Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

It’s Been Almost a Decade. Can We Dial Back On The Crazy Now?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 12:41 AM
Original message
It’s Been Almost a Decade. Can We Dial Back On The Crazy Now?

From the time of the Puritans in Salem, Massachusetts, hunting down witches in 1692 – 1693, through Glenn Beck’s rants about Progressives-Nazis, the country has been in flux politically. Our nation has gone through several bouts of irrationality, followed by corrections and then reflections on what went wrong. Although there has always been a segment of society that is less than stellar when it comes to reasonableness, they have rarely been in charge. And they have rarely held so much of the country under its sway.

During the 1920’s the Ku Klux Klan had between five and six million members with the country’s population just over a third of what it is now. They held political power in many states – especially Indiana - had the support of millions and regularly beat and lynched blacks who stood up for their rights. That was main stream at the time, but it didn’t last. During the McCarthy era paranoia was the norm in the houses of power. In the oxymoronic standard of the time, we needed to be less free in order to keep our freedom. Thankfully, that didn’t last either. At least it was dormant for a few decades. The extreme right of the John Birch Society types of the late 50’s and 1960’s, and the mean spirited McCarthy type right of the early 1950’s are now running an entire party, after recently running the country. Open bigotry has made it into media on a scale that would have been completely off limits just ten years ago. Although what Fox News and right-wing radio push is not recognized as bigotry by Fox and right-wing radio, it is bigotry none-the-less. Witness the non-stories of ACORN, the New Black Panthers and Shirley Sherrod, pushed to scare whites into thinking they are being overrun. Immigration is also hyped beyond all reason and presented in such a way as to enflame passions and preclude any meaningful conversation.

There are always bigots or people who are prone to hate and immune to logic. The difference between one era and another of course, is degrees. So, certain times stand out when the crazies rule the roost. The eras of inanity like the Salem Witch Trials, the KKK’s heyday, McCarthyism and the 21st century, always have at least two characteristics in common with each other. They are highly charged emotionally and there is a definite resistance to logic. Very traumatic experiences like the 9-11 terrorist attacks or The Great Depression move people in one or two ways. They either push people toward making a better society where the collective looks out for one another, or they push the populace into making a worse society by dividing them and stoking fear and anger.

The current war on reality didn’t start immediately after the terrorist attacks of 2001. Directly after the attacks there was a feeling of shock and a feeling of togetherness. People were more polite to each other and more helpful. But that was very short lived. Within a month there was talk was of giving up freedoms and of us versus them. Within a year just pointing out the obvious, like Iraq didn’t attack us, could lose a person friends and get one accused of being a terrorist sympathizer. From there, it wasn’t long before pointing out other obvious facts, such as, we are creating more terrorists than we are killing, or, tax cuts for the rich are going to hurt the economy, was cause for more accusations of terrorist sympathies, which has now morphed into being a communist or socialist.

During the Bush years the Christian Right was at the forefront of war on reality. They have faded in prominence, but the war is still going full force. With the same disregard for facts as a young-earther, a certain portion of society will defend torture insisting that it works, or avow that massive tax cuts increase government revenue. These people can look at a USA Today Poll that shows seventy-seven percent say they would prefer a public option in a health care bill, and insist no one wants a public option. These mostly Fox News viewers, will accuse someone of using the "Alinsky Method" when asked to site a source, and then become angry when told that source sighting is not part of the Alinsky Method. Like the word “socialism”, they have heard the term before many times, they know that it’s bad, but they don’t know what it means.

Glenn Beck has become a national figure and become very rich by pushing the most inane version of history or current events imaginable. This has pushed the crazy of the last decade and the war on reality into overdrive. His viewers are not only convinced that Hitler was a liberal, they will point a finger at those who disagree with that obvious lie and tell them they have no concept of history. Glenn beck stands next to a chalk board and acts like a teacher to his audience, telling them they are getting the “real history” now. I’d like to sugar coat this a little, but if someone can be convinced that Hitler was a liberal, or that FDR caused the Great depression, they aren’t really well informed about anything to begin with. He shouts absolute nonsense, tying together art from the 30’s with Obama’s “Nazi agenda” and his audience carries those ridiculous notions with them into their places of work and into the voting booth. It is not by accident that Beck has attacked empathy and social justice. Coupled with his distortion of history and current events, it makes his followers perfect solders in the war on reality – and it keeps the crazy going full force.

It has been close to nine years of this current incarnation of delusional politics and there is no sign of slowing down. We need to call out the resistance to logic and correct those who parrot irrational talking points. Otherwise, we will never be able to have the much needed discussions about how to fix what is broken, and get us to the point of corrections - and reflect about what went wrong.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 12:45 AM
Response to Original message
1. National Rehab in civics is over due.....Lack of Funding and Interest/concern
KnR
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 12:57 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. Can't have civics and history
Edited on Thu Aug-05-10 12:57 AM by Chulanowa
Gotta have room in the budget for football, you know,
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 01:51 AM
Response to Reply #2
6. Distraction from EDUCATION = Poor Civics/Culture = IGNORANCE = MISERABLE Lifestyles
look all around our blue tent cities and urban dumpster dwellers
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 02:11 AM
Response to Reply #2
8. Football teaches that it is us v. them.
And, it justifies the social elevation of cheerleaders.

