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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 02:00 PM
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Well it looks like the entire Bush criminal enterprise will go unprosecuted...
http://crooksandliars.com/node/38535

From the moment he entered the White House, President Obama's attitude towards the crime, corruption and politicization of the Bush Justice Department has been to "look forward and not backwards." As we've seen for the third time in just the last several days, that's working out just fine for the Bush lawyers.

On Wednesday, prosecutor Nora Dannehy announced she would bring no charges against Alberto Gonzales, Karl Rove, Harriet Miers, Monica Goodling or any of the key players behind the purge of 9 U.S. attorneys. That scandal, part of a larger effort to target Democratic politicians and suppress Democratic voter turnout, will go unpunished despite the key roles of Rove and Miers, and the apparent perjury of former Attorney General Gonzales.


Oh and now Bybee and Alberto (I don't recall remembering) Gonzales consider themselves victims.

:puke:
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 02:02 PM
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1. posted about this earlier, after hearing it on DN--interesting that none of the msm seems to be
covering it.

it looks like not one single member of that corrupt, lying, war-fear-and-hate-mongering cabal is VER going to face charges for any of their crimes.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 02:08 PM
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4. Once again we condone treason, extortion and other crimes by our government
Edited on Thu Jul-22-10 02:09 PM by XOKCowboy
Same as when we condoned Watergate and Iran-Contra. Yet people still go to jail for possession of marijuana.

edited to change crimes in our government to by our government
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:37 PM
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78. And like with those cases...
...this will come back and bite us in the ass real hard. I cannot believe the cowardice of this administration. No one is above the law?

Yeah, right.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 02:41 PM
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22. I recall
Advocating impeachment long, hard, and continuously. I was told by some of the right leaning, conservadems that used to litter this place that Impeachment would detract from the fall elections. I was told that we should be patient and wait and that prosecutions could come after the Bushies were out of office.

I did not believe them then so I am not suprised now.

But I do want those anti-impeachment people to remember what they said and what they believed and acknowledge that they were either lying to me here or that they were well and truly wrong.
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 10:31 AM
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47. They're not covering it because this is an opinion piece.
"That scandal, part of a larger effort to target Democratic politicians and suppress Democratic voter turnout, will go unpunished despite the key roles of Rove and Miers, and the apparent perjury of former Attorney General Gonzales."

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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 01:42 PM
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88. The fact that the media ignores it is all the proof one needs to ascertain
that they all are guilty. The truth might hurt their ratings and their leaders. No story is the proof.
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av8rdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 02:07 PM
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2. Of course they will go unprosecuted
We have to look FORWARD, dontcha know.

:sarcasm:

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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 02:16 PM
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8. I'm sure that if the Repugs regain the congress and White House they'll do the same...
RIGHT! :sarcasm:
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 02:31 PM
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14. ROFL!
:evilgrin:
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 02:07 PM
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3. Another Republican administration, another rash of unpunished crimes.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 02:29 PM
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12. Followed by another Democratic administration with the same agenda.
One might think that after you've been beat up by the same gang, one might get the idea that they are not and never will be on your side, but alas...

:hi:Chuckles


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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 02:36 PM
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19. Hogwash. Clinton wasn't the same as Reagan, Obama isn't the same as W.
Clinton reversed Reaganomics and the economy flourished. Obama hasn't been that bold, but he has at least countered the worst of their actions, and at least stopped the mad rush over the cliff (it's a slower crawl at the moment). If you don't recognize which group is on your side, you will keep returning to the same old gang that beats you up.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 02:57 PM
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23. Pigplop, Clinton accelerated Raygunomics (would you like the whole list?) and the economy
"flourished" because tech took off, a boon that he moved to kill (export) as quickly as possible. He also quashed investigations and the prosecutions of BCCI/Iran-Contra that would follow in his first months. The entire Clinton administration can be summed up as an eight year quest to create a few billionaires at the expense of the new economy that was supposed to replace the old one his predecessors destroyed.

I recognize quite well that neither of these groups is on the people's side as everything they've done since day one has overwhelmingly favored one tiny group at the expense of the rest of us. The economic collapse has not been dealt with in any meaningful way, except to open up the bottomless American checkbook to prop up the perpetrators and consolidate the stranglehold they have on us. And this latest "sweeping reform" continues the tradition. The small are blocked from competing with the "too big to fail", while they are only required to tweak some "products" and tell their BFF (The Fed) about a few of them.

They have been building this cage for 30 years and the most you can see is that the bars have been painted.


