Oh, the administration is very upset at the leaks and the danger to national security?

[librechik]

WHY AREN'T THEY UPSET ABOUT THE CLEAR INDICATION OF WAR CRIMES???

WHY AREN'T THEY UPSET AT BUSH AND THE REPUBLICANS WHO GINNED UP A WAR TO WIN THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS????

WHY AREN'T THEY UPSET ABOUT INNOCENT FAMILIES SUFFERING AND DYING???

WHY AREN'T THEY UPSET ABOUT THE LOSS OF GOOD WILL AND RESPECT TOWARD THE US??

WHY DON'T THEY PROVIDE LEADERSHIP INSTEAD OF GROVELING?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. Good questions, all of them...

Why aren't they, indeed?

[EFerrari]

2. Because their default position is to beat up on whistle blowers. n/t

[JDPriestly]

57. It's their job to beat up on whistleblowers whether they want to or not.

[snot]

73. It's their job to prosecute the criminals who lied us into Iraq, authorized torture, etc. etc.

[madokie]

93. In todays political climate here in the good ol usa

I believe it be better for the world court to bring the perpetrators of these many war crimes to trial. Can you imagine the circus it would cause if Obama and company was to have this bushco criminal crew arrested today or yesterday or the day before. I personally think the international court is set up so as to take care of this in a timely fashion. Look at 'Duch' being sentienced to 19 years just recently for confirmation to what I'm saying.

The Hague is the proper venue for these kinds of crimes

[Bluebear]

74. It's their job to prosecute torturers too. nt

[Capitalocracy]

80. Whether they want to or not, may I add. nt

[JDPriestly]

122. Absolutely!

[emilyg]

3. K/R - I see the

unrec. bees are busy.

[pleah]

4. K&R

[Karmadillo]

5. Because, because, because they secretly want us to make them get upset about

those things because, uh, if they were to get upset about those things on their own and actually do something about them, the, uh, secret plan or something would get messed up. So the fact they're not upset and not providing leadership is, like, our fault. Damn us.

[immoderate]

40. You may have something there.

Let's say exposing those documents will hasten our withdrawal from Afghanistan. But they don't want to look like they want to hasten our withdrawal from Afghanistan 'cause politics.

You see. It's perfect!:bounce:

[KansDem]

106. So, it's kind of like a "Double-Secret Upsettiness?"

...or something like that?

[MissDeeds]

110. Good one

:toast:

[Oregone]

6. Oh, please be sensible about this

Adjust your chess viewing mindset to 3 full dimensions

[liberation]

111. It's 4D chess, thank you very much!

Remember it also involves time, not just space ;-)

As in not enough time to cast a negative judgement on polices, but enough time to have outdone FDR's 3 terms... or something like that.

[inna]

7. What's going on? Did something happen over the weekend?

[librechik]

16. yes--link below

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4478588&mesg_id=4478588

[wroberts189]

86. It is truly amazing how you can check the news and not even keep up anymore. me 2 n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

8. Not to worry. They'll go after the "leakers"....and demand more funding for the "necessary" war.

And, congress will launch an investigation into the "leaks" but not the war crimes and criminals.

[gratuitous]

9. You are just soooo unsensible

Please report to Re-Education Camp No. 48 immediately. Your first mandatory class will be Hippie Punching 101.

[AnotherDreamWeaver]

42. back in the day, CALPOLY San Luis Obispo

The Aggies fought the Hippies. Some crew who had enrolled in above class stopped for two hitch hikers, after the first had gotten into the back of their pickup and as the second was about to step over the tailgate, the driver stepped on the gas and let up the clutch resulting in the man falling to the pavement and cracking his skull. They drove their captive to the country and beat him severely. The 'Flower Children' took to walking town in groups so as not to be harassed. Looks like there are some who would like to bring those times back.

[paparush]

91. Ok, I LOL'd. I failed HP 101. I'm auditing the course this time.

[Autumn]

10. It isn't their children, their Mothers or

Fathers or Brothers or Sisters dying. And they get the benefit of "looking" tough on terrorism. Lot of money involved too.

[NJmaverick]

11. Why aren't you upset about the possibility that this leak could kill NATO and Afghan troops?

[librechik]

14. look, those troops would never have been in danger in the first place except for Bush's lies

Wikileaks is a hero. Period. And of course I'm upset--but these leaks aren't going to increase the danger of the deadly position they're already in.

