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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 01:54 PM
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Violence in Pakistan could be bad news for Bush

Violence in Pakistan could be bad news for Bush

The news that its high-paid buddy in Pakistan - General President Pervez Musharraf, the democracy-crushing dictator who has received billions in U.S. taxpayer dollars - is being challenged and may be on the decline can't be good for Team Bush.

Dragged down by its costly, failed adventure in Iraq and mired in corruption scandals back home, the Bush administration has no enthusiastic allies left. If Musharraf falls, it won't look good for Team Bush to have aided him for so long, literally buying his support in its aimless "war on terror." If Musharraf uses heavy-handed tactics to crush Pakistan's pro-democracy movement, that won't look good either for a U.S. administration that still claims to be a big promoter of democracy around the world.

Just what kind of challenge to his regime is Musharraf, the army general who would be president - and has been, since he stole his country's government in 1999 - facing? After he fired Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, the chief justice of Pakistan's High Court, several weeks ago, claiming the high-ranking judge had used his influence to help obtain a police job for his son, many lawyers and members of the country's legal community have thrown their support behind the ousted jurist. ("World Views," May 8, 2007)

For them, Chaudhry has become a symbol of the abuses of Musharraf's dictatorship. Over the weekend of May 5-6, Chaudhry traveled by motorcade from Islamabad to Lahore, greeted by large crowds of supporters along the way. Upon arriving in Lahore, he addressed a pro-democracy rally (which was regarded, in effect, as an anti-Musharraf protest demonstration).

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Someone's Got Pervez Musharraf Worried (and It Isn't the Taliban)

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As I watched Pakistanis demonstrate their desperate desire for the rule of law over the past two weeks, I found myself wondering if they had at last, in CJ Chaudhry, found a figure who could unite secularly-oriented democrats sickened by the misrule of Pakistan’s benighted PPP and ML. I certainly don't want a reputable judge to go into politics, but after all these years, Pakistani voters have no honest party to represent them. If either of the major political parties had ruled Pakistan responsibly while in power, there would have been no pretext for periodic Army intervention. First there was Ayub Khan. Then Zia-ul-Haq. And now there’s Pervez Musharraf, who has masqueraded as a moderate in politics.

But now Musharraf’s bluff has been called. He can tolerate firebrand maulanas threatening to impose immediate implementation of a strict version of sharia law. He can allow veiled girl students to rampage through Islamabad, harassing people they consider immoral and holding authorities to ransom. He can give Al Qaeda a safe haven on the Pakistani side of the border with Afghanistan. He can even allow Islamists to impose their own version of Islam on everyone in North Wazirastan. As a Dawn editorialist complains, the Taliban have

banned the sale of music and even listening to it in public places. They did it in their usual threatening manner, forcibly removing tape players from buses or destroying CDs. That they have no legal right to order such prohibitions means nothing to them, nor does it seem to affect the government which looks the other way whenever the Taliban try to impose their notions of Islamic laws....In the last few months, one has heard of men being ordered to be beheaded on suspicion of being spies, music or barber shops being blown up, girls being prevented from going to school and other equally appalling do’s and don’ts...This must stop. No one has the right to enforce religion in this matter. It is the government’s responsibility to maintain law and order...and one else’s. Any failure to do so will have grave consequences.

The grave consequences, of course, are already underway: the attempts by emboldened Taliban sympathizers to impose a similar regime on Islamabad and elsewhere outside the tribal areas. But Pervez Musharraf can do nothing about such challenges, it’s said, because Pakistan’s army is increasingly sympathetic to conservative Islam and the notorious ISI has long been cozily in bed with the Taliban.

So what’s a military dictator-cum-president to do if he wants to stay in power? Why harass the real enemy, the people who believe in the rule of law. When lawyers without guns take to the streets, they must be stopped at any cost.

Dead Ringers

You'd think, then, that Musharraf would be a strange ally for an American president. In fact, the similarities are striking. US President George W. Bush won his first election illegitimately, stays in power by currying the support of Christian fundamentalists, has encouraged his operatives to rig elections by hook or by crook, has done his best to subvert the judiciary and the rule of law and pays no attention to the voice of the majority of the voters in the 2006 election when it comes to the conduct of the war in Iraq. So where's the difference?

