Time is only a fly.

[Neoma]

Don't tell me that you don't read. Don't tell me your time is limited. Don't tell me you're not free. Bullshit.

I feel the human eye that can gaze upon a piece of earth made by the imagination is the worlds key to a free conscience. Invoke the hands that drives your car to give up and let your feet do all the work. The effort your mind begins to climb up to is not a flaw in your design. The fault you crave to disappear: made you who you are, and you should hope to every cell in your body that you keep them. The gravity made by Isaac Newton isn't what fly's through your mind before you wake up. Don't tell me you haven't imagined a twist upon the world that you will never see with your pupils.

We guide our mold of a mind and snap it into a thought that will never reach the ears that has to stay open to grasp a wave of vibration that comes strait out of your throat. I want to hear your thoughts written through your hands because these symbols make our eyes hear. What we call time is the best measurement we could find; to find out when we will die. Do not look at time, it is a lie; you will not die if we hear your thoughts. I am not the age that the clock announced me to be, I am who I am without a measurement. It is a lie that the closer you are to death, the more you know. It is a lie that the fault you see in everyone else isn't pretty. It is a lie that you will never be smarter than someone else. Don't feed me your limitations. Don't tell me your life is worthless, it is because you said it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GLMXTu6W4U">"This is your life, and it's ending one minute at a time." So stop counting.


If you say: "I don't read. My time is limited. I'm not free."

My answer will be: You just read what I said, you just used some time and you were free to write that comment.

If you say: "I read but everyone's time IS limited. We are all going to die one day and nothing can change that."

My answer will be: What you do between your 'time' isn't limited, what you see with your five senses are not limited. The clock that moves its hand around: does not control your mind or sense of self. Of course you will die, but to see that as a limitation does not build upon your character. You as an individual should not be counting the minutes towards your death, the time that you see as a limitation, is because you see it that way. Stop.

If you say: "Seeing death as a limitation kind of does build on your character, or rather, it shapes your character. Seeing death as an inevitability will also shape your character."

My answer will be: Yes but with every action you take, the sense of limitation will go with it. You will think about death constantly and your life will be a circle around the ending of your life, if you think it as a inevitability, your health may decline and you will not view life as it is. Your character is shaped by who you are, not by the rules of society. Society does not own you, you own society, action takes place because you own a part of your own culture, you are the boss of who you are because you are not me, but your world owns me because I am a part of it.

If you say: "I think my view of death is a productive one, so I think it helps me. "

My answer will be: Tell me, what are you worth dead? If you are but anything then, why look at what you are in 'time' if you are worth more now. Seeing how you are now, improves everything you say and do. A thing is useless if no words or action comes from it. You are not a thing because you seek action and words. The worth upholds and that human distinction unites with who you are.

If you say: "You can be worth a lot dead. First off you have an insurance payout. Secondly, dying for a cause is very respectable, especially if it's worthwhile beyond anything else you could actually do with your life. Personally I think the human soul is worth more post mortem than it is while on earth, but there's no way to prove that an afterlife exists...so I'll stop with my first two points."

My answer will be: Money isn't a worth, it holds no value. It can feed, but it is not something to be consumed. It affects us only because we want it to affect us. It speaks because we want it to speak, in a sense, the only worth it has is what we put into it and there will be nothing for you to put anything into it when death is what you are. Dying for a cause is worthless, because you are now worthless. Your body is dead, there is no time backwards. Dying has its effect on the living only because it is the last action you took. You will never have another action for everyone to behold. Religion is here to comfort the ones who put their life into it, one limitation at a time. They see death as the end all, be all. You are not all who you are when you end all, you have ceased to exist. Since you have stated that you're in religion, then I will put it in your terms for your understanding: You are not worth anything back on earth when you are dead, the life you live outside of our universe, does not have any affect and you will not effect anything here again.

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If no one reads this thread, my words are worthless: as am I.

[NMDemDist2]

1. dang

that's pretty heavy for this late at night

i'll have to re-visit it in the daylight

[Neoma]

2. I hope you do.

It could use a kick by then.

[Neoma]

14. Is it daylight there yet?

[uppityperson]

3. kick to mark for morning reading also, with a couple quick questions.

What is your definition of "worth"?
If no one reads your thread, your words are worthless, as are you? Your worth is determined by others?
Do you believe in reincarnation, heaven, any sort of being after death except dead?

[Neoma]

4. Here are the answered:

A diamond is worth a certain amount of money because we put worth in the diamond and made it equal to that amount of money which we have also put worth into. Worth is the value we put into the diamond or the money. We are the worth givers, we're important in that extent, to justify what has worth or worthlessness.

My worth is not determined by others, I am only here because I put my thoughts into words. If you read it then the thread is worth something. I think if my thoughts are read, they are worth something no matter what the opinion. I am my thoughts to a certain extent. If the words are not read, the thread has failed and my thoughts may have failed also. To that conclusion I would have to reexamine my life and reconstruct my reasoning. I would be worthless if all my actions are truly at fault. For my actions produced the words you read and without reasonable actions or words: I am worthless.