[NJmaverick]

19. Anyone responsible for the deaths of NATO and Afghan troops is most definitely not a hero in my book

clearly we have differing views on the value of human life as well as what constitutes a hero.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

22. The value of human life, huh?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8817755

[librechik]

27. Clearly! And get back to me when you have evidence of those deaths directly linked to the leaks.

I'll be waiting--but not holding my breath. If it ever happens, I'll still know they died because of Bush, not inconvenient truths revealed in an unorthodox manner.

[TheMadMonk]

66. Yes you are making if rather clear that you put American lives well...

...ahead of the millions of deaths that America is responsible for. And for what? More, smaller and flashier electronic gimcrackery? To be able to throw away close to half the food you buy and still be able to take pride in the fact that the standard coffin in some towns of Amurkia is now the size of a double bed?

Millions of dead bodies; entire landscapes raped bare; communities poisoned;...

Yeah, the list of things that makes America exceptional is a long, impressive one. However, it is not one that makes them any more deserving of protection than the thousands they indiscriminately kill. Don't the families of the people killed so indiscriminately deserve to have the truth publically known?

Would you like to know the standard American practice for dealing with teen(child) prostitutes that are found to have been trafficked into the country for sex slavery? Charge them as prostitutes and deport them. That's right, toss a 13-14 year old kid who has just been put through nine kinds of living hell on a plane and make them somebody else's problem AND make it almost certain that no winnable case can be made against any of those responsible for their plight.

If that's the America being "defended", and truly it is, then those defending it, should bloody well be put in harms way. Perhaps if enough sons and daughters die, then maybe, just maybe, enough American citizens might wake up to what is beeing done in their alegedly good name to fucking do something about it.

[Chisox08]

68. You talk about the value of human life

Yet you are defending an pointless war!? Just because Obama is in charge doesn't make it right.

[SammyWinstonJack]

102. Just because Obama is in charge, doesn't make it right, Indeed!

:thumbsup: Never ceases to amaze the lengths someone will go to in order to defend this President, such as in this case. :shrug:

[eridani]

81. The people who started the war are responsible for those deaths n/t

[arikara]

119. Are Americans then

the only human beings? Those pointless wars have killed and brutalized millions.

[Stinky The Clown]

17. Did it ever occur to you . . . . . .

. . . . that "caring about the troops" might best be embodied in the sentiment "Out Now"?

Did it ever occur to you that the US caused this and all troop danger will end when we just leave?

Did it ever occur to you that your sig line picture is silly and incredibly juvenile?

[NJmaverick]

20. Did it ever occur to you the alternative you suggest will result in the deaths

of millions of innocents (at the hands of the Taliban)?

[Stinky The Clown]

25. There's a name for that: "APR"

"All Purpose Reason"

It has been the jingoistic justification for war for a very long time.

Have fun with it.

Buh bye.

[NJmaverick]

29. The proper name for it is reality

it may not always be what we want, but we need to face it.

[howmad1]

48. Are you in any way connected to the Military Industrial Complex?

War is good, and very profitable.

[ChiciB1]

50. I Don't Post As I Once Did, But I Must Say I'm Astonished That YOU Are

STILL beating the same old drum NJ!! WAR IS HELL, and what we are doing in the NAME of Democracy is beyond my comprehension.

I heard a comment recently that went like this... WITHOUT VILLIANS, THERE WILL BE NO HEROES! Guess that's the brass ring some want to grasp! We spend BILLIONS over there and yet a PITTANCE here for those here in our very own country who want a job just to put food on a table!

BILLIONS & BILLIONS! BTW, the comment came from the movie... The Way Of War!!

[YOY]

116. You sure do got a good grip on reality Mav! Much better than the rest of us! REALLY!

You're the BEST!!!

[AtheistCrusader]

55. Two words: Boat people.

Of course, we'll coin a different name for the refugees from this war, due to the lack of hydrologic conveyance.


Still, this war could have been conducted a hell of a lot better. Step one, stop shooting civilians. Step two, deal with Pakistan.
If you can't do either of those, might as well pack it in folks. (And so far, that's the strongest justification for declaring victory and going home)

[JDPriestly]

61. Pakistan and Iran.

In my opinion, we are in Afghanistan not because we are so concerned about Afghanistan but because of Afghanistan's geographical location and strategic importance.

