Righteous romney cites Scripture on gay marriage. Wow, I'm so impressed

[Philosoraptor]

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Should I be impressed or scared when a presidential candidate cites biblical scripture?

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Romney cites Scripture on gay marriage

BOSTON - Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney is defending his opposition to gay marriage by citing the Scriptures.

The former Massachusetts governor, who in his 1994 Senate bid pledged to be a more effective champion for gay causes than his Democratic rival, discussed gay marriage in an interview set to air Sunday on CBS' "60 Minutes."

"This isn't just some temporary convenience here on Earth, but we're people that are designed to live together as male and female and we're gonna have families," he tells interviewer Mike Wallace, according to an excerpt CBS released Friday. "And that, there's a great line in the Bible that children are an inheritance of the Lord and happy is he who has or hath his quiver full of them."

"What's at the heart of my faith is a belief that there's a creator, that we're all children of the same God, and that fundamentally the relationship you have with your spouse is important and eternal," Romney said over the course of two interviews, one of which was taped at his vacation home in Wolfeboro, N.H.
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People who can cite scripture or verses from the Bible always impress some folks, but not me, David Koresh was very adept at citing scripture. Did mitt forget the part where Jesus says to give all your money and possessions to the poor and to live an austere life?

Is he going to be citing scripture on EVERY SUBJECT that comes up? Do we really want a man who makes all his decisions on a two thousand year old book? Or a two hundred year old Bible?

This fucker worries me.

[Hieronymus]

1. Be very afraid.

[Philosoraptor]

4. I hope he doesn't cite, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"

Because some folks took that seriously enough to murder 10 million men, women, and children during the dark ages.

[madokie]

2. count me as one of the very worried ones.

[Philosoraptor]

3. He's handsome! He's passionate! He cites scripture!

And he's the front runner in a class of totally insane candidates, yes, I'm a bit worried here.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

7. I wasn't aware he was polling anywhere near front runner status yet, although he could be considered

the front runner in terms of his money raising prowess.

As far as this scripture business goes, Romney's single biggest weakness is the same as his biggest strength: the fact that he's a Mormon.

It's a strength because it gives him money raising ability from Mormons that the other candidates can't match.

It's his biggest weakness (as far as competing for the nomination) because it will always make him suspect in the eyes of many or most fundamentalists.

That's what all this "scripture" quoting is all about. It's compensating for the Mormon factor. And don't be expecting to hear any MORMON scripture being quoted by him. If he can go through a whole election without mentioning or discussing the fact that he's a Mormon at all (except at primarily Mormon fundraisers), he'd be overjoyed.

[Philosoraptor]

8. Is he citing the old bible, or the new Mormon one?

There are at least two bibles of course, in fact, there are many, many bibles.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

9. Without even checking, I'd guarantee you that any "scripture" that Romney would cite for public

consumption like this is NOT going to be from any Mormon Bible, for the reasons I stated above.

Dude is going to play up the "I'm just like a regular Christian" angle. Not that that scores him any points with me, but that's the strategy.

[BR_Parkway]

12. Seems like the Mormon church cited Bible in defence of polygomy

for many years, did anyone follow up about that?

[xchrom]

5. and like pavlovs dogs -- the bible inerrant crowd

start drooling their votes for mr romney.

tell me again how this guy can be a president for everyone if you don't believe the bible is the first and last word for how to build a society and govern a country?

[Philosoraptor]

6. Millions STILL believe that bush is a good Christian man.

I know, I hear it EVERY day on cspan. You can fool most of the people most of the time with scripture.

[xchrom]

11. yeah -- well the media has a role to play in all that.

when i was growing up -- a guy like falwell would never have been considered the authority in christian life.

that's a program brought to us by design vis a vis people like paul weyrich, billy graham etc.

i'm christian -- but believe me -- this ''born again'' holier than thou crap wasn't always with us like it is today.

[Bluerthanblue]

28. no, the bible inerrant crowd would know that what he said isn't

consistant with what Jesus says about the relationship of marriage and "eternity"

(i was one of them once)


:crazy:

[theHandpuppet]

10. Ol' Mitt is sending out a number of signals here

And it's not just one aimed at gays, everyone's favorite political punching bag. When he states,' "...and we're gonna have families," he tells interviewer Mike Wallace, according to an excerpt CBS released Friday. "And that, there's a great line in the Bible that children are an inheritance of the Lord and happy is he who has or hath his quiver full of them...' " there's a message that he does not support reproduction rights. That women's wombs should bear as many children as the good Lord sees fit, sans access to birth control. That he cannot take seriously any real efforts towards tackling global climate change, because human population control is part and parcel of addressing the issue.

Mitt is making his pitch all right -- there were all manner of messages in that short statement, all of them frightening if you're a 21st century human being who would prefer not to to turn back the clock to a 17th century world.

[MethuenProgressive]

13. Bible talks more about poverty than homosexuality.

The bible on poverty:
Proverbs 19:17
Deuteronomy 15:7
Galatians 2:10
Matthew 19:21
Psalms 41:1
Proverbs 29:7
Luke 6:20
Proverbs 14:31
Psalms 82:3
1 John 3:17
Proverbs 21:13
Proverbs 22:9
1 Corinthians 13:3
Matthew 25:34-46
Acts 20:35
Deuteronomy 15:11
2 Corinthians 9:6-11
James 1:27
Luke 10:30-37
Matthew 10:42
1 Corinthians 4:2
James 2:15-16
Mark 14:1-11
Psalms 62:10
Matthew 25:35
Jeremiah 22:16
Luke 16:19-31
Luke 11:41
Matthew 6:3
Isaiah 58:7
Matthew 10:8
Romans 12:8
Isaiah 58:6-7
Ezekiel 16:49
Matthew 26:11
Ecclesiastes 5:10
Matthew 25:40
When was the last time you saw a Christian protest poverty?

on edit: OK, God has a sense of humor! He turned some of the quotes into smileys!!

