For Missing Soldiers: All Bets Are Off!

[veracity]

When the Abu Ghraib photos emerged, and the US openly opted to abandon the Geneva Conventions, the editor at TvNewsLIES.org warned that all bets were off regarding the treatment of any US or coalition prisoners taken by the insurgency.

Of course, now that 4,000 troops are hunting for these poor missing troops, horror is being expressed at the possibility of their mistreatment or killing. Duh!

I have little hope for the survival of these soldiers at the hands of people who have been so terribly mistreated by their invaders. When will anyone in this administration learn that what goes around comes right around to hit you even harder?

Original editorial "ALL BETS ARE OFF" - here:
http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/iraq_-_all_bets_are_off.html

[Raven]

1. If these soldiers are mistreated or killed, it will all come

crumbling down on George Bush's head. Believe me, it will be the tipping point.

[EnviroBat]

3. You may be right about that... n/t

[Fridays Child]

4. I hope you're right but a previous instance didn't undo B*sh.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200606/s1667766.htm

[bunkerbuster1]

5. Oh, do have some faith in the gullibility of the Merkin Publick.

I still do; and I have a tremendous amount of faith in the ability of our corporate media to package this as What Happens When You Don't Sport Duh Trupes.

It's all Pelosi's fault, obviously!

[atreides1]

7. I Don't Think So

Unless their captors make sure that they are being shown the same level of treatment that was given to the prisoners at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.

All in all, Bush won't be adversely affected by anything that happens to these men!

[leftchick]

12. nope

remember back in January the troops attacked, kidnapped and murdered? Nothing has changed, the surge continues and the Dems keep funding the occupation.

[jerryme1]

20. You would think it would be a tipping point. But I see Bushco arguing that such treatment

of soldiers by Al qaeda requires the U.S. to remain in Iraq to finish the tough mission.

[blondeatlast]

28. I hate to admit it, but you may very well be right. Twisting logic comes

so easily to this misadministration that ordinary logic would make their heads explode.

Yours is a grim scenario but it wouldn't surprise me in the least. :scared:

[sandnsea]

41. Absolutely

I think that's why al qaeda took them, to make sure the war gets extended. We will fall right into it, can't let our troops be captured/killed/tortured without responding. I can hear it now.

[TahitiNut]

42. Bushco would argue that squirrel farts justify a longer occupation if they had to.

There's not a thing that they have not attempted to exploit for partisan advantage and more rape and pillage. If there aren't any actual events then they've fabricated them. Lies! It's fucking insane that ANYONE worries about what these people will try to use - they have absolutely no bounds.

[NightWatcher]

2. the sick thing is if they torture our guys, we cannot complain

We torture their guys, so I guess that they are entitled to return in the same fashion.

This is why we should not do it. "Moral High Ground", remember that idea folks? We've lost it.

[WCGreen]

6. It will mean nothing to the MSM and nothing to Bush....

They don't really care to discuss consequences when their perception of national security is questioned...

[dogday]

8. For those of us who have loved ones who fight in

this mess of a lie, this pisses us off... The other side will argue that they will torture anyway, but it still does not make what we have done and still continue to do right... It makes it harder on our soldiers...

[thereismore]

9. If the soldiers are released, the Iraqis will show they are greater

than we are. Of course, in neocon circles that would be read as weakness.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

10. I don't think we know who has them

We don't know if it's Iraqis or somebody else.

Whoever has them is probably trying to decide whether to show "resolve" or "mercy". Whether to return people, or parts.

Whatever the outcome for the soldiers, this in no way influences GWB. The soldiers are just pawns, a P.R. nuisance.

Quick sidetrack: Hey, did everyone go and vote on whether Paris Hilton should go to prison?

[leftchick]

13. chances are it is an Iraqi guerrilla group

that would be who the US is fighting. This al-quaeda in Iraq is bullshit.

[stillcool]

37. I just hope they don't end up in Iran...

:nuke:

[dogday]

25. Absolutely they would see it as a weakness

If the Republikans had their way, they would bomb the whole country and be done with it....