The area is a powderkeg -- a nuclear powderkeg. And horrible as it is, Afghanistan about the only place in the area where we can have meaningful military installations in case the powderkeg blows up.

[JDPriestly]

60. One of the things that the report supposedly makes pretty clear

is the fact that the Afghan, non-Taliban troops are very weak fighters. I don't know if that is true, but the Wikileaks report is not the only evidence for that. Assuming that to be true, and assuming the Taliban forces to be so cruel, why do you think the Afghani forces don't fight harder? I'm seriously asking.

Why are Afghani troops fighting with our soldiers so unsuccessful? Do they lack enthusiasm? What do you think is the problem? Have you read anything about why they are so lacking in motivation and courage?

[G_j]

64. I think it's brilliant that we arming even more people as a means to stabalize the country

:think:

[JDPriestly]

75. Do you really think it is about stabilizing Afghanistan?

What if the real point is to have an excuse to stay there a very, very long time so that we have a presence in the area? It's just a thought, but if you've ever played chess, it would be a possible move. I don't know, but remember Afghanistan is very strategically placed. And tough as it is for the military to get and keep even a little bit of a foothold that it can keep, it is probably easier to establish a presence in Afghanistan than in Iran or Pakistan or any of the other countries in that area.

I'm not looking at this from a moral point of view but trying to understand how the kind of cynical military strategists, foreign policy strategists who run our country might see it.

[TheMadMonk]

70. Ah the last 50 years it is all so clear now. Amurika HAD to kill all those...

...million of South East Asians, South and Central Americans and Middle Easterners to prevent the bad guys from killing them anyways.

Just how many tens of millions have died for the same "enlightened" reason over the centuries? "If we don't destroy and exploit those people, then the dirty French will anyway."

And just me let you in on a little secret. It is virtually impossible to impose cultural change from the outside. Destroy it yes, but change it according to some humanitarian master plan, not a chance. So unless you are in fact advocating genocide, the Taliban and other Afghans will eventually have to be left to reach an accomodation, regardless of American involvement in the region.

Oh and another little secret. America is not there to protect the Afghani people from the Taliban. America is there to make money for someone(s) and those people don't give a flying fuck for who dies to secure their profit, American, Taliban or Afghani.

[KoKo]

105. Well Said...Mad Monk! n/t

[JonLP24]

18. I'm upset at the misconduct exposed

by the leak. I also haven't seen credible evidence that it would and it is stuff that has already happened from 04 to Dec 09. Nothing like troop movements or any of that. Just stuff on the ISI, botched raid, etc. Plus it was on a relatively low level of classification.

Anyways I mostly responded to tell you to get to the Sports forum. Mitch was asking you what team you were and I answered for you 'DU Giants' and I guess he misunderstood because he sent me your e-mail address to me asking me I was still using that address but I replied and said I meant to say DU Giants was you and not me.

[NJmaverick]

21. I don't share your caviler attitude toward NATO's and Afghan's troop's safety

[JonLP24]

28. Like I said

I haven't seen anything credible that would jeopardize safety. I likely have many people that I knew while I was in over there right now. I actually only have kept up contact with 3 people since I've been out. 2 are out of the service and one returned from Iraq not to long ago and he is still in. I'm also concerned about TCNs safety as when I was last in they were driving trucks without armor and no body armor for shit pay and are often mistreated workers. No one that hasn't deployed seems to even know who they are and they massive contribution they have made.

I got off topic. What was I was saying is I haven't seen anything substantial that would lead to information on where and how to attack. The details of the abuse might make them angry but you avoid that by not committing abuses.

[immune]

31. Who speaks for the guys who see suicide as the only way out

of these immoral, illegal wars?

Shocking new figures show the number of soldiers who committed suicide in January could top the number of soldiers killed in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan last month.
www.nydailynews.com/ news/ us_world/ 2009/ 02/ 05/ 2009-02-

I doubt if wikileaks had anything to do with their deaths. And I doubt if the cheerleaders gave a shit about their "safety".

Hypocrites all.

[sabrina 1]

83. Then you must be in favor of ending this war and getting them

out of harm's way. It's too late for over 6,000 of our own troops, not to mention those from our allies. But it's not too late for those who are still there.

The people responsible for the danger they are in are those who started and continue these wars. No one else.

[Forkboy]

96. LOL....love the framing.

Maybe some rubes actually fall for it. :rofl:

[LaurenG]

104. Maverick, just listen for a second

If you just let your opinion go for a minute you can focus on what the others here are trying to say.

I don't think the administration can say anything other than what they're saying, no matter what they really think. I like Obama but I am also really glad that the truth of what is going on is coming out now rather than 50 years from now, which is how information like this normally comes out.

Information is good, even when it seems to be hurtful. The truth is very important and we can't value Nato troops lives more than the civilians if we are going to do the right thing.

[flyarm]

107. Did you worry about NATO and Our Troops safety before or after theTaliban cashed their US Gov Checks

really..have you been worried about the safety of US Troops and NATO before or after the Taliban cashed US GOVERNMENT ISSUED CHECKS????????????

Or are they the ones responsibile for Billions of missing money through the pentagon?

I do remember in May on Tampa News they did a show showing US Military standing guard over a Poppy Field..Remember Tampa is the HQTRS of Centcom..AND the story was on our local news.

[YOY]

114. Those "caviler" attitudes will lead to woodchuck posting!

We must kill all attempts to do that!

KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!

[Forkboy]

26. Before my eyes even scanned to the right side of my screen I knew this post was you.

[flyarm]

35. Quite predictable , and they hide behind the National Security Meme..

but never accept responsibility for complicity of war crimes committed in all of our names.

This is questioning all of our patriotism..as was done under the former administration!

What is predictable is their questioning others patriotism when others dare to ask and demand the answers and truth.

Those asking the questions and demanding answers are following the Constitution of this nation! There is no more patriotism than that!

[frylock]

38. i have that poster on ignore but can guess who it is..

[librechik]

39. haha--nice color, but it just exploded my thread into flame

:shrug: (and you are right)

[RetroLounge]

44. God, Mavericks suck.

Hated those cars.

:hi:

RL

[jgraz]

65. The cars are crap, too.

[Forkboy]

97. Anything called a Maverick never is.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

63. Where is that fine automobile parked? Hoboken? Newark? Atlantic City?

[Jim Sagle]

94. This car ain't nuthin' but shit.

;)

[YOY]

115. Why ignore him? He's the best!

n/t

[flyarm]

33. posted to wrong place self delete.

[flyarm]

36. I am more upset that any democrat would support sending our soldiers into a war of lies and

accelerating a war of fucking blatant lies!

Why aren't you more upset that our government is funding the Taliban and has been from day one ..the supposed enemy..with my tax dollars that is proven they will kill our soldiers and Nato Troops?

I'll get upset with the Wikileaks ..when you get upset with this administration and the former administration that sent our soldiers to a war of fucking lies!

I'll get upset with Wikileaks, when democrats in congress release the fucking truth of the war crimes that have been committed in my name...and YOUR NAME!! Yes the war crimes that have been hidden away? and or destroyed in the form of tapes , video's and Pictures of our government committing sexual crimes against children in front of their mothers in our hidden prisons..so if this sheds a little light on the war crimes that have been committed by the fuckers who have the power in our nation and the corporate war whores..so be it!

If you are comfortable with the National Security meme that hides criminal acts and war crimes so be it..I am not..and never will be!

If you can prove that we are today any more safe or secure as a nation after all the war crimes that have been committed in our name under the false guise of National Security..then have at it..but you are only fooling yourself!

The world is not fooled..nor are many Americans.

Good luck explaining why the US Government is actively funding the enemy ( and has been from day one) that Has directly resulted in the deaths of our soldiers and NATO troops! And innocent civilians.

That is called fucking treason!

And every treasonous sob in our government should and must be exposed for the criminals they are...if they are.

Projecting unlimited possibilities does not erase factual evidence of proven treason, and or war crimes.

[truth2power]

37. A-Effing-Men, flyarm!! n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

103. +1000

:applause:

[MissDeeds]

117. Could not agree more

Interesting the WH is trying to deflect attention away from the content of the leaked info by going after the leakers. Reminds me of the kind of tactics used before by a certain big headed fellow, but if I dare mention his name, this will get deleted.

[TBF]

43. Because we are not a party of war-mongers,

though some on DU seem to have forgotten that.

[Hissyspit]

51. Why aren't you upset about NATO and Afghan troops and Afghan civilians HAVE BEEN killed

because of constant lies for nine years.

Nine years of lies.

