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GReedDiamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:51 PM
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"I challenge anyone to document ONE lie told by George W Bush"...
...that's what a lunatic teabagger said to me and a co-worker the other day. Just seconds before that, he had been unsuccessfully trying to download a YouTube video on his I-phone, wherein Barack Obama states that his FATHER had been in the U.S. Military during WWII. Of course, as EVERYONE KNOWS, Barack's father was a child during WWII, and certainly NOT in the U.S. Military. I later heard the audio from that clip, and he does misspeak as the 'bagger claims, but it is nothing more than an innocent slip of the tongue. Obviously, he meant his grandfather, who, along with Barack's grandmother, basically raised young Barack, as I understand it. So he misspoke - he said the word "father" when he meant "grandfather" - and this teabagger idiot says this PROVES that Obama is a LIAR! A LIARRRR!!! Right after that he made his challenge to prove even ONE George W Bush documented lie!

I reacted to his "challenge" by bursting into hysterical, Joker-like laughter and said, "you crack me up, that's absolutely hilariously fuckin' off-the-rails insane, you motherfuckin' freeper shitbag!" At that point, he skulked away and avoided me the remainder of his time in the factory.

(To explain, I do technical consulting for a hand painting/silkscreen contractor to the garment industry, which also produces its own line of women's hand painted tops. They took on the Teabagger, who had been a client until he ran his company out of business, as a sales rep for the women's line, so, unfortunately he comes over almost every day. The owner, my client, who is a "conservative" himself - but not totally insane, yet - actually thinks its funny when I verbally slam, or, abuse, if you like, his 'bagger sales rep.)

I've had several run-ins with this guy (which always end with me usually calling him something like a "low-life motherfuckin Repug freeper-zombie fake-patriot fuckwad moron," or some such thing, and him running away), starting several years ago when he was defending and supporting the use of torture by the Cheney and Bush gang. He LOVES Palin and Michelle Bachmann, thinks BP is being wrongfully persecuted by the Obama Administration, supports AZ 1070 law, etc etc etc. After one of these kind of "events," the 'bagger goes out of his way to avoid me, and spews his Glenn Beck/Limbaugh/O'Reilly etc talking points only when I'm not around. But, eventually, usually around 2-3 months, he again starts loudly proclaiming wingnut talking points in my presence, and I am forced to call him an asshole douchebag fuckhead or whatever, so he goes away for another few months.

Question: Am I wrong? Should I be more "civil" (not sure actually, if that's possible), or how should I deal with this guy. He's a loudmouth FAUX News type propagandist, spewing his shit to everybody he meets - I'm not kidding or exaggerating at all about that - he's like a willfully ignorant, ideologically driven, twisted, fear-driven, 66 year old freeper on meth, he NEVER STOPS! He lives alone, basically has no friends, alienates pretty much everybody he comes into contact with, etc. However, I can't take his bullshit for even three minutes, especially when I'm trying to work.

I welcome DUer's comments and/or suggestions, and I thank you all in advance (I think), as I may not be able to respond to everybody, as, ya know, I got some other stuff to get to tonight, but I'll be checking in periodically, so thanks!
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:53 PM
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1. geesh, how mush time to you have?
There is so much out there it would take DAYS to cover it all!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:55 PM
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3. Here's the ONE time he told the truth...
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:34 PM
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35. Oh. I thought the one time he told the truth was when he gave his name.
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GReedDiamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:36 PM
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36. Yeah, but is that the name on his Birth Certificate?...n/t
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GReedDiamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:56 PM
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7. I know, that's why I did not bother...
...to start listing Bush-lies, and went straight for the ad hominem attack/verbal assault.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:54 PM
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2. Start with this one:
Edited on Wed Aug-04-10 08:55 PM by rox63
"Combat operations in Iraq have been completed"

