Palast Has Rove's E-Mails - "Its All About The Votes"

[kpete]

Dollars & Sense: In the new edition of your book, ARMED MADHOUSE, you report on the theft of the 2008 election. How do you know what they’re doing? Any way to stop them?

Palast: I know because I have Karl Rove’s emails. No kidding. He and his team aren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer. They sent copies of their plans to GeorgeWBush.ORG instead of GeorgeWBush.COM addresses — and, heh heh, they ended up in my in-box. Who says this job ain’t fun?

Dollars & Sense: Bush fired eight prosecutors. You were behind the scenes on that story long before it broke in the US. What are they still withholding from us?

Palast: Look, it’s all about VOTES. You’ll see that the prosecutor that Karl Rove insisted in putting in place is a slithery character named Tim Griffin. He’s the guy I busted as the spider-mind behind the “caging lists” which purged thousands of Black voters. The prosecutors fired, as you’ll see in Armed Madhouse, include those, like David Iglesias in New Mexico, who refused to bring phony cases of fraud against legitimate voters. It’s a matter of economics: the Republican party is systematically knocking out lower-income voters; that makes their purges racially biased — but my data show that’s just the effect of hunting down and attacking the ballot power of working class and poor voters. Disenfranchisement is class war by other means.

.......

Palast: A lot of intelligent folk believe Bush had a secret plan to grab the oil fields of Iraq before the tanks rolled. That’s wrong. He had TWO plans. In Armed Madhouse, I show you both — the result of two years undercover for BBC. The plans conflict. There’s the neo-con plan: Privatize — that is, sell off — everything, “especially the oil” industry. That’s a quote from the 101-page document which I learned was written by the neo-cons. That didn’t happen — because a Jim Baker team — he’s the lawyer for both Exxon and Saudi Arabia — secretly wrote a 323-page plan that called for CONTROLLING the oil flow, not owning it. The purpose was to LIMIT the supply of oil from Iraq and keep prices high. This would, “enhance relationship with OPEC” — the oil cartel. That’s a quote from the document you’re not supposed to see.

So here it is: the invasion was about LIMITING the flow of oil from Iraq, keeping prices high, not grabbing the oil to bring prices down for your SUV. The secret Baker plan is now the law in Iraq and prices are over $50 a barrel. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

much more at:
http://www.gregpalast.com/amy-goodman-and-greg-palast-moms-day-broadcast/#more-1729

[Richard Steele]

1. K&R

[radfringe]

60. ON C-SPAN TONIGHT SUNDAY 7-PM EST

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2007/05/11/amy_goodman_and_greg_palast_mom_s_day_br

[Viva_La_Revolution]

2. Does anybody have a link to the text of the new chapter?

I bought the hardcover copy as soon as it came out, my splurge for the year. I'm re-reading it now. :)



Book TV Schedule: May 12th - 14th

*Anatomy of Deceit: How the Bush Administration Used the Media to Sell the Iraq War and Out a Spy.
*2007 LA Times Festival of Books - Iraq Panel - featuring: William Langewiesche, T. Christian Miller, Robert Scheer, and Chris Hedges.
*Not On Our Watch: The Mission to End Genocide in Darfur and Beyond
This Moment on Earth: Today's New Environmentalists and Their Vision for the Future.
*2007 LA Times Festival of Books - State of the Union Panel - featuring: Amy Goodman, Douglas Kmiec, Greg Palast.
*2007 LA Times Festival of Books - Age of Spin Panel - featuring: Frank Luntz, Joe Conason, David Goodman, and Michael Isikoff.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x870952

[acmavm]

3. K&R indeed!

[Ghost in the Machine]

4. K&R

When is he going to release the emails?

[stlsaxman]

83. Good question! also, are those emails un-redacted and hasn't he forwarded them to

Pat Leahey in the Senate or Conyers in the House?

if not, maybe it's all about the book sales...

just sayin' :eyes:

[formercia]

5. And if the Iraqis don't go along

send the boys out to blow up their pipelines untill they agree.

[ck4829]

6. K&R

[ThomWV]

7. Finally!

I've been saying it was about control, not ownership, of the oil for the last two years.

[nealmhughes]

47. Me, if one follows the money, the evidence says that a tight and figetty market is what Big Oil

aka BushCo, Inc. wish more than anything.

Everything else is just a means to justify the occupation, all the imaginary mushroom clouds over Alexandria and Tel Aviv -- the call to arms to liberate, like a new Napoleon ending serfdom as he sweeps to the East. . .
The tight tap is precisely what the OPEC wants. Saddam was a threat of opening the tap in vengeance, as is Iran.

