About 23 Christians arrested, 3 executed

[cory777]

Source: AsiaNews.it

Seoul (AsiaNews) – North Korea’s Stalinist regime has discovered some underground Christians in a house church in Pyongan Province. All 23 who met to celebrate a religious function were arrested. Three were tried and given the death penalty, which was swiftly executed, sources told AsiaNews. Confirmation about the incident also came from the North Korea Intellectual Solidarity, a group of North Korean exiles.

According to the sources, the arrests and executions were carried out in mid-May. “At that time, right after the disastrous currency reform, police discovered 23 Christians in Kuwal-dong, Pyungsung County, in Pyongan Province, who met at an underground church. After their arrest, they were interrogated at length. Eventually, the group’s “ringleaders” were sentenced to death and executed. The others were sent to Kwan-li-so (Penal labour colony) No 15 in Yodŏk.”

These North Koreans discovered underground Christianity when some of them travelled to mainland China for work.

“As the authorities fear the spread of religion, many area residents are rounded up and interrogated for days,” the sources said. However, “they cannot help it because the situation is so desperate that people are going back to religion. Such sentences are meant to scare people.”

Read more: http://www.asianews.it/news-en/About-23-Christians-arrested,-3-executed-19142.html

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[jobycom]

1. Horrifying. nt

[Divine Discontent]

2. good God, that's heinous...

prayers for their loved ones. Intolerance of ANY kind is abhorrent.

[Jefferson23]

3. Such a dark place, on many levels. RIP. n/t

[earcandle]

4. An unbelievable disrespect for human life out there in the world.

[Deep13]

5. Well that's horrid. This is not...

...how to deal with differences of opinion. But then in a totalitarian state there can be no differences of opinion. I say this as someone who genuinely hates the false hope and lies that are pedaled by missionaries.

[boppers]

6. Note to Kim Jong Il: Treating people horribly *encourages* religion.

Martyrdom has the same effect.

[bluestateguy]

7. A disgusting

nt

[dencol]

8. Maybe Christians will think twice about having gays executed now.

Oh, never mind.

[ReeShard]

9. You must have Christianity and Islam confused

This is a video interview of an American Muslim from their September 25Th Capital Hill prayer outing. He clearly states that if Sharia Law becomes the law of the USA, that homosexuals shall be put to death.

From From the "Sodomy and Lesbianism" chapter of Reliance of the Traveller
A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law

p17.3 The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said:

(1) "Kill the one who sodomizes and the one who lets it be done to him."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qxjocm5fCc

Iman tells gay Muslim he should be killed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmaiIGr56w

[Ikonoklast]

10. So, no Christians have called for gays to be executed. Right.

You are transparent.


Enjoy your stay.

[RainDog]

15. the religious right in the U.S. went to Ugandan to support anti-homosexual lies

and