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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 11:43 AM
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55. You have it ass backwards
Clinton dismantled Reaganomics with his 1993 economic plan which raised taxes on top earners and lowered them on the lower class and 90% of small businesses. The OPPOSITE of Reaganomics. Read it and weep.

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/02/18/us/clinton-s-economic-plan-the-details-clinton-s-plan-austerity-and-change.html

Health insurance: Income above $135,000 would be made subject to Medicare payroll tax. Revenue in billions 1994: 2.8 1997: 6.8 1993-98: 29.2

Energy: Fuels would be taxed according to their energy content; a gasoline tax scheduled to expire on 9/30/95 would be extended. Revenue in billions 1994: 1.5 1997: 24.9 1993-98: 79.3

Club dues: Club membership expenses could no longer be deducted either as an individual or business expense. Revenue in billions 1994: 0.1 1997: 0.3 1993-98: 1.2

Moving expenses: The plan would disallow deductions for meals and real estate expenses during moves. Revenue in billions 1994: 0.1 1997: 0.4 1993-98: 1.7

Social Security Taxes: Taxes would rise on Social Security benefits for people with adjusted gross incomes exceeding $25,000 (individuals) or $32,000 (couples). Revenue in billions 1994: 2.7 1997: 6.9 1993-98: 21.4 BUSINESS TAXES

Executive pay: Businesses would not be able to claim payments to a single individual of more than $1 million as a deductible expense. Revenue in billions 1994: 0.1 1997: 0.2 1993-98: 0.6

Business meals and entertainment: Only 50 percent of such costs could be deducted; down from 80 percent. Revenue in billions 1994: 1.8 1997: 3.7 1993-98: 16.1

Corporate tax rate: The rate would be increased to 36 percent, from 34 percent, for taxable income above $10 million. Revenue in billions 1994: 7.7 1997: 5.7 1993-98: 30.6

Securities dealers: Would be required to price their holdings at market value. Revenue in billions 1994: 0.5 1997: 1.1 1993-98: 4.4

Puerto Rico: Tax incentives for corporate investment there would be limited. Revenue in billions 1994: 0.2 1997: 2.1 1993-98: 7.0

Lobbying: Lobbying expenses would no longer be deductible. Revenue in billions 1994: 0.1 1997: 0.2 1993-98: 1.0

International Business: Miscellaneous increases. Revenue in billions 1994: 0.8 1997: 2.1 1993-98: 8.6 TAX BREAKS: Individual taxes

Earned Income Tax Credit: Clinton wants to expand this credit aimed at low-income families with children. Revenue in billions 1994: 0.5 1997: 6.7 1993-98: 26.8 Business taxes:

Investment tax credits: The credits would be temporary for large businesses and permanent for small businesses. Revenue in billions 1994: 9.2 1997: 2.3 1993-98: 28.9

Research and experimentation credit: The plan would make it permanent. Revenue in billions 1994: 1.2 1997: 2.0 1993-98: 9.6

Real Estate: The plan would extend low-income housing credits and mortgage revenue bonds and change certain investment rules. Revenue in billions 1994: 0.6 1997: 1.3 1993-98: 5.5

Training and education: The Administration would make permanent a credit for employer-provided education assistance, and would provide credits for certain jobs and youth apprenticeships. Revenue in billions 1994: 0.6 1997: 1.0 1993-98: 5.0

Enterprise Zones: President Clinton wants to provide tax credits for businesses in needy areas. Revenue in billions 1994: 0.1 1997: 1.2 1993-98: 4.1

Capital gains: The capital gains tax would be cut only for new investments in small businesses. Revenue in billions 1994: 0 1997: 0.4 1993-98: 0.7 SPENDING CUTS

Defense Department: The department would reduce new weapons purchases, troop levels, training and maintenance. It would also freeze pay in 1994 and give smaller-than-forecast salary increases in the future. Revenue in billions 1994: 11.8 1997: 36.2 1993-98: 126.9

Environmental Protection Agency: The agency would not renew certain wastewater treatment grants, except near the Mexican border. Revenue in billions 1994: 0.1 1997: 1.9 1993-98: 6.3

Staff Reductions: President Clinton plans to eliminate 100,000 Federal staff positions through attrition over four years. Revenue in billions 1994: 0.9 1997: 2.5 1993-98: 10.5

Administrative Efficiencies: Miscellaneous savings would be achieved across all Federal agencies other than the Defense Department, for which savings are counted separately. Revenue in billions 1994: 0.7 1997: 3.5 1993-98: 11.2