The more jitters that the erl traders have in London, the better for the heads of the companies. Why should they care? It's only the sweat of the hoi polloi, and the Masters have airconditioned limos and offices.

[femrap]

8. k and r......nt

[Dinger]

9. O.K., Let's Go With This

It ain't good news till all this bullshit stops.

[Cruzan]

10. It was also about Israel

The invasion and the whole PNAC 'democratizing the Middle East' all had protecting Israel at the heart.

[Pacifist Patriot]

27. Not in the slightest...

except in the sense that assisting Irsael keeps the fundamentalist base pacified. Israel isn't the end, its one of the means.

[meldroc]

11. It's all about the votes.

When they can freely steal our elections, then they can continue their power grab, which is all about the oil, all about Israel, and all about class warfare - they can continue to broker new NAFTA-style deals to further fuel the race to the bottom which is destroying American jobs and increasing our trade deficit.

[L. Coyote]

20. Immigration legislation also involved in voter suppression

When a class of the lowest-paid workers has no right to vote in a democracy, which end of the political spectrum is excluded????

The illegal immigration of the past decade has created a neopolitical imbalance.

[rox63]

12. Any chance Palast might hand over the emails to Leahy and Conyers?

It might be helpful, if they can't get ahold of the ones KKKarl deleted from the server.

[kpete]

13. rox63

I am thinking they probably ALREADY have them...what do you think?

[DemReadingDU]

14. If Congress has the emails

why isn't Congress filing lawsuit against Rove? If Congress can't bring Rove to court/jail, who can?

[kpete]

15. Rove

will face justice (and not just Rove), when, I don't know. We have all been patient. I continue to be patient. The evidence is coming to light. The atrocities have been well documents. All we need now is the RIGHT MOMENT!

I STILL BELIEVE, kpete

[Warpy]

17. Justice can be served in many ways, but it's best served cold

If Rove & Cheney escape justice on earth, think of them both dying in bed, helpless and unloved, and realizing everything they grabbed on earth is going to stay here, probably going to their enemies, while they exit as they entered, naked and irrelevant to the world.

[kimmerspixelated]

33. Very well put!

[L. Coyote]

24. We are seeing the PUBLIC FACE of a very serious constitutional CRISIS

and the amount behind the scenes could be massive by comparison.

When asked if he is in charge of DoJ, Gonzales said, "I was."
Is Gonzales the TARGET of a Grand Jury? Who else is no longer "in charge?"

[vickitulsa]

49. This has been my theme song for a couple of years, and I still sing it.

When you think about it (and we all do a lot of THAT), it just makes logical sense that whatever we uncover -- whatever anyone uncovers about these thugs that corroborates their involvement in crimes (and other skulduggery that may not rise to the level of prosecutable crimes but is still rotten enough to piss off anyone who hears about it), we'll probably learn about only a small fraction of all that has been going on behind their closed doors for years.

Concerned citizens and prosecutors and special investigators can dig and dig and turn up mounds of crimes and shady dealings, and still we have to recognize that there will be many more yet that haven't seen the light -- and may never be found out.

That thought is what gives me the shudders late at night when I'm wanting to sleep but my mind won't stop running over these crucial issues. Given what we DO know about, how many horrors of theirs have we not yet even dreamed of have they committed?

What gives me hope -- and I think it's fully justifiable now to have hope -- is that the very size of the piles of crimes and other offenses committed by these liars and thieves means it will be virtually impossible for them to have all their bodies (and documents) buried in secure and undiscoverable places.

Ya just can't do as much wrong as Bu$hCo and their cohorts in crime have done without a lot of it being uncovered, eventually. Patient people receive their just rewards! :)

And there's that thing about a house of cards, too....

[Jackpine Radical]

19. I was thinking that very thing.

I bet our team has those emails & have dissected them 6 ways from Sunday & know exactly what they're looking for. When Rove & Co. hand over the redacted & selected set, Waxman & Conyers can say, "Uh, I think you forgot to include this one, and this one, and...."

Something tells me Palast would have enjoyed every second of delivering the goods.

[Spinzonner]

16. How does Palast know that the 'misdirected' emails

weren't sent intentionally as an insulating preemptive attack provoker.

Akin to what Rove did to the writer of the Bush Bio and then Dan Rather and CBS on the National Guard issue.

i.e. pollute the newsstream with some anti-Bush material which can then later be debunked to insulate them from later attacks on the same material. Classic Rove.

[Warpy]

18. The memos were never thoroughly debunked

and their content was ruled legitimate by Killian's secretary at the time, Mrs. Knox.

Rather was viciously attacked because their legitimacy as being copies of the originals was never proven.