(h/t Salon)

Pakistan militants kill American soldier

Where is Bush?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 01:58 PM
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1. Musharif is a dangerous man. Al Qaeda has it's foot on his neck
and he desperately wants the US to intervene in his relations with India.

BHutto was no prize, but she beats him any day. I've often said that there's another I/P conflict that the US needs to watch carefully...
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 02:12 PM
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2. This, Ma'am, Is the Most Dangerous Developement At Present In The World
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 02:25 PM
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3. Pakistan and India have both tested nukes, Mr. Bush. Care to comment?
...(chirp)...(chirp)...(chirp)...
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 02:34 PM
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4. Gen. Musharef, Ma'am, Is Losing His Grip On the Place
There is a real danger of fracture, even civil war, in Pakistan. This represents the only real potential route to possession of nuclear weapons by the jihadi movement....
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 03:06 PM
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6. There seem to be political forces in Pakistan playing both sides
against the middle. They tender support to Musharef and they seem to support the jihadis.

Those nukes seem to me, anyway, up for grabs by whoever wins this game of chicken. :(
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 03:14 PM
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8. But, but, but... there are no terraists in India or Pakistan!
None of those "unpleasant" radical factions at all, no sir!

And Musharif has been our ally in the war on terra; Mr. Bush keeps saying so so it must be true!
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 04:52 PM
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13. Gen. Musharef, Ma'am, Is the Closest Thing To An Ally We Have In Pakistan
He is, of course, far from a friend....
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 04:48 PM
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12. Of Course, Ma'am: That Is the Best Way To Play
Edited on Mon May-14-07 04:49 PM by The Magistrate
At least for a while, since there is always the danger that, when one plays both ends against the middle, one will run out of middle to play, and meet a very sticky end....
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 03:28 PM
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9. Right.
I am not sure that it represents the "only real potential route," but it certainly is the most likely. The region becomes less stable as the General loses the ability to exercise the degree of control he has had. That is not, of course, an endorsement of him.

A friend used to live in that part of the world. I had asked him before about his impressions of an Afghan government that might be open to finding common ground with India. I assume that the more radical forces that Musharef doesn't control might find that rather uncomfortable.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 04:58 PM
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14. Thank You, Sir
While a truely independent Afghan government might make gestures towards alignment with India, it does seem unlikely these would have real heart in them. Pakistan views Afghanistan as its fall-back position when the centuries old process of rolling back Islamic conquest of the sub-continent moves towards another northward bite, as it inevitably will in coming years. Presented as a defence of religion, the people of Afghanistan would probably rally to hostilities against India.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 03:00 PM
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5. Pakistan - ready to blow.
The developments in Pakistan are unbelievably dangerous right now. Think of it as going inside an oil refinery with a lit match.

I suspect the US will be incapable of doing anything right now (we're a little bogged down in Iraq & Afghanistan). And maybe that's better. Because no matter what we do, it always makes things worse.

NOW the U.S. has been really good to Pervez Musharraf. We forgave about $4.1 billion dollars worth of debt 2 years ago. We gave him the MiG fighters which he so badly wanted. Gave 'em; note.
At this point his military is probably armed to the gills.
But it doesn't change the fact that he's widely hated; is seen as a U.S. puppet and he only represents a tiny microscopic minority in that country.

Even the strongest military can fail
Who knows? Maybe Musharraf has a bunch of "traitors" in "his" military, people ready to support a coup d'etat.

Pakistan has nukes.
And if Musharraf goes.....
The NEW leaders get the Nukes.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 03:09 PM
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7. Violence in Pakistan is bad news for EVERYBODY!
He was never a "good fit" as an ally in combating radical fundamentalist Islam. Now with his shaky hold on the reins I have a hard time imagining this getting anything but worse.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 03:39 PM
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10. Yup...nt
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 03:45 PM
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11. Wonder if anyone has told the Commander Guy?
Does he know where Pakistan is located on the map?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 08:01 PM
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15. Kick! n/t
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 08:16 PM
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16. No screaming babies, punch-throwing moms, or grumpy ol' ladies, but...
:kick:
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