*AHEM***COUGH*COUGH*!!! How many of these Military age young men are serving in Iraq??? THE ROMNEY

[in_cog_ni_to]

BOYS:




http://fivebrothers.mittromney.com/

[spanone]

1. Lemme guess.......NONE?

[Beaverhausen]

2. Did you hear their answers when asked about it?

one made some lame excuse about making "other" sacrifices.

what a bunch of pansy-assed wimps!

edit- this was last night on 60 Minutes

[BOSSHOG]

9. And one looked sadly into the camera

and said I hope to make a sacrifice like that someday. Candy ass young republican garbage. Just like rove's son, just like the cum stain on limbaugh's pillow.

[unpossibles]

3. they're all large guys, capable of defending lots of Freedom

:eyes:

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. Like father like son.

They all had other priorities.

[Sequoia]

5. By same mother or multiple wives?

[SharonRB]

18. Mitt has always been married to the same woman (and only one)

[Sequoia]

23. I'm sure. I just had to say that.

;)

[ATK]

6. Afghanistan is called the "good" war by many. are you going to apply

the same standard?
Military Service is a choice. Far fewer have chosen to serve than have chosen not to.

I'm sick and tired of people acting like the retarded republicans of the 90's when it came to Clinton's lack of service. And I'm REALLY sick of retards that believe children should serve because of the views of their parents.

be better than that. If you served, be proud, if you didn't then live with your choice....but, unless you served you really look dumb trying to denigrate someone else who didn't, based on a war you don't agree with. Sooner or later there might be one you DO agree with and how will you explain your support if you didn't serve.

PS. I don't mean YOU personally, since I know nothing about you.

[Cyrano]

10. Welcome to DU, ATK.

Postings such as these aren't actually about service. It's all about Republican hypocrisy.

[ATK]

12. Thank you. And I understand what its about, I just think its stupid

especially when there are people, on this board, talking about how we should send troops to Darfur. Are they enlisting if we do? How about their children?

I thought it was stupid when the freepers did it with clinton, and I think its even more stupid to act like freepers.

I served, it was my choice. I don't look down on friends who didn't, and I'd hope no one who was in combat would look down on me because I wasn't sent to Gulf War I.

Keep in mind, a minority has served in the military and its a smaller minority that served in combat. I wouldn't want the debate limited to just THOSE people and I don't think that was the idea when the country was born.

[troubleinwinter]

19. Complete bullshit. They share their father's beliefs, as evidenced by ALL of them

working on his camapign. That tells you what their personal opinions are about the war. But they have other priorities, ya know:

Josh: "I'm currently working as a real estate developer, but seem to be spending more and more of my time working on my dad's campaign, it's just too hard to stay away."

Ben: "Due to time constraints with medical school, my involvement with my dad's campaign is going to be somewhat limited compared to my brothers, but I do support my dad 100 percent and can’t wait to help where I can. I know my father as a man of integrity and sound judgment."

Craig: "I live in New York City with my son and wife where I work as a music producer at an ad agency. I'm planning on being very involved in the campaign. As of yet, I have been balancing work, the campaign, and family life.

Matt: "I work at a real estate company; we buy, sell, manage and develop commercial properties. ...Mitt Romney is the best person to bring change to Washington; he’s bright, capable, honest, articulate and an unparalleled problem-solver.

Tagg: Interests- Spending time with my wife and kids, baseball (go Sox), basketball (go Celtics), waterskiing, horses, travel, snow skiing, movies. Favorite movies- Band of Brothers, Saving Private Ryan. Favorite Books- For Whom The Bell Tolls...

Companies-

Romney for President
Boston, Massachusetts US
Senior Advisor and Surrogate 2007

Los Angeles Dodgers
Los Angeles, California US
Chief Marketing Officer 2006

Reebok International
Canton, MA US
Vice President of Marketing Onfield 2003-2005

Romney for Governor
Cambridge, Massachusetts US
Deputy Campaign Manager 2001-2002

Season Ticket Solutions
Boston, Massachusetts US
Owner

As for Mitt, he clearly hasn't even DISCUSSED enlistment with any of them:

"No, I have not urged my own children to enlist.I don't know the status of my childrens' potentially enlisting in the Guard and Reserve" Romney said, his voice tinged with anger.