[JackBeck]

23. Exactly.

Everyone always forgets the second part of the secretary's interview when she said that the documents looked fake, BUT that the information in them was legitimate.

[KittyWampus]

56. Yes, they were debunked because the secretary outright SAID they weren't hers.

She said the content was mostly correct. But she absolutely did not write the ones Rather had. His contained incorrect jargon for the branch of military she worked for.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

26. Do you recall the "caging list" that was released by Palast in 2004?

That was from an email sent to georgewbush.org by accident.

Link to article re: caging: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/3956129.stm

Link to Newsnight response to Republican complaint: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/3963089.stm

Link to two related DU threads:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1165947#1176029
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1175925

It would appear that they really were stupid enough to confuse the .com with .org.

[WiseButAngrySara]

42. Oh thanks for posting this. I remember reading this on DU

with absolute shock and horror! I thought for sure that this would land someone in jail. How naive I was. I hope this wasn't a Rovian set-up as suggested upstream, and was truly just a ?lucky accident.

[Swamp Rat]

21. k&r

[BrainGlutton]

22. I GOTTA get the new edition of Palast's book!

I've already got an autographed copy of the first edition!

BTW, we've been discussing this on the Straight Dope Message Board. Check out the following threads:

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=420050 (now locked -- posters were getting too personal with each other, against forum rules)

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=420582 (started to continue the discussion)

Where Pub vote-rigging, etc., is concerned, we have a lot of stubborn deniers over at the Dope.

I also started a thread some time back about Palast's theory on the real motives of the Iraq War, but it never sparked much interest: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=381910

[ClayZ]

52. My husband can't put it down.....

long enough for me to pick it up. He is filling me in... He keeps saying, "It is worse than we thought!"

[Stephanie]

25. Indeed!

If that's the plan, they've certainly succeeded.

[Roland99]

28. But "impeachment is off the table"

:mad:

[deutsey]

46. Bad form, you know.

:eyes:

[Ghost in the Machine]

77. gotta keep the powder dry!

:eyes:

[bonito]

29. K&R

[earth mom]

30. K & R. eom

[AnnInLa]

31. This was before the 2004 election, and

DUers were the ones who downloaded the emails and got them to Palast. I know, because I still have mine. The emails were of caging targets....but when confronted about them, the republic party said they weren't about suppressing the vote at all, but were about something else. Anyway, nothing was proved, or maybe nothing was attempted to be proven.

[KittyWampus]

57. It wasn't DU'ers, it was another group who got those emails NOT Palast. And he isn't saying anything

we don't already know.

I am not impressed with Palast.

[AnnInLa]

65. All I know is this:

As soon as those emails, with attachments listing caging targets, were posted on the website, a DUer noticed it. He posted here, and many of us started downloading them like crazy, because we knew they wouldn't be up long. I had been sending some "tips" to Ana Marie Cox at Wonkette.com, and immediately emailed her about it. She immediately, within 2 minutes of my email, put it up on her site. At that point, the website took the emails down. Ana Marie emailed me and asked for the emails I had downloaded. She said she would get them to someone who "would know what to do with them." I sent them to her. I don't know if Palast got them from her, or from a DUer, or from X, Y, or Z. Many people reading this OP, think that Palast has recent emails from rove, not knowing these are emails from 2004...which have been addressed over and over again by the press and others (altho never receiving the attention they should have.)

[DemKR]

32. biggest k&r i ever gave

[yardwork]

34. A lot of us have known this - it's been clear from the evidence

Thank you, Palast and everyone who works so hard to prove what so many of us have suspected for so long. We owe you an enormous debt.

NOW - WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT????!!!!!!

[proud patriot]

35. k and r

I got to see Palast in Oakland . This is of the upmost importance .

:kick:

[Dr.Phool]

36. Kick again!

Keep it on top for a week. Everybody needs to see it.

[NJCher]

37. well, this certainly explains something

Palast: Look, it’s all about VOTES. ... It’s a matter of economics: the Republican party is systematically knocking out lower-income voters; that makes their purges racially biased — but my data show that’s just the effect of hunting down and attacking the ballot power of working class and poor voters. Disenfranchisement is class war by other means.

A friend's son took a job as a federal prosecutor. When I asked her how he liked his new job, she said, "He said they spend all their time on piddly little voter fraud cases. They are nothing cases." She went on to say her son couldn't understand why all their time was consumed with such inconsequential nonsense.

So not only did they politicize the hiring process for the AG's, they managed to occupy the time of the prosecutors with knocking out these lower income voters. And btw, my friend's son works (or should I say worked) for one of the fired prosecutors. So even the fired AG's were still letting their staff be run around with the republican class war agenda.