Review of WikiLeaks docs sees no smoking gun (No threat to troops)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4479907

[TheMadMonk]

58. Because if enough NATO troops die, perhaps enough NATO citizens...

...might fucking wake up and do something about putting an end to a few NATO leaders.

And that sir, would be the first time in the best part of a decade that a US soldier's life might be considered well spent.

[JDPriestly]

59. Actually, the leaks will not cause more deaths in Afghanistan or Iraq

The people in the countries where the crimes revealed by Wikileaks are going on know what is happening. They don't need Wikileaks to tell them.

The Wikileaks information will affect events here, in Europe and elsewhere.

I wonder if Sweden will reclaim the Nobel Peace Prize it gave Obama.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

62. Still ignoring THIS?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38417666/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia

Review of WikiLeaks docs sees no smoking gun
Pentagon still reviewing records, but so far finds no threat to U.S. security

[Soylent Brice]

88. answer: yes. n/t

[Forkboy]

98. Yes, he is, and will continue to do so.

Bank on it.

[Chisox08]

67. Aren't you upset that this war happened in the first place?

I hope this leak makes getting the hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan quicker. We have wasted enough time, money and soldiers and innocent peoples lives already.

[Capitalocracy]

82. All information was reviewed to protect the troops.

The information is out of date and checked to make sure no troops' lives were put in danger. Therefore, we're dealing with a whistleblower, not a terrorist.

[Bluesbreaker]

84. The troops are at risk because of the military's conduct

When you read what the U.S. military has done to the civilians in Afghanistan, you can understand why the ranks of anti-U.S./NATO fighters continue to grow.

Truly evil acts have been perpetrated on the people of that country, in our name and with our money. Worse yet, the Obama administration doesn't want the American people to know what it is doing to civilians. If our tax dollars are supporting his war crimes and our country's reputation is being linked to them, that's okay with you?

[Vickers]

92. Bwahahahahahaha!!!!!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:






Oh...you were serious.

Sorry.

:blush:

[YOY]

113. Why don't you enlist? We need a patriot like you on the front lines Mav!!!

You could just stand there and wave the flag with Hulk Hogan's "I am a Real American" playing in the background!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGuhZvO1DKg

It sounds so awesome! So patriotic! SO VERY IMMERSED IN REALITY!

I really think you can do it! We all believe in you!!!

[Stinky The Clown]

12. There is really only one answer

And we all know it. We just don't say it.

[branders seine]

13. Are these rhetorical questions?

[librechik]

15. in the sense that they are unspoken questions that everyone has

yes

[Individualist]

23. What they're most upset about is transparency.

Can't have people learning facts, you know.

[Winterblues]

24. They say the Times asked them over a week ago if they could print the story.

The Administration said they had no problem at that time...Gibbs just said the Times did nothing wrong and in fact did everything exactly right concerning this story..

[blindpig]

30. Empire is bigger than any administration.

We should thank this administration for making that so abundantly clear.

There is little justice or redress to be had in a capitalist society, there are other priorities.

Maybe now that the 'Hope' thing is smashed into the dust we can see what our options are:

Socialism or Barbarism

Capitalism or Nature

There's ain't any two ways about it.

[indepat]

32. Why, I'll tell you why: 'cause those issues don't amount to a hill of beans in the big scheme of

things. :P

[earth mom]

34. The powers that be don't care because war works for them. War is good for corporate america.

Who gives a damn about people? People are disposable. :sarcasm:

:grr:

[slay]

41. Amen!

and i'm an atheist! :mad:

[amborin]

45. K&R

[HughMoran]

46. Would have been a good rant if they were actually upset

Oooops - bad assumption.

[librechik]

53. good point n/t

[femrap]

47. Can we stop wasting human

life now? We're out of Chinese money. Can we stop now? Please.

[Canuckistanian]

49. Not to mention Abu Ghraib, Fallujah, Bagram, illegal renditions and drone attacks

All of those served to endanger troops MUCH more than fucking piddly little leaks that the enemy already knows about.

Jesus, Obama & Co. Get a grip on REALITY.

[AtheistCrusader]

52. Pentagon doesn't think it's a big deal.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38417666/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia

[yurbud]

54. and they didn't seem too upset when Karl Rove outed Valerie Plame either

Let's see, leaks that hurt the oligarchy: bad.

Leaks that help the oligarchy: no big deal.