Streamlining Government: President Clinton would take various measures to streamline all Federal agencies, not counting the Defense Department Revenue in billions 1994: 0.6 1997: 3.3 1993-98: 12.1

Pay for Federal employees: They would receive no raise in calendar 1994, and certain rules for calculating their pay would change in 1995. Revenue in billions 1994: 1.4 1997: 2.7 1993-98: 11.3

Interest on national debt: The Administration would shorten the maturity of Treasury securities. Revenue in billions 1994: 1.6 1997: 3.9 1993-98: 16.4 Controlling health care costs: President Clinton plans a very long list of specific limits on Federal health care spending. Revenue in billions 1994: 3.1 1997: 17.2 1993-98: 60.3 SPENDING INCREASES

Short-term economic: A package of highway construction, wastewater cleanup projects and summer jobs for youths would be put in effect this year. Revenue in billions 1997: 0 1994-98: 30.0

Energy: The Federal Government would spend more money on nuclear fusion research and on the developing renewable energy sources and more energy-efficient Federal buildings. Revenue in billions 1997: 1.3 1994-98: 3.0

Environment: Research would be done in forestry management and the development of new environmental technologies, while more money would be spent on clean water and the protection of natural resource. Revenue in billions 1997: 3.5 1994-98: 8.0

Education: President Clinton would create a national service program to allow students to pay off their loans through civil service. He would also spend more on worker training, Head Start educational programs for young children and other educational programs. Revenue in billions 1997: 15.7 1994-98: 37.8

Housing and community development: The Federal Government would provide more community development grants, give tax incentives for businesses to move into needy areas and would extend the low-income housing tax credit. Revenue in billions 1997: 3.1 1994-98: 9.6.

Technology: Led by the Commerce Department, the Federal Government would partly or entirely pay for the development of a national, high-speed computer data network and of commercial applications for inventions developed in Federal laboratories. Revenue in billions 1997: 6.1 1994-98: 17.0

Transportation: The Federal Government would spend more money on mass transit and high-speed rail systems, airport improvements and highways. Revenue in billions 1997: 3.0 1994-98: $8.4

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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:20 PM
Response to Reply #55
67. I don't think "reaganomics" means what you think it means.
Edited on Fri Jul-23-10 12:24 PM by liberation
Or at the very least the definition some of you are using of "reversing" is rather flawed.

In fact, Clinton got away with stuff that neither Bush the first nor Raygun could have gotten away with: NAFTA, welfare reform, the repeal of Glass-Steagal, etc, etc, etc, etc.

The economy flourished, no question about that, but so did the social and economic disparities among the class strata in this country.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:25 PM
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73. Reaganomics = trickle down
...= supply side = tax cuts for the rich = massive government military spending
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:34 PM
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77. "Equal" and the proposition "and" are different things.
Edited on Fri Jul-23-10 12:48 PM by liberation
Please let me know how exactly did Clinton policies reverse supply side economics, which were the defining approach of Reaganomics. My lying eyes must have been playing tricks on my during that decade.


He was not as virulently reactionary as Raygun, no question about that. But it is a bit dishonest to pretend that Clinton somehow "reversed" the trend started by Raygun, when te majority of the political platform exercised by the two Clinton administrations were to the right of Nixon's.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 02:15 PM
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94. They reversed Reaganomics by undoing his tax policy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Budget_Reconciliation_Act_of_1993">It isnt rocket science.

Had Bush not re-implemented supply side tax cuts for the rich, we would have been in surpluses at least until 2007. Had Gore won, the national debt would have been paid down by the time left office.

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 01:52 PM
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90. Did I claim that he didn't raise taxes? Is that all you believe Raygunomics is?
The money literally gushed from the tech boom, and the Clinton administration directed every penny it could upward and he turned his back on the people. He accelerated the income gap and kept pumping steroids into job-destroying mergers while refusing to enforce the Sherman Act in any meaningful way.

Was he worse than Republiks? No. Did he work for the "little people"? No.

Working with Republiks, he moved the anti-worker agenda further than 41 could have ever hoped to.

Look at the list you posted, who paid those taxes?


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Gaedel Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 08:22 AM
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46. Clinton only reversed .....
The tax cuts by a minor increase in the top rate to 39.6% (a truly artificial number). Since the Reagan tax cuts were being phased in, the economy hardly noticed the difference.

The Clinton boom was first a tech boom then a dot-bomb bubble. It could not be sustained. The Bush boom was a housing bubble.