You could also bring up those WMDs that weren't there.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:56 PM
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have fun
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:07 PM
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23. LOL
You have them by the website - freaking priceless :rofl: :rofl:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:56 PM
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4. THAT is the exact kind of stupidity that got pres shit-for-brains into the White House 2x!!
Please give the guy an extra jab for me...
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GReedDiamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:06 PM
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21. You got it...
...but it might take a few months for the opportunity to arise.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:56 PM
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5. I generally try and be civil...however
I've been known to get on a soap box if so inspired. If someone were to present me with that challenge, I would be more than happy to oblige.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:56 PM
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6. I really think that's the best approach
How do you argue facts with someone who thinks that they can make up "facts" that are just as valid as actual facts? You can't. The only thing to do is make it painful for them to spout their crap. Trying to engage them in argument only justifies their crap, because it gives them credibility they don't deserve just by trying to disprove what is obviously stupidly wrong.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:57 PM
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9. you have to give him a LIST
of lies. then add some crimes. remember when georgee said the war would be FREE.
and sadaam at yellow cake.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:57 PM
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10. Should you be more civil? Fuck him. He deserves every minute of misery he has left
in his shithole life.

mark
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GReedDiamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:58 PM
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12. Thank you for your support...n/t
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:58 PM
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13. "I AM NOT INTO NATION BUILDING".... George W. Bush
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GReedDiamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:01 PM
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16. Thanks to evryone so far, for all of the Bush-lie suggestions,..
...but this particular fellow does not respond to factual information which can be documented/proven.

He doesn't live in the same universe as the rest of us.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:59 PM
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14. "motherfuckin Repug freeper-zombie fake-patriot fuckwad moron"
That about covers the Teabagger movement.
:thumbsup:
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:00 PM
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15. I can understand. It's hard to keep it down to just one lie.
:rofl:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:01 PM
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17. For starters, George Walker Bush lied America into two illegal, immoral and unnecessary wars.
Know your BFEE: Bush has Killed a Million Innocent People for Their Oil.

...For more Bush lies, please see:

Henry Paulson, Banker to the BFEE

Know your BFEE: Cultkeepers

Know your BFEE: It wasn’t Obama who Looted the Treasury and Banks. It was Bush and his Cronies.

Know your BFEE: John McCain, Dim Knight Errant of the War Party

Know your BFEE: Goldmine Sacked or The Best Way to Rob a Bank Is to Own One

Know your BFEE: Phil Gramm, the Meyer Lansky of the War Party, Set-Up the Biggest Bank Heist Ever.

Know your BFEE: The Corrupt Bastards Club… with Lipstick

Know your BFEE: Olympic Games Show Who’s Best Friends Forever with Authoritarians and Dictators

Know your BFEE: 1984 Death of Outstanding Congressional Staffer Buried Poppy-Moon Relationship

Know your BFEE: Forget Rev. Wright! It’s Bush and His Cronies Who Owe an Apology for Rev. Moon!

Know your BFEE: GW Bush Covers Up His Lying America Into War

Know your BFEE: Bush and His Crooks with Badges Sent an Innocent Man to Jail

Know your BFEE: They Looted Your Nation’s S&Ls for Power and Profit

Know your BFEE: War and Oil are just two longtime Main Lines of Business

Know your BFEE: Scions of the Military Industrial Complex

Know your BFEE: Spawn of Wall Street and the Third Reich

Know your BFEE: Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ford Covered Up CIA Murder of American Scientist

Know your BFEE: Money Trumps Peace. Always.

Know your BFEE: They kill good soldiers like Col. Ted Westhusing for profit.

Know your BFEE: America’s Ruling Gangster Class

Poppy Bush brought up JFK Assassination and "Conspiracy Theorists" at Ford Funeral

Know your BFEE: Robert Gates did more than keep the doors open at BCCI

Know your BFEE: The Fellowship ‘Preys’ for America

Sink the BFEE: Foley gives us Congress. Condi sends 'em to prison.

Beat the BFEE: Poppy’s CIA warned about terror plots and did not stop them

Know your BFEE: Los Amigos de Bush

Know your BFEE: Neil Bush hangs out with Russian Mafiya Godfather

Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush was in Dallas the day JFK was assassinated.

Know your BFEE: Nazis couldn’t win WWII, so they backed Bushes.