[tabasco]

17. It's a miracle!

I think maybe we should check those passages out.

[Bluerthanblue]

27. I agree with your observation about poverty being a bigger issue

in the bible than "homosexuality" (which doesn't actually really 'appear' in the 'bible' at all-)

But as for people who have a christian faith protesting poverty I'll point you to these examples-

Just a sampling of many-


http://www.bread.org/
Bread For The World

http://www.chrf.org/
Children's Hunger Relief Fund- Changing the World One Child at a Time.

http://www.heifer.org/site/c.edJRKQNiFiG/b.201452/
Heifer Project International
Ending Hunger, Caring for the Earth

http://www.mcc.org/
Mennonite Central Comittee
MCC sends people, food and material goods to communities recovering from war and natural disasters.
MCC encourages and supports local churches and community groups in their efforts to provide food, health care, education, employment and social services.

http://churchworldservice.org/
Church World Service-
(the "Crop Walk" people)

http://www.bwanet.org/default.aspx?pid=13
Baptist World Aid is the compassionate arm of the Baptist World Allliance, supporting those in need irrespective of tribe,
caste, color or religion, in four areas of ministry: relief, development, fellowship assistance and ConneXion.

http://www.endhunger.org/
The Society of St.Andrew:Gleaning America's Fields, Feeding America's Hungry


peace-

[MethuenProgressive]

29. Well done, Bluer, but...

By 'protesting' I meant marching on the statehouse or the Capitol with signs and bullhorns, the way they do when protesting gay marriage.

[Bluerthanblue]

30. sorry- I understand- but better than "protesting" is

actually 'doing' something-

You are right though. And personally I despise the 'protesting' and garbage activisim that is done "in defense of marriage"- It's a crock (imo) and nothing more than a chance for people to make themselves feel like they are 'doing something 'righteous' when all they are really doing is pointing fingers at people who are 'different' from them, and who they choose to label "less than"-

I'm much more moved and motivated by the actions and positive results those in the groups I mentioned and the many, many others which address sincere social problems do. It is pretty easy to claim to be 'anti-gay' or 'anti-abortion'- it doesn't require much personal sacrifice of real action. Unlike homlessness, hunger, poverty, the sick etc. Hands on social 'work'-

Maybe it is because it is a 'rights' issue???

Thanks for not just trashing me- I do understand what you are saying, and I agree-
peace,
blu

[NNN0LHI]

14. Jim Jones was always citing scripture too n/t

[notadmblnd]

15. whos Bible is he citing from?

I haven't been a practicing Christian in a very long time, but I don't recall that particular scripture in a Christian bible, anyone know the chapter and verse?

[jkshaw]

16. It's in Psalm 127

But what is suspicious to me is his constantly quoting the Christian bible when Mormons mostly refer to the Book of Mormon. The Bible is a distant second. I suppose the Book of Mormon wouldn't go over too well with his audiences since it would sound pretty exotic, if not oddball.

[Bluerthanblue]

22. in "heaven" there is no 'male nor female'- so it IS something here on earth-

unless the Mormon bible disagrees with Jesus-

Matt. 22 says

29 Jesus replied, "Your problem is that you don't know the Scriptures, and you don't know the power of God. 30 For when the dead rise, they won't be married. They will be like the angels in heaven.

:shrug:

[hfojvt]

26. he does not cite scripture without a citation

my NIV has Psalm 127: 3 "Sons are a heritage from the Lord, children a reward from him. Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are sons born in one's youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them."

It says 'sons' not 'children'.

[Canuckistanian]

18. So is he going to ban shellfish?

Put farmers to death for growing two crops in the same field?

Encourage people to get slaves?

Stone women in the streets for prostitution?

Execute people for adultery? (very problematic for today's Repubs) Idolatry? Cursing? Blasphemy? False Prophecy? Witchcraft? Violation of the Sabbath? These are all crimes that merit the death penalty according to the Bible.

I would be careful about using that book to justify ANYTHING.

[Philosoraptor]

19. Perhaps he'll be asked to sacrifice his son.

[Philosoraptor]

20. .............

[IChing]

21. ...Romney listen buddy.

You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans,
and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women,
but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit
impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god
who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.


You believe that the entire population of this planet with
the exception of those who share your beliefs --
though excluding those in all rival sects -
will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering.
And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem
believing in a Triune God.

[Bluerthanblue]

23. he is not correct according to Jesus-

who clearly says that there is NO 'male' or 'female' in 'heaven'-

Matt. 22:29

29 Jesus replied, "Your problem is that you don't know the Scriptures, and you don't know the power of God. 30 For when the dead rise, they won't be married. They will be like the angels in heaven.(New Living translation)

[Bluebear]

24. I have my quiver full of Mittens, up to HERE. nt

[Initech]

25. The LAST thing this country needs is another president who thinks he's Jesus.

Look at Bush and the insane amount of damage that he's done to this country and the planet because of his over-inflated messianic complex. :puke:

[rug]

31. He has an exit strategy though.