Now we are post-boom-boom.

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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #46
70. that's the RW spin
and it's bullshit
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:28 PM
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75. Reactionary spin on moderate conservative policies...
... is supposed to make any difference to an actual liberal now?


As a fan of Italian food, the bickering among Northern vs. Southern French cuisine factions makes little difference because I ordered pizza not coq au vin.

.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 05:30 PM
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102. that's wonderful for you
as an actual liberal!

moderate conservative policies or not

my life was a fuck of a lot better under Clinton
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #19
66. Ah, the old "good cop/bad cop" routine
it works every time.
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #19
83. That would be the DLC who is the gang that continues to beat us up. Fuck them and the
corporate money they rode in on.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 02:10 PM
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5. Mission Accomplished
Edited on Thu Jul-22-10 02:11 PM by no_hypocrisy
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 02:11 PM
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6. Spitting on the sidewalk gets you tazed.
?
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 02:12 PM
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7. Unforgivable.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 02:24 PM
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9. Woodchuckalicious
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #9
11. I think you crack me up more than any other DU regular.
Certainly the best with the one liners.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 02:36 PM
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18. Thnx.
Im humbled. :)
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 07:55 PM
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34. Lohan will do more time than torturers and other assorted violators of the constitution.
Free Lohan!!
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 07:57 PM
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35. this administration makes me want to up (wood) chuck my dinner n/t
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 10:44 AM
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50. Please be sensible about this. nt
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 02:27 PM
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10. Spineless hacks.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 08:06 PM
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37. It's incredibly frustrating, isn't it?
:argh:
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 02:30 PM
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13. Off to the Greatest. This President is quickly losing my vote. n/t
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 04:56 PM
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26. Same here
and not for any of the crazy reasons republicans talk about - it's because he has let US down - the people who voted for him - and on occasion after occasion whether it was his support for escalating the war in Afghanistan, or not even considering a single payer solution to healthcare, he has not just let us down, but done the WRONG THING. you can not play nice with these corrupt republican assholes! we need a fighter, someone to fight for the american people, and everyone needs to face the facts that Obama is just not that guy.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 05:17 PM
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27. I put my heart and soul into and withstood a lot of grief in supporting him. I even went to
his inauguration (first time I've ever done that, and it didn't go without causing personal sacrifice).

If he loses my vote, it will be his own fault and not because of anyone elses actions or words. I'm quite serious about that.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 07:48 PM
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30. +
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 02:32 PM
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15. Blah blah blah pony blah blah

We'll meet again,
Don't know where,don't know when.
But I know we'll meet again, some sunny day.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:27 PM
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74. bloviate bloviate bloviate overused meme bloviate bloviate
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 01:13 PM
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82. Care to elaborate?
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 02:33 PM
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16. Don't look back for political and war criminals is total
crap and makes one complicit.

Placed in context to the fact that we imprison more per capita than any other nation is total bullshit.

The civil penalities paid by industry are a cost of doing business to them measured against profits and an insufficient enforcement system.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 02:35 PM
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17. That's quite special. What can we tell our children about crimes in high places?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 02:38 PM
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20. Maybe we can coax Glenn Beck into covering the DOJ firings...
A little online gold perhaps? :shrug:
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 02:40 PM
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21. Of course if (when) the vultures get control, they'll try to take down Obama any way they can.
You're damned if you do and damned if you don't at this point.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 03:04 PM
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24. "You're damned if you do and damned if you don't at this point"
In fairness, we don't know that.

"We" -- that is to say our party -- have promised not to do anything about this.

How can we possibly know that we're damned if we do, when we refuse to do?
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 06:08 PM
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29. Think about this for a second:
The Fux Noise machine was created in 1997 to ensure that a conservative victory would be able to take down Clinton. They did, I'm not gonna say successfully because it made both them and us look like a joke to the rest of the world. So who's to say it's not gonna happen again? If we don't learn from history we're doomed to repeat it.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 03:05 PM
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25. Quick! Post a picture of Obama in a swimsuit!
Must change the subject!
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 11:57 AM
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60. Engage Operation Dreamy President.
The ODP effectively cancels 74% of brain cells. Add the family and you can up that number.
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 05:29 PM
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28. Yesterday, on the Ed Schultze show, the question to the
listeners was if the White House was afraid of Fox News. At the end of the
hour, 76% of those who called in said "Yes." 24% said "No." There you
have it, 3 out of 4 Democrats believe the White House is afradi of Fox News.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 07:50 PM
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31. As if it were planned.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 08:00 AM
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45. Perception is crucial.
Just part of the deal to appear to release power in a "representative" democracy.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 07:51 PM
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32. K&R
:puke:
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 07:52 PM
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33. K&R. So sad...
PB
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 08:03 PM
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36. This is outrageous.
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 10:13 PM
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38. It's not a surprise as so few care about this.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 10:15 PM
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39. Well, I for one am shocked. SHOCKED.