Know your BFEE: At every turn, JFK was opposed by War Party

Know your BFEE: Lies Are the Currency of Their Realm

Know your BFEE: Cheney & Halliburton Sold Iran Nuke Technology

Know your BFEE: The Stench of Moussaoui Permeates the Octopus

Know your BFEE: Moussaoui Must Die for Bush and 'His' Government

Know your BFEE: Alito is just another word for Mussolini

Know your BFEE: Like a NAZI

Know your BFEE: The China-Bush Axis

Know your BFEE: Bush and bin Laden Clans Together in Bed

Know your BFEE: Libby Is the First Big BFEE Turd to Go Down

Know your BFEE: WHIG (White House Iraq Group) made phony case for Iraq War

Know your BFEE: The Secret Government

Know your BFEE: Reinhard Gehlen

Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush Armed Saddam

Know your BFEE: Killer Businessmen who put Power and Profit before Country

Know your BFEE: Nixon Threatened to Nuke Vietnam

Know your BFEE: Corrupt Craftsmen Hoover and Dulles

Know your BFEE: Poppy’s CIA Made Saddam Into the Butcher of Baghdad

Know your BFEE: Hitler’s Bankers Shaped Vietnam War

Know your BFEE: Merchants of Death

Know your BFEE: R. James Woolsey, Turd of War

Know your BFEE: Sneering Dick Cheney, Superturd-Superrich-Supercrook

Know your BFEE: Bush Lied America into War

Know your BFEE: James R Bath – Bush – bin Laden Link

Know your BFEE: War Profiteers

Know your BFEE: Dead Men Tell No Tales

Know your BFEE: Bush and bin Laden Clans Together in Bed

Know your BFEE: Rev. Sun Myung Moon OWNS Poppy Bush

Know your BFEE: Homeland Czar & Petro-Turd Bernie Kerik

Know your BFEE: American Children Used in Radiation Experiments

Know your BFEE: Eugenics and the NAZIs - The California Connection

Know your BFEE: The Barreling Bushes

Know your BFEE: A Crime Line of Treason

Know your BFEE: How Smirko Got Rich

Know your BFEE: George W Bush did "community service" at Project P.U.L.L.

Know your BFEE: Vote Suppressor Supreme, the Turd Bill Rehnquist

Know your BFEE: George W Bush Knew 9-11 Was Coming and Did NOTHING!

Know your BFEE: Oliver North, Drug Dealer

Know your BFEE: Pat Robertson Incorporated a Gold Mine with a Terrorist
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GReedDiamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:03 PM
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19. Wow, that's great, thanks Octafish...
...but, see my reply, #16.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:02 PM
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18. Anything that gets rid of them is the right thing to do
You're not going to change the shitbag's alleged mind, so you might as well laugh at him and watch him slink away.

Taking their lunacy seriously is the worst thing we can do at this point. We have to laugh at them, although some of us might use more polite language in different situations.
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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:06 PM
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20. Although being kind is what my Mama would say to do, I agree with YOU. You just have to explain to
these stooges that motherfuckers fuck their mothers. When you LET the MFer know that you SEE the MFing and this is how you KNOW he's an MF-er, they pivot to another MFing topic, usually Clinton's penis. When they shove the Clenis in your face (and they will, it's right after Kenya and 9-11) politely remind them that the Clenis was ACQUITTED. Oh, how they ***HATE*** that. Make sure you remind them that ACQUITTED means "not guilty". Anything that involves The Clenis and "not guilty" is like kryptonite to these MFers.

Also, be sure to tell the MFer that YOUR patriotism goes further than a fucking Lee Greenwood song.
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GReedDiamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:07 PM
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22. I like that, thanks LaydeeBug...n/t
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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:08 PM
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24. Oh, and as far as that lie goes, how about, "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"? nt
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:10 PM
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27. +100
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:08 PM
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25. Tell him..
... you don't have time. It would be much quicker to enumerate the things he said that were not lies.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:08 PM
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26. 2 words: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:13 PM
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28. Tell him what you really think
Sounds like you are being too diplomatic if he keeps opening his mouth in your presence.
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GReedDiamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:21 PM
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31. That is funny, izquierdista...but, I hate to say this...
...maybe I hinted at it in my OP, about how he lives alone: I kinda feel sorry for the guy...I've actually considered inviting him over to my house for a barbecue, a couple joints and some beers...than I snap back to reality.