Massachusetts residents can enlist in the National Guard up to age 39. Romney's five sons range in age from 24 to 35. Neither the Romney children nor the governor have served in the military.http://www.mfso.org/article.php?id=344

"I'm REALLY sick of retards that believe children should serve because of the views of their parents." Nice of you to try to suggest that fellow DUers are "retards", but these are clearly NOT just the views of these five young mens' "parents", but the views of a candidate's campaign they ALL support and work for.

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[troubleinwinter]

27. ALL five sons work for and support Romney' campaign.

Romney is an adamant supporter of Bush and the troop buildup in Iraq.

I don't care if these campaign supporters are his sons or not. They are vehement supporters of Romney's positions.

They are chicken-hawks with "other priorities" than putting their boots where their mouths are (aside from daddy claiming there are no spots in the military for them, because "too many poor applicants filling up the spots in the military for them to join, anyway.")

[ATK]

29. what's your position on afghanistan? did you enlist following 9/11

did you force your children or grandchildren to enlist (if you think that's the right war...like most people believe)

if you're going to set a standard, it should be one you can live with.

just think about it, do you really want the debate limited to only those who've served in combat when the next war comes along? afterall, only soldiers know WAR AND PEACE so only THEY would be qualified on the topic, which would effectively remove your voice from the debate.

Freepers said things like what you're saying......why repeat their obvious stupidity

[troubleinwinter]

35. a standard I can live with

These men still believe this war of aggression and occupation is right. They believe a war based on lies is a noble cause.

While I never said that Mitt should "force" his sons (who are being "groomed for leadership and control" and have other priorities such as producing music for an ad agency and making sales for the LA Dodgers) who support this illegal occupation to serve, I would have at least expected that he might have had a FUCKING CONVERSATION with any one of them about it. But apparently he has not.

It would have been a waste of time, because there are "too many poor applicants filling up the spots in the military for them to join, anyway." (no room at the inn for these men, with all the po' folks taking up all the space). Wouldn't want those young men to actually think about or weigh right and wrong.

A standard I could live with? I would have had plenty of conversations with my child and expressed that signing up for an illegal war of aggression is wrong. Supporting an illegal war of aggression based on lies is wrong.

[fooj]

44. Perpetual war...

when the next war comes along?

MAYBE...just MAYBE if those who tote the "we are spreading freedom and democracy" bullshit lost a family member due to an illegal and immoral act of aggression and occupation the "next war" wouldn't be a "slam dunk"...

You don't have to be an active member of the military to have an opinion or to know the difference between RIGHT and WRONG.

It's been along time since the American soldier has known "peace". Thank the war criminals in OUR WHITE HOUSE for that.

MONEY TRUMPS PEACE. Remember?

[rasputin1952]

38. By looking at this statement...

"All I'm saying is, if you're going to set a standard it had better be one you can live by."

I can see a whole lot of people that have spoken in favor of the war, the vast majority of them are NOT prepared to make any sacrifice at all for the effort they expound as greatness personified.

Lincoln got some of the same treatment during the CW, his son Robert went in. TR's sons went in and one was killed as a pilot. TR's Grandson hit the beach at Normandy as a Brigadier General. Lyndon Johnson gave up a House seat for the duration of WWII, and went into the Navy. Jimmy Carter and RM Nixon followed suit.

My whole point being that there have been many people who have put their feet on the line when duty called, regardless of rank or privilege. Seems to me, the vast majority of Congressional members that have children, very few of them are in the Armed Forces, and of these, D's have more than R's.

I served, and I didn't want this cesspool of a war, I've seen what can happen to a human body when it comes under direct/indirect fire. If I had been in favor of this war, I would have urged my son to join, but I would leave the decision up to him. As I am opposed to this war, but listen to others tell me how "wonderful it is democracy is growing", or "we'd have to fight them over here", I have every right to ask them of their sacrifices during this engagement. If what they give me as an explanation I find absurd, I'll call them on it in a heartbeat...and to me, being in Real Estate, while others are dying for something Chickenhawks, support is absurd from my POV.