not


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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 10:19 PM
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40. Yea, USA USA USA!
We stand so proud as we honor the law, we are a beacon of light to the entire world too!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 10:26 PM
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41. On this, I am profoundly not happy.
I think it's a huge mistake. I have no doubt unless these usurpers of the Constitution and violators of International Law are prosecuted, it will set a precedent and almost certainly the crimes will be repeated the next time the GOP is in power.

:cry:

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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 10:28 PM
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42. "Clinton “didn’t feel that it was a good idea to pursue these investigations ...
because he was going to have to work with these people,” Sender told me in an interview. “He was going to try to work with these guys, compromise, build working relationships.”

Clinton’s relatively low regard for the value of truth and accountability is relevant again today because other centrist Democrats are urging their party to give George W. Bush’s administration a similar pass if the Democrats win one or both houses of Congress.

....Not only did Clinton inadvertently clear the way for the Bush restoration, but the Right’s political ascendancy wiped away much of the Clinton legacy, including a balanced federal budget and progress on income inequality. A poorly informed American public also was easily misled on what to do about U.S. relations with Iraq and Iran.

In retrospect, Clinton’s tolerance of Reagan-Bush cover-ups was a lose-lose-lose – the public was denied information it needed to understand dangerous complexities in the Middle East, George W. Bush built his presidential ambitions on the nation’s fuzzy memories of his dad, and Republicans got to enact a conservative agenda..."


Hey, Democrats, the Truth Matters!
By Robert Parry
May 11, 2006

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/051006.html


Disgusting :(

knr






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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 03:53 AM
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44. +1
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 10:43 AM
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49. In view of this lesson, it leaves very limited options in estimating the current administration's
true agenda, doesn't it?

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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 11:54 AM
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59. Clinton screwed up. Obama won't learn.
Clinton tried the nicey-nice, bipartisan stuff. Stupid idea, but I guess he thought it would work. The republicans ate him alive.

Obama and his advisors, for some unfathomable reason, seem totally ignorant of the 90's.

So Clinton tried a dumb idea. But for Obama to try it again and again after it didn't work for Clinton and hasn't worked for him makes him seem a little simple-minded.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:29 PM
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76. Bottom line...
DL enables neocons. Hell will freeze over before a DLC administration will even consider prosecuting a neocon.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:43 PM
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79. It goes further back than that: remember Nixon?
Yeah, this country was told to "look forward" then too, so that papa Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney and friends who got their start in that administration had a nice down time to get back in full force a decade later. And then they took another "break" (plundering and pillaging must be rather tiring activities) during the 90s so they were refreshed and ready for this decade we just went through.

And since we're still "looking forward" I can't wait to see the wonderful surprises this gang has in store for us for the 2020s. Given they seem to act in a decade on/decade off pattern.

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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 01:25 PM
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84. They never learn
or don't want to.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 02:30 AM
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43. k&r n/t
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 10:42 AM
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48. We are a country of
unequal justice...which means we have NO Justice.

But Rangel is in trouble.

I give up.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 10:57 AM
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51. Still looks that way.
Has for years. Never showed any sign of changing.
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 11:22 AM
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52. It also does suggest that the Dems. are afraid of the Neocons.
The Neocons must be overjoyed. That's exactly what they want.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 11:37 AM
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53. .
K&R

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MadrasT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 11:39 AM
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54. I'm shocked
Shocked, I tell you.

:sarcasm:
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Altoid_Cyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 11:46 AM
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56. It's already been used, but I think that the DLC should use this as their slogan:
Edited on Fri Jul-23-10 11:48 AM by Altoid_Cyclist
It would be very appropriate as a campaign video. It sybolizes what some of our (D) leaders have become. (Hint, Kevin Bacon)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdFLPn30dvQ
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 11:49 AM
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57. 1.) Bush just worked for The Enterprise. 2.) So do Obama and AG Holder, it seems!
How do you spell "backroom deal"?
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 11:52 AM
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58. K & R They call 'em enablers !
Edited on Fri Jul-23-10 11:53 AM by SlingBlade
More typical news from the steaming pile formally known as the Democratic Party.

