[EFerrari]

9. Imho, we have plenty of strong messengers but we need venues.

In the middle of putting out all the other fires, we really need to work on that. The internets are good -- more people everyday leave the teevee or the tubes.

But, we need to make a concerted effort to find, develop and support outlets. Amy Goodman, for example, finds and hosts great spokesmen every day on her show. We need ten of her.

[stillcool]

7. the federal government may be...

impenetrable but our state governments aren't. Somehow, someway, I think the answer lies there.

[personman]

11. Did the "America we used to know" ever exist?

I used to have similar thinking, that "this Bush was the worst thing that ever happened to America"...etc...but I now believe it was merely my brain trying to meld the picture of the government they put in our heads in school with the realities I was seeing when I really began to look at things. In other words, I think it was only my own historical ignorance that led me to believe things were ever much better.

Presidents have done worse things then Bush. He's nothing special. Alot of his policies are extensions of his predecessors, sometimes on both sides of the isle. The government isn't jailing, deporting, firing and blacklisting (yet) people they don't like like during the mccarthy era. We aren't locking up all our middle eastern or islamic citizens like we did to the japanese during WW2. We haven't nuked Iraq like we did Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

Don't get me wrong, Bush is the worst president we have right now (heh), and I think he should be tried for war crimes with Zack De La Rocha as the fair impartial judge. But I think this notion we were ever this shining example of a just and righteous nation...eh, you get the idea. :)

Just some thoughts on the topic.

-personman

[madokie]

12. maybe we live in different countries, I don' know

but none of the examples you give apply here, now or today. theres never been a pResident like bush* none. we've had sorry pResidents don't get me wrong but none who are on the same level as the bushitler*, none, ever.

[personman]

13. "none of the examples you give apply here, now or today."

Why not? No 2 different historical examples will probably ever apply directly to each other, does that mean we can't make comparisons?

(to quote my home-slice chomsky, "History doesn't give controlled experiments, but it often comes pretty close.")

My examples are fine. If you'd rather brush off my points then refute them, go ahead. If you feel the need to say it's my bad example to deflect your insecurity about it, go ahead. You might fool one of us, it won't be me.

"theres never been a pResident like bush* none. we've had sorry pResidents don't get me wrong but none who are on the same level as the bushitler*, none, ever."

I just don't buy it anymore, what about Reagan and Nixon? The more I investigate the more I see they are all monsters.

Edit: If we get a ghoulianni or mccain in 08 they will probably be just as bad or worse.

[madokie]

14. have fun

raygun and tricky are not in the same ball park as shrubbie sorry

[personman]

15. Maybe you give him too much credit.

He's a simple minded fool and just a face for the public. His staff of recycled reagan and nixon scum and neocons are where the really evil inside the skull work is done, IMO. They are nothing new.