I do not believe in reincarnation, heaven or anything else after death. But I do not believe they should be excused, they're fun for the imagination.

[uppityperson]

5. Thanks

I don't know what happens after death, seriously think you are just dead, no conciousness continues, but it might, am open for the great whatever.

Worth. What is a person worth? That money they can make? What they can contribute (not just financially but to the continuation of) self, family, society, world?

A diamond is worth different things to different people. The diamond in my ring has been appraised at $7000, if I could find someone to buy it it might give me some amount of money, for me it is priceless since it has been handed down (pun) through 4 generations and I would not sell it and if I lost it would not buy another to replace it. However, it is "worth" a lot to me because of family history, just not worth any money since I won't sell it, wouldn't buy a replacement, will pass down to my child/grandchild if there is one.

Sometimes I find putting my thoughts into written form helps me formulate them more clearly for myself. If no one else reads them, I still get the benefit, some worth. By writing my words, if clarifying my thoughts, or entertaining myself, my writing has succeeded. Peace.

[Neoma]

8. Keyword: death.

Death grants no life because it is dead. I see no conclusion that there is an afterlife, mainly because it is an oxymoron.

We are worth what ever worth we put onto ourselves because we are the worth givers. If you believe you are worthless, it is so. If you believe you are the most important person in the universe, it is so because you believe it. Your diamond ring is priceless because you believe it is. The appraiser does not know what it is worth to you and he will only try to equal it to money because you asked him or her to.

If you are improving yourself, the benefit is yours because you just built your character, you added worth to yourself and you realized it. The effect it has on others will show after you built your character up. This is why your writing in turn is successful.

[qnr]

6. Very interesting. Hard to read (and harder still

to reply to) on a PDA though :)

I understand your views, but I'm not sure that I agree with all of them. Knowing that I am going to die doesn't really place any restrictions on me. Sure, it brings limitations, but they don't really impact me in any significant way, even though I know they exist. Just like knowing that the surface area of the Earth is limited would not have any impact on my desire or ability to continuously explore it.

Anyway, I'm tired and probably not making any sense... and it's a pain typing this on a PDA ... so I'm off to bed.

Nice work :hi:

[Neoma]

9. My words bend and do not restrict what you just said.

To know something doesn't mean you have to devote your whole life towards a certain notion, that is my message there.

[Prophet 451]

7. whoa

Kick to mark this so I can read it when I've had enough coffee to follow it

[Neoma]

10. I did not mean to make it complex.

I guess I have that tendency.

[Neoma]

15. Well it's been sixteen hours.

You read it yet? :P

[Prophet 451]

16. Patience is a virtue

Well, I read it and rec'd it.

Are you, by any chance, a perfectabilist? That is, a believer (as I am) in the perfectability of mankind?

What you seem to be saying is to live life while you can. To an extent, I would agree with that. However, as you've noted, our actions echo throughout time. I still read the words of Shakespeare or Marlowe or Sun Tzu although they're all centuries gone. To that extent, I would disagree with your analysis. Upon my death, my spirit goes onward to the wild blue yonder (and according to my belief system, to an eternal war for freedom), my actions no longer affect those here. However, my thoughts and words do. My thoughts affect other people and through those, yet others. My thoughts and words spark other thoughts which inspire others and perhaps, at the end of that long road of reasoning and counter-reasoning, we arrive at perfection.

Trying to think of how to explain my thoughts here. It's frustrating that the human mind is capable of grasping things which a language designed for telling other monkeys where the ripe fruit was is incapable of explaining.

[Neoma]

17. Thank you for the recommendation, it got to the greatest threads!

I cannot say I believe everything should be perfect, perfection is codeword for boredom for me. I'd rather there be a few weeds here and there just to distract that notion that grass owns our lawns.

I think my point was (man those were some late night thoughts I wrote down...) that if you do nothing, your notion that life will delete the fact that you existed, will come true; if you view time to be the thing that limits what you want to do in life, then you're screwed.

[Prophet 451]

18. Not saying it SHOULD be perfect

Just that it could be. Also, surely perfection implies having a way to stave off boredom.

[Neoma]

19. Well...

I believe all flaws come together into a harmony that we call human, people trying to attain flawlessness are seeking to gain into something more powerful than human. It's healthy to improve, but not healthy to improve into a impossibility of what you are.

[ClayZ]

11. Kick ....to have in the morning with my coffee.

[Neoma]

12. I hope it starts your day alright.

:)

[Neoma]

13. So, is everyone awake now?

:bounce:

[many a good man]

20. My life is ending one DU thread at a time

As I see the ever-growing pile of thread on the floor next to me, I wonder if it is worth as much as the carefully-tailored suit it came from. Then I remember that the things I value highest are free.

[Neoma]

21. Hear, hear!