What could be more American?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 01:00 AM
Response to Original message
3. I think it has been longer than that.
It started when Newtie became Speaker of the House. He legitimized the incivility. Rush and people like Beck just ran with it and found a way to get rich from it.

I don't know what has to happen before we dial it back. Maybe something terrible has to occur before we are shocked back into better behavior.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 03:06 AM
Response to Reply #3
10. And they got rid of the OTA in '95 which helped in their war on science.
(Part of the war on reality.) That has caused a lot of damage, IMHO.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #10
19. Remember the ending to The Lord of the Flies?
The boys have degenerated into a pack of savages. They have killed, and they are hunting another one of their own, Ralph. Then the grownups arrive to rescue them and bring them back to civilization.

In the end, the savages are seen for what they really are: a pack of dirty, snot-nosed sunburned little boys.

The followers of Beck and Limbaugh, and the old, fat white people who show up for tea party events all remind me of those dirty little savages. How far away from reality are they going to take us? What are we going to do to stop them? We will have to do this for ourselves, because no naval officer is going to show up on the island to perform a miraculous rescue.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. Exactly!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 01:12 AM
Response to Original message
4. I can still remember many years ago
I was probably 18 or so and was visiting the local historical society. A woman who worked there had some local KKK memorabilia and she was trying to explain to me that the KKK was just misunderstood. They started out as a really great group of guys that would go out and find guys who had fathered a kid out of wedlock and refused to support it and "set them straight". She said it was only later that other local groups elsewhere got involved in "bad things". I remember thinking at the time that this lady was either phenomenally stupid or was just batshit crazy or both.

I'm convinced that there's simply a small segment of society that is predisposed to believe things that are impossible, irrational, and just plain crazy just so long as it supports their fucked up ideology. All they need is someone to tell them exactly what they want to hear.

Demagoguery is nothing new. Smarter people aren't that good at demagoguery because they usually can't act stupid that well. Beck pulls it off so well because he doesn't have to act.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 01:17 AM
Response to Original message
5. K & R
Amen.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 02:03 AM
Response to Original message
7. The Republicans will never let that happen.. hate and fear are the only tools they have left
to distract from the fact that they have no ideas and aren't interested in helping regular middle class citizens.. It's scapegoat, wedge issue, fear factor, hate monger.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 02:56 AM
Response to Original message
9. The war on reality

The current war on reality didn’t start immediately after the terrorist attacks of 2001.


I think it started before it, about halfway through Clinton's two terms.

Remember, he didn't have birthers, but he did have people (mostly the same people as the birthers now) who were absolutely convinced that he personally murdered 16 people and strangled Vince Foster with piano wire. If anything their stuff was a little more unhinged than the current crop; there were OKC truthers long before WTC truthers.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #9
14. I agree and thought of that, but during the 90's it was possible to talk to someone you
Edited on Thu Aug-05-10 10:31 AM by 20score
disagree with, and still walk away friends.

It's the fact that there are more people who have jumped the shark, and to a greater degree.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 03:07 AM
Response to Original message
11. "The enlightenment driven away, The habit-forming pain,
Mismanagement and grief:
We must suffer them all again."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 08:58 AM
Response to Original message
12. another :thumbs up: post, sir!
Amen.

K&R.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #12
16. Thanks, Duppers!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 09:40 AM
Response to Original message
13. It's been longer than that. Clinton was impeached by these unbaked brains.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 11:12 AM
Response to Original message
15. How true! Another winner 20score!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #15
18. Thyanks!
Cool of you to say.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
punkin87 Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 01:22 PM
Response to Original message
17. Anyone who believes Beck is crazy! k&r!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 05:48 PM
Response to Original message
21. By the way, this made me think! Thanks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. Damn glad to hear that.
Edited on Thu Aug-05-10 07:12 PM by 20score
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LaStrega Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 05:16 AM
Response to Original message
23. Too late to rec. Harrumph. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 11:18 AM
Response to Original message
24. It won't be long before we go back to the "witch burning" scenario...if
the RWingnuts, Christian Reconstructionists, Dominionists, Rabid fundies, and the corporate owners of the govt have their way.

Excellent post 20score.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 03:40 PM
Response to Original message
25. Great article!
Edited on Fri Aug-06-10 03:41 PM by Turborama
Thanks for sharing your insightful thoughts.

Shame it's too late to rec but it's good that it can still be kept alive.

:kick:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 04:01 PM
Response to Original message
26. As soon as I determine someone is Republican
the conversation ends. I don't have time for the crazy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 25th 2024, 10:11 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC