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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:11 PM
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It blows my mind that the lawyer that argued for Bush in Bush v. Gore...
Edited on Wed Aug-04-10 09:13 PM by LynneSin
was the same lawyer that help to overturn Prop 8 in California.

Perhaps Ted Olson has redeemed himself.

And knowing the right-wing nutjobs out there like the freeper morans, they've banished him from their circle of conservative heros even though Olson although from what I have read Olson's argument was deep with conservative values - meaning government butt out.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:13 PM
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1. He's gone a long way towards that, I think.
I could NOT be happier!

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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:14 PM
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2. Some rich folks are gay?
Just trying to understand his cognitive dissidence.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:15 PM
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3. Maybe his wife plowing into the Pentagon
Changed his mind about how wise that selection of Dubya was.
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zazen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:15 PM
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4. he lost his wife in 9/11, didn't he? sometimes tragedies can change our values
I don't know if that's why, but I always wondered.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 10:02 PM
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5. Barbara Olson was on that plane only b/c she changed her original flight
Edited on Wed Aug-04-10 10:11 PM by no_hypocrisy
so she could wake up with her husband on 9-11 to wish him a happy birthday.*

Tell me how you wouldn't be scarred for life, knowing that.

* For you cynics, I'll save you some key action. Here's the cite to show you Ted Olson's birthdate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Olson
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 10:41 PM
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8. She was on her way to be on Bill Maher's "Politically Incorrect."
He kept a chair empty in memoriam for a few days.



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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 07:48 AM
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15. I remember that.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 10:32 PM
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6. PerhapsTed knows something about love...& love lost.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 10:36 PM
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7. lawyers go where the money is most of the time...they are a service industry
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 10:42 PM
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9. Lawyers with good professional ethics set aside most of their other ethics at the courtroom door.
Edited on Wed Aug-04-10 10:42 PM by Donald Ian Rankin
Which is as it should be - the whole point of an adversarial justice is that for two people in the room, "doing the right thing" is a matter of fighting their corner as hard as the law permits, rather than trying impartially to see justice done.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 10:42 PM
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10. As a libertarian this is perfectly consistent
and he will be a good man to have in front of the Supremes, since this is going all the way.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 10:59 PM
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11. some owe him an apology..............
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 06:53 AM
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13. So seriously!
If he takes this to the Supreme Court and wins - he should become their Patron Saint!
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david13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 11:02 PM
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12. A good lawyer can argue either side of a case. A good lawyer
must consider each and every aspect of the argument for the other side of the case. It's an essential part of any preparation on a case, to know what the other side is going to say, argue, write, and put forth, and how we are going to rebut or refute that.
dc
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 06:54 AM
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14. A good lawyer will put his personal beliefs aside
For all we know this guy still might not like homosexuals. But his personal opinion doesn't make him the law. The law is the constitution and that's what Ted was representing.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 08:36 AM
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16. I've read and listened to his opinion on this matter.
He's convinced me that he believes in this cause and I don't think that he's doing it for the money. People like Olson do it for the challenge and how historical they think the ruling will be viewed later in history.

And yes, I do think that tragedy can change a person's values.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 09:19 AM
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17. Olson is a true libertarian, something that teabaggers claim they are but don't get
Libertarians do not want their government interfering in their lives. But how can you be libertarian if you take away the civil rights of other law abiding citizens OR interfere with personal choices.

Ted Olson and what he has done today really highlights how the teabagger movement has absolutely NOTHING whatsoever with libertarianism else the freepers wouldn't be all in an uproar over Prop8 overturning. If they really truly supported libertarianism they would be damn grateful that once again the government was removed from another personal choice. The only thing teabaggers want their government out of is taxes and guns - outside of that they want the government meddling in all your other personal choices AND they want their SSN/Disability/Medicare handouts too.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 01:02 PM
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18. +1
Good points, all.
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