[RL3AO]

11. At least we dont behead our prisioners.

[theHandpuppet]

15. No, we just shove them off bridges

Or rape them then murder their families for being witnesses. Yep, we really hold the moral high ground here. Wrong is wrong. PERIOD.

[magellan]

16. Some probably would have preferred beheading

...to the torture they endured.

[seabeyond]

18. butt rape a 15 yr old boy, stick florescent lites up their ass

beat them to death and god knows what else for how long.

ya.... damn good thing we at least have the civility to not behead people

outrageous

[Richard Steele]

19. No, that's way too fast and painless. We spend DAYS with our victims before we let them die.

[Richard Steele]

24. Brilliant. Halliburton billboards over a million Iraqi graves: "At least we left the heads on".

Yeah, that'll make everything all better.
What a thoughtful man you are.

[dogday]

30. I wonder how many of the people that have been tortured

have cried out for death... Beheading would of been a blessing to them....

[RL3AO]

31. I knew I would take some crap for saying that, but not this much.

[Forkboy]

39. It's not enough...that dumbass statement deserves more.

[Name removed]

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[TahitiNut]

43. Beheading has long been regarded as merciful - as far as killing is concerned.

The guillotine, for example, was intended to minimize suffering. Capital punishment itself is despicable.

[maxrandb]

14. DIdn't Chimpy say "Bring It On"?

[Turbineguy]

17. Not giving Abu Ghraib a pass but...

Considering the gusto with which the various factions have slaughtered Iraqi civilians, I doubt that Abu Ghraib provides the captors with more than a lame excuse to do what they enjoy doing anyway.

To us "civilized westerners" Abu Ghraib was a disgrace, but to these sorts of people it may have been nothing more than a "different asshole, same shit" thing.

Somebody pointed out that the population in this area of the world is politically at the same level of southern Europe 150 years ago. In other words democracy, and I'm not talking about Bush and Cheney's version, is an alien concept.

Also, did not Saddam Hussein release all convicted criminals from the prisons?

But the guys holding the soldiers could make something positive out of this by releasing them unharmed.

[seabeyond]

21. IF my memory is holding up. seems like those captured have faired better

than how we have treated the others, in the past. there have been a few beheadings, but seems to me, and especially early on, ours captured where treated reasonably well. that was one of the real ironics when we found out about abu. not suggesting it will happen again or any of it is pleasant

[Balbus]

22. Yeah! I hope they get what they deserve! Torture them for hours!

Right? :shrug:

[seabeyond]

23. please show ONE post where ANYONE is saying what you suggest

posters are saying.

your post is totally offensive. just as your intent was to be. not to mention dishonest

[Name removed]

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[seabeyond]

27. sounded to me like the person i replied to saying we want our soldiers tortured

because we are bringing up abu ghraid. because we are clever enough to recognize the reason for no torture is to protect our very soldiers, kinda slow thinking to suggest us being bummed our soldiers are now in this position due to our asshole leaders to suffer repercussions is cheering on their very torture. that poster on 11 suggesting our torture and murdering not as bad as iraq because we dont behead is just ignorant.

[Richard Steele]

29. "Sarcasm" doesn't cross language barriers easily, if ever.

Just sayin'.

[RL3AO]

32. I dont think I'm liberal enough for this site.

[uppityperson]

34. from rule page...

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[uppityperson]

35. delete, dupe. DU is acting up again

[seabeyond]

36. i am not all that liberal either.

many things on du i can argue. especially nanny rule is my greatest peeve. but, to suggest our torture is not as bad because we dont behead makes no sense to me. i dont think it has anything to do with liberal or conservative.

[Ghost in the Machine]

33. see my thread on this subject....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x882161

[stray cat]

38. Do you really think they would be returned unharmed regardless

Abu Ghraib certainly disclosed are mistreatment but insurgents or Al Queda don't generally leave their victims unharmed - in fact generally they're beheaded or just killed outright like on 9-11