I hope his 2 "Real Estate Barons" have figured out that there is money to be made investing in cemeteries at this point...:(

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. Clinton's non-service was a non-issue...AFTER THE FACT. Iraq in HERE and NOW! The Chickenhawk Romney

Boys should be over there.

I'm always against WAR. I'm already AGAINST the next war. NO WAR! KNOW PEACE!

[SidDithers]

43. And some don't appreciate being called "retards"...nt

Sid

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. You are asking chicken hawsks to serve

shame on you!

:-)

[Monkeyman]

8. During Vietnam allot of their faith claimed CO

[troubleinwinter]

24. NONE of them claim C.O. They all work for Romney's campaign.

[OHdem10]

11. Do you really think it is wise to be attacking chilren

of Candidates.

Do you think Bill and Hillary should have Chelsea enlist??

Kids cannot help what their parents choose to do. I was just
as vehently opposed when people criticized Chelsea for
things over which she has no control.

Romney has enough for people to attack him--not the kids.

It makes us look desperate---We are saying Romney is such
a perfect candidate, the only thing we can attack is his kids.

[TwilightGardener]

13. Just funny that the party who "claims" the military's best interests and spends

a lot of effort and lip service on rah-rahing the war and the troops has candidates that tend to avoid service (and their FAMILIES avoid service--got better things to do)--at least as much or more than Democrats, who REALLY support the troops by not wanting to waste them in a pointless effort in Iraq. Just noting the irony. It's not that the Dems are more likely to serve, but they are not NEARLY the warmongers and war cheerleaders the 'Pubs are. It's a shame that military service is so rare among politicians and their families--what happened to nobless oblige?

[YOY]

14. If Bill and/or Hillary created a long-term war. YES

But they didn't and I cannot say for certain that Hillary won't (althought I doubt it would be a smart move on her part) if she magically takes power. She goes the populist way and war is not popular.

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. They are NOT children. They are young MEN..perfect military age!

And I might add....their father supports the war they haven't bothered to enlist to fight! 5 HEALTHY BOYS! NONE of them are in Iraq. I say they're all a bunch of freakin' hypocrites. They work on his campaign. They absolutely DO have control. IF they don't support his policies, why aren't they registered Dems?

I'd like to know why the media never bothers to mention his military aged sons? If he supports this G-d forsaken illegal invasion, why hasn't he insisted his sons enlist?

[fooj]

41. Kids? Maybe that's part of the problem.

Romney's five sons range in age from 24 to 35.

Last I checked, these young men are ADULTS with minds of their own. When their dad is out peddling an OCCUPATION that is illegal and immoral I would think that they would at the VERY LEAST have a point-of-view. Guess that's too much to ask, eh?

[bdamomma]

15. money talks as they say, upper crust people need to serve.

[OHdem10]

16. Both Parties support an all volunteer Military.

This takes the onus off the upper classes. Both parties
knew (when they passed an all volunteer military)---just
who would be volunteering.

There were a whole lot of influential people who were
upset with Vietnam and whose kids went to Vietnam.


Since we do not believe in the draft, then we cannot
throw stones.

[troubleinwinter]

22. All five sons are CHICKENHAWKS. They support and work for Romney's campaign.

But they have 'other priorities'.

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. EXACTLY! 6 Chickenhawks in ONE family!

Scumbags.

[SharonRB]

17. When I saw them on 60 Minutes last night,

I thought the same thing and yelled at the TV -- "How come not one of you is in Iraq?"

[in_cog_ni_to]

32. I am SO glad I missed that show! I never miss 60 Minutes, but I had to watch Amy Goodman, Greg

Palast and Joe Conason on C-SPAN and it was on the same time 60 Minutes is. What a relief. My head would have exploded.

[SharonRB]

40. I watched the first part of 60 Minutes and then switched over to BookTV, too

I wish I had known Palast, et al were on before I sat through the Mitt Romney Show.