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. War Crimes? Turn this to Experts in the Laws of Land Warfare

and let the EXPERTS tell us if there are war crimes

I know this is not popular. But while I have no doubt we may find them, I want people who know how to look for them do such. You will not have me joining you in that claim... mostly I have worked in projects like that... and making the claim is far easier than proving it.

As to the rest... here is the story that a civilian is the most significant to me. And this is the one that might explode the policy.

Remember Tora Bora and Sly Hersh telling us the ISI pulled OBL from the field? Here is your confirmation people. So we have no friends in the region... and are just making things worst... to those of us paying attention this don't come as a surprise. But this is the POLICY LEVEL papers that should blow this open like a nice... pine apple grenade.

[flyarm]

78. Ah and don't forget our government pulled back the special Ops from going into Tora Bora..

perhaps to give time to the ISI to get Bin Laden out???????????????

[nadinbrzezinski]

120. The Order, according to Sly Hersh

came from SecDef level...

[flyarm]

121. Sy Hersh..and the order had to come from the top..not just Rummy..eom

[DeSwiss]

69. K&R

"Oh, the administration is very upset at the leaks and the danger to national security?"

And yet:

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs insisted Monday that the roughly 90,000 records published online by the whistle-blower WikiLeaks do not reveal any new information about the Afghanistan war effort. The documents give detailed accounts of incidents that have taken place over the last six years of the war, including unreported incidents of civilian killings and Pakistani officials working with the Taliban.

http://www.rollcall.com/issues/56_12/news/48694-1.html?type=aggregate_friendly

So how is it that one-side of the administration (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-fg-pakistan-papers-20100726,0,5560351.story">NSA Advisor James Jones) claims the disclosure is a threat to national security and may endanger the troops, while the other side of the administration (Gibbs above) says the disclosures don't reveal anything new?

- The only way I know how it can be possible, would be if one is talking out of both sides of one's mouth at the same time.....

[ZombieHorde]

71. "The first casualty when war comes is truth."--Hiram W Johnson

[Soylent Brice]

89. truer words have never been spoken. n/t

[lib2DaBone]

72. Why aren't the upset about the $7.5 Billion we are about to GIVE to Pakistan....?

Yet we have people in America going hungry and sleeping in tents...

Q: How can you tell when a politician is lying?

A: Their mouth is moving.

[defendandprotect]

77. $7.5 BILLION for Pakistan . . . but we can't afford MEDICARE FOR ALL . . .!!

Truth is, the deals that have been made haven't been made to protect the public --

BRIBERY is the key to all of this --







:puke:

[defendandprotect]

76. I'm with you on all of those "WHY'S" . . . !!!! Well said -- keep sayin' it -- !!

We all need to keep saying it -- louder and louder!!!

:)

[killbotfactory]

79. Because they are the figurehead of a ruthless capitalist empire

whether any of us like it or not.

[democrank]

85. The real danger to national security

are our war crimes.

[wroberts189]

87. Good Op's like this is why I come to DU. knr nt

[deutsey]

90. Because they know from whose strings they dangle?

:evilfrown:

[Javaman]

95. um, how does that political mantra go?

(must say the following in a drone like voice)

"the country couldn't survive it, it's best to put the past behind us, why stir up the past when we want to move forward"

blah blah blah

We the people would do perfectly fine, they, the half-wit politicians, wouldn't survive a minute.

Their cover of "protecting the country" is nothing more than protecting their bullshit jobs.

The old canard of "for the good of the nation" is such a tired old expression that it has morphed into self parody.

Sickening, isn't it?

[upi402]

99. Thank you! You speak for me. +1,000

:kick:

[Moostache]

100. I guess only us "fucking retards" get upset about war crimes...

I am betting Rahm has had some choice words about this and the general reaction from people of conscience...

[L0oniX]

101. [phone]

[OwnedByFerrets]

108. Does the word "complicit" apply here?

[MissDeeds]

109. Excellent questions

And if there ever was a time for a post to be written in all caps, this is it.

K&R

:kick:

[go west young man]

112. I noticed that CNN ran with the headline about Pakistan support for the Taliban

with nary a mention of the war crimes and bombing coverups. It would seem that the MIC is trying to spin this disclosure into another conflict so they can make more money off of killing people. Yesterdays CNN headline is proof that CNN has long since been a propaganda arm of the Pentagon. Anything for more war.

[YOY]

118. Booyakasha!!!

n/t