By the way, Where's Conyers been since the party of "Bla" took control of the Congress and the White House ?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ZyxxHe6Zx4A/SBIkmzRT_SI/AAAAAAAAAIM/W-ZLxNuSzCw/S1600-R/Steaming+Pile+Poo.png
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 11:59 AM
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61. Obama officially condones their actions
and then some Democrats are surprised when the public starts thinking things were okay under bush.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:02 PM
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62. I wonder what will happen if the rethugs regain control of congress
Will Obama regret his stance when *he* becomes the target of nonstop impeachment hearings and trials? Because doubtless if they regain control, that is what we will see...
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:09 PM
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63. Sure he will. Just like Clinton did
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:14 PM
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65. I seriously doubt they'll "look forward" ....
They'll be issuing subpoenas starting day one.
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:14 PM
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64. And the picture becomes Crystal clear
Edited on Fri Jul-23-10 12:19 PM by SlingBlade
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:21 PM
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68. There's a surprise.
:eyes:
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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:22 PM
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69. I REALLY have a problem with this. I don't know why I live my life
following LAWS created and supported by those who are not subject to them.

What. The. Fuck.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:23 PM
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71. I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you! nt
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:23 PM
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72. This was a given all along.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:44 PM
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80. Well, the die is cast. We shall see this sort of behavior again and again
until someone has the guts to say stop. It's just not Obama.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 01:12 PM
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81. Now it's standard procedure to either pardon or condone illegal activities of past administrations..
Look at some of Bush's inner circle. Many were pardoned for Watergate and/or IranContra and other illegal acts yet were still in the highest echelon of the federal government. Ollie North was caught redhanded LYING TO CONGRESS and is a regular on all the RW propaganda shows.

A self-recurring pattern. The lesson is that you'll never get punished for outing a CIA agent, starting a war for oil, torture or anything else. No worries you'll never get prosecuted or you'll get pardoned if you do.

All the while we peons must obey ALL laws. Clearly a double standard.

The Government Golden Rule. He who has the gold makes all the rules.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 01:30 PM
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85. Indefensible and unforgivable
Appalling lack of ethical leadership.

:puke: indeed
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 01:31 PM
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86. isn't it the duty of prosecutors to prosecute violations of law?
how silly of me.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 01:31 PM
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87. Did anybody really think that anything would happen to anybody?
The outgoing administration is never prosecuted. That is part of the American system.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 01:45 PM
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89. Just because it's so doesn't mean it's right..
I hear what you're saying though and no I had very little hope they'd be brought to justice. Not after it was announced that impeachment was off the table before the '08 election.

I did have Hope for a while but it's dwindling fast.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 01:53 PM
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91. Not getting why anyone thought that they would be.
The powerful (and much of the wealthy) have a different set of rules than the rest of us do.

If that isn't painfully, PAINFULLY evident by now . . . then I don't know what to tell people.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 02:03 PM
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92. I can't see how anyone would've thought Bush and cohorts would be prosecuted
Some animals, after all, are more equal than others.

:evilfrown:
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 02:03 PM
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93. It's not that we as a country couldn't deal with it...
it's that neither political party would survive if the truth came out.

"Oh why bother bringing up the past, it's such a downer!" says implicated member of one party or another.

We are a charade.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 02:29 PM
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97. "neither political party would survive if the truth came out"
Good.

We need new ones.

Better ones.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 04:43 PM
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100. LOL No doubt!
Of course our current system of governing is "too big to fail". Politicianspeak for "we've got to protect our phony-baloney jobs here gentlemen!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm1Jyusyoqk&feature=related

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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 05:28 PM
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101. "pass these out to the boys in lieu of pay"
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 06:49 PM
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104. Harumph!
:)
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 02:16 PM
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95. President Obama approves of their actions obviously. Disgustingly sad.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 02:24 PM
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96. while obama looks forward we will end up paying the price
for his turned cheek and blind eye.
and that really sucks.
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 02:34 PM
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98. Better?
Better get a bucket :puke:
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 04:32 PM
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99. Nobody prosecuted any of the team members for....
LBJ/McNamara for the lies that got us into Vietnam.

Nixon

Ford

Carter

Reagan

Bush

Clinton (Somalia disaster. The invasion of Haiti was illegal.)

Bush

Sorry but each and every one of them had illegal foreign military involvements that got some of our guys needlessly killed. Nothing happened. Why would anybody believe that anything would happen now?
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