[genie_weenie]

20. They are far too important to waste in Iraq

Romney said he wants to add at least 100,000 troops, excluding my 5 sons of course,*** and re-equip the military because of armaments lost during fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, and to accelerate the nation's missile defense system.

"The right course for America in a world where evil still exists is not acquiescence and weakness, it is assertiveness and strength," Romney said. "Which is why I am grooming my sons for control and leadership, there are far too many poor applicants filling up the spots in the military for them to join, anyway."***

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070512/ap_on_el_pr/romney2008


***All right I added the bold sections. But, does anyone really expect Romney to offer up his sons into the Army Rangers to go into Syria looking for Saddam's WMDs?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x851698

[troubleinwinter]

21. Not enough "spots in the military" for these sons being "groom(ed)...for control and leadership"

"I am grooming my sons for control and leadership..."

Josh: "I'm currently working as a real estate developer"

Ben: A college student with "time constraints"

Craig: "I work as a music producer at an ad agency."

Matt: "I work at a real estate company; we buy, sell, manage and develop commercial properties."

Tagg: "Chief Marketing Officer-Los Angeles Dodgers" Interests- Spending time with my wife and kids, baseball (go Sox), basketball (go Celtics), waterskiing, horses, travel, snow skiing, movies. Favorite movies- Band of Brothers, Saving Private Ryan. Favorite Books- For Whom The Bell Tolls...

[fooj]

45. Favorite Books- For Whom The Bell Tolls...

Guess he missed that IT TOLLS FOR THEE.

[in_cog_ni_to]

28. JUST A NOTE: I tried to post their pic, but can't.... it's at the link. AND

my computer froze up and it took me forever to get back here to post. Sorry for the missing pic, but if you go to the link...you'll see all the chickenhawks in their glory.:(

[troubleinwinter]

33. Six Chicken Hawks

who support *uh's war and troop buildup.

"I am grooming my sons for control and leadership..."

[in_cog_ni_to]

34. Thank you for posting that pic! I tried "saving it as", I tried copy paste url and

nothing worked! Thanks so much. Would you look at them? The GALL it takes to support this illegal invasion and NOT ENLIST! It makes my blood boil.

[troubleinwinter]

37. That's cuz it the graphic is actually a link

I had to take a screen shot & crop it & save it & all that kinda stuff.

It was worth it to see all the chicken-hawks in a line with their pretty smiles caring nothing about our young people and Iraqis dying daily.

[fooj]

42. Make that 8 Chickenhawks...

Karl doesn't want his son "picking tomatoes" either.

[bikebloke]

46. Isn't Karl's "son" adopted?

I read somewhere that the kid belongs to his wife from a former marriage. Karl has never bred. If I'm wrong then it's terrible the fat shite's DNA will extend into the future.

[troubleinwinter]

47. Married '86, kid born '87. Who knows.

[orleans]

36. let's see...BEN IS 28 SO HE CAN GO

CRAIG IS 26 SO HE CAN GO

JOSH IS 31 SO HE CAN GO

MATT IS 35 SO HE CAN GO

TAGG IS 37 SO HE CAN GO

[in_cog_ni_to]

50. ARRRRRRRRGH!!!!! They make me SICK!

Pampered.... slimy..... chickenhawk warmongers!

[troubleinwinter]

39. "too many poor applicants filling up the spots in the military for them to join, anyway" Mitt Romney

WTF????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????? :wtf: :freak:

[marshall]

48. Who was the last president to have a child in the military?

Eisenhower?

[fooj]

49. Actually, I think it was Poppy. (George H. W. Bush)

There was a draft in effect. Little Lord Pissypants got "special treatment" and stepped over hundreds of qualified applicants in line for the same position. Then he went AWOL. I guess that "disqualifies" him then, eh?

[Habibi]

51. They must be deleting the negative comments over there

I didn't see a one.

[kskiska]

52. Minor radio talk show host Mike Gallagher has 4 sons of military age

and he's quite defensive of the fact that none of them has enlisted. Looks like they're following in their dad's footsteps. He's never served, either, but he's totally supportive of *'s war.