Cher

[blogslut]

38. Ya mean these emails?

http://2004.georgewbush.org/deadletteroffice/index.asp

Are these the same that Palast has? If so, everyone can have them! Download them. Study them. Enjoy. :)

[Hissyspit]

44. That's why when I read Palast's post this morning I didn't even bother to post it to DU. I thought

it was old news. Maybe I was confused and, even if it was, obviously there is a lot of interest and it is good that kpete posted it. But I wonder, am I having brain farts or is he talking about new ones? If they are new ones, can he not post new details?

[KittyWampus]

58. Exactly, Palast is full of shit. Here is a list of the Webteam from the site that got those emails:

Palast isn't on it.

Writers:
» John A. Wooden
» Mrs. Betty Bowers
» John DeVore
» Christian Harper
Contributing Writers:
» William Asher
» Harry Hardwick
» Kat Kinsman
» Jake Novak
» Ben Platt
» Geoffrey Zoref

Video Editor:
» Jeff Tomsic

Contributing Artists:
» Andy Arkley
» Brian Frisk
» Charles Graef
» Kat Kinsman
» Mike Pisiak

House Band:
» SATANICIDE

Advanced Technical Assistance:
» Adam Newman
» Chris Weibel

[blogslut]

75. I'm not saying Palast is full of anything.

If you watch the YouTube that is linked downthread, you'll see Mr. Palast is indeed referring to the dead letter office @ georgewbush.org. He gives total props to the site owner who brought them before the public eye.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x28238

[Garbo 2004]

80. Palast hasn't claimed that he dug up the emails himself. And he reported about them in Oct 2004

for the BBC. Were any other media outlets at the time presenting a program on the caging lists in October 2004?

He's publically acknowledged that the parody website was the one that originally got the emails sent to them in error and he subsequently received them, so how is he "full of shit?"

[Raksha]

78. Thanks for the link...I was just reading some of those e-mails.

VERY revealing! Some of them would almost be funny, if the Repukes hadn't succeeded in stealing the election. That was when I first discovered DU, a few weeks after the 2004 election, and I've been here ever since.

[Canuckistanian]

39. OMG, he's hit the motherlode

Everything we've been saying. Everything we've been speculating about.

He has the actual, honest to Gawd emails.

:wow:

[L. Coyote]

40. X-Post: Political Videos - Greg Palast and RFK Jr. in NYC - May Day 2007

Greeby Sat May-12-07 03:41 PM
Greg Palast and RFK Jr. in NYC - May Day 2007
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x28238

[blogslut]

43. Thanks

These videos are great stuff. :)

[Connonym]

41. the oil strategy makes even more diabolical sense

when you think about the false sense of oil security that brought about the resurgence of gas guzzling vehicles and the resistence to increase fuel efficiency to a fraction of what it could be. Not that dissimilar to the drug dealer who gives you your first taste free to get you hooked.

I'm constantly amazed at how much further W and Co. can continue to increasingly disgust me. I keep thinking we have to hit bottom soon but it just goes deeper and deeper.

[deutsey]

45. Palast also had the goods on purging the voter roles in Florida in 2000

That didn't exactly light a fire of interest in Congress or among the media.

Let's hope these emails will.

[merh]

48. And they are still trying to strong arm the Iraqi government to pass

the legislation that would allow the US & GB oil corporations to produce the oil and receive production costs plus profits, what is left (if anything) would go to the Iraqi nation.

The leases would be for 30 years, which would mean we would have American interests in the ME that required our protection, thus the military industrial complex is made happy with the continued military presence and conflicts. Thus the need for the bases and the monstrous embassy.

They don't have any intention in "winning" just in establishing a presence and the need for the military, corporate occupation with military body guards.

[Quantess]

50. Kicking

back to page one.

[Kool Kitty]

51. Kicked for the late-nighters.

[jarnocan]

53. Cspan tomorrow 7PM book reveiw with Amy Goodman and Greg!!! nt

[Enthusiast]

55. Pardon me.................

Pardon me for being so naive but why can't anything be done about this? It seems to me that everyone involved with these schemes should be in prison for years and years. Why don't the Demcrats fully support the impeachment of Dick Cheney? Why doesn't the media take all this seriously? This is vast.............

[glitch]

69. Apparently the US Attorneys who have jurisdiction over these crimes have their own agenda

dictated to them by Bush/Rove/Gonzales stooges.

That's why this old scandal is getting a new wind now, these are two very important dots finally getting connected.

[Robson]

71. Good question - but pols believe some questions shouldn't be answered

Me thinks that some of these questions evoke answers that those in power of both parties do not ever want truthfully answered in the front page.