I feel somewhat bad after berating him...but I also get some kind of satisfaction from it.

He's like my own personal FReeper/'bagger verbal punching bag.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 10:34 PM
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42. Well, if you are going to be nice to him
You could just turn him around. I'll bet he isn't signed up for Social Security and Medicare and doesn't even realize Medicare is a government program. I knew a right-wing basket case once, disabled but had no clue he would be eligible for SSI. After I helped him get signed up for SSI, he began to view the world differently. Pissants like him are so used to tearing down the gub'mint because some senile old fool told them that government IS the problem that they don't know how to be constructive and make it work.

If you do that though, you'll have to listen real carefully to hear...............you know, I've been wrong all this time.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:17 PM
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29. Never let his crap hang in the air un-challenged.... Remember.
other people may be thinking he might "have a point". If there's not much political talk around the office, generally, other less engaged people may be buying it.

The effect of the ad hominum fade with repetition...

Funny shoot-downs work best.
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GReedDiamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:28 PM
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34. Believe me annabanana, nothing hangs in the air around me...
...and you are 100% correct about the "have a point" thing when it comes to the Big Lie practitioners, thanks.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:20 PM
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30. Iraq has WMD
Tell them to put that in their tea and suck on it, assholes.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:23 PM
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I do believe these dopes need to be mocked (at the very least)
Thanks, GReedDiamond
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:23 PM
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32. I do believe these dopes need to be mocked (at the very least)
Thanks, GReedDiamond
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GReedDiamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:25 PM
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33. You are welcome x 2, jtrockville...
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 08:31 AM
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45. LOL, not sure why I repeated myself...
odd that the first post doesn't have a number?
* shrugs *

I guess the DU web-goddess agreed with me?
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:40 PM
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37. Here's one from when he was campaigning the first time
The job of a leader is to recruit good people, to ask them to serve. I found such a man in my running mate, named Dick Cheney. What a good man he is.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0011/04/se.04.html
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:42 PM
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Ask him if he
REALLY BELIEVES what he says...Or the one I use a lot - "Just listen to yourself"...




















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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:42 PM
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38. How do you know when Chimpy is lying?
Are his lips moving? Then yes, he is.
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ChoppinBroccoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:46 PM
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39. Technically, The Guy Is Right
You CAN'T document JUST ONE lie Bush told. Because as soon as you start thinking about it, your brain becomes flooded with them. The one I always used to shut right-wing mouth-breathers down back in 2004 (yes, they were using that line back then too) was the quote he gave to a German television station where he told them that we actually found the WMDs in Iraq. It's a great one because even his supporters have no response for it.
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GReedDiamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:52 PM
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40. The "One Lie" thing occurred to me...
...that "Yeah, there are hundreds or thousands (zillions?!)!"

Thanks for the refresher on the German TV quote, I remember claims like that by the Cheney/Bush (unelected, mis)Admin, but did not know it was on German TV.
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 10:10 PM
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41. You're doing the right thing- keep up the creative insults and don't give him any validation at all
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 12:30 AM
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43. Do you want to take away the one thing he does have: Republican acceptance?
And you're going to do it by mocking him, calling him names, and stepping on his beliefs -- the keys to his continued acceptance -- stepping on the last, if not the only human connection he has left.

Is that who you are?

It's okay, we're in a class war. But, I don't think you're winning for us.
If I may, could you try to validate him... not his facts, just validate that he holds those as facts.

Oh, you really think that?

It has the implication that you don't, and that is enough for him and others listening.

Oh, really!?

... seems to always work.

Good luck.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 03:00 AM
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44. Any time he said (or implied) he was a Texan. Born in Connecticut, prepped at
Phillips Andover Academy (current tuition: $41,300 per year), then on to Yale and Harvard.

Yeah, typical Texan.

:eyes:
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