Answers could mean serious loss of confidence in the USA and the dollar and you know what that would mean.

[donheld]

59. Taping

Thanks for the info

[SpiralHawk]

54. Why do republicons HATE America?

eom

[Enthusiast]

61. Exactly............

Yes, why do Republicans hate America? And I wonder what kind of country Bush supporters want to live in. Are these people ideologically Nazis? Some are, I'm sure, but surely not all. Just misguided Rush Limbaugh listeners?

[L. Coyote]

63. They don't, they love the $$BILLION$$ they are siphoning off

and they love it when other issues take attention away from the BOSS HOGS trough and feeding frenzy.

While these issues are VERY important, a really complete BIG PICTURE is what America and the People need right now. WE 103,000 here at DU can play an important role is dissemination of that picture, by not losing sight of the context in which the various issues are playing out, and the underlying BOSS HOGS who are at the public corruption trough, the oil profits trough, the war profits trough, the tax breaks trough, the pork trough, the earmarks trough, .......

They love America, because they are getting verry, veerrry FAT. They love the $$BILLIONS$$ out of this Nation.

[glitch]

70. They love us like leeches. Ah, the true leech love that only repukes can have ($$$). nt

[The Backlash Cometh]

62. When did Palast get these e-mails?

Why doesn't he just rent space on the NYTs and publish them all?

WHY IS EVERYONE TEASING US AT THIS TIME? This is like Bush and his bullhorn moment. He's captivated the attention and sympathy of the world, and then he pisses it all away. Strike when the iron is hot. If you have information that can bring this administration down, BRING IT!

[L. Coyote]

64. They were before the 2004 vote e-mails, forwarded to Palast ??? n/t

[KittyWampus]

66. palast didn't get jack shit. This is about emails ANOTHER group got & were posted here years ago.

[The Backlash Cometh]

68. Was the "org" group pro-Republican or pro Democrat?

I just can't believe how slow important information gets dispersed in this country, and yet, if a celebrity gives someone herpes, it becomes national news!

[Garbo 2004]

81. and in the except noted in the OP, Palast himself says the emails originally were received

by the parody website: "They sent copies of their plans to GeorgeWBush.ORG instead of GeorgeWBush.COM addresses — and, heh heh, they ended up in my in-box." And Palast reported on the caging lists included with the emails at the time in Oct 2004.

[Garbo 2004]

74. This info dates from 2004. Emails were made public, including the caging lists in

excel spreadsheets. BBC Newsnight aired Palast's report about them in Oct 2004. Little mention of them in the US media as I recall.

The website that got the emails in error is a parody website. http://2004.georgewbush.org/deadletteroffice/index.asp

Tim Griffin was involved in the caging list op.

This was discussed here at DU in 2004. What makes it notable again at this time is the Griffin/Rove connection in the US attorney firings. The emails aren't new and they were previously made public. There is an even broader significance now when tied to Griffin and the Rove/WH push for DOJ "voter fraud" investigations and the firings of US attorneys.

[lonestarnot]

67. ewwww! I love this man!

I want to rub his hair! :loveya:

[CHIMO]

72. He Was On

Bob McChesney's program of May 6, 2007.

http://willmedia.will.uiuc.edu/ramgen/archives/mediamatters070506.rm
Starts at 6:19 into the program.

http://www.will.uiuc.edu/am/mediamatters/default.htm

[On the Road]

73. I Loved Palast's Material on the 2000 Election

but since then, I have really become suspicious of some of his claims which he is not able to substantiate. If he has emails to this effect, he should release them or at least quote from them.

[Garbo 2004]

76. The emails were made public in 2004. The website that received them still has

some of them published on their website, including emails from Tim Griffin. http://2004.georgewbush.org/deadletteroffice/index.asp

[On the Road]

84. I See. I Misunderstood

and thought that Palast was also saying that the Iraq invasion was covered in the emails, but that's a different part of the interview.

[yurbud]

79. kick

[Decruiter]

82. Oiligarchy keeps its priorities straight

[Quantess]

85. For people who were out enjoying the sunshine this weekend,

Here's a kick.

[Quantess]

87. Oh Yeah!

[Manifestor_of_Light]

86. This story was on Democracy Now! this morning.

Palast said that Rove had sent emails indicating he didn't like Palast, because "thsi story has not been covered by the U.S. mainstream media" (Pacifica and Democracy Now! are not mainstream). Rove was also mad at Palast for being a "British reporter". Turns out that Palast works for the Beeb, but he is an American.

He has also done a documentary about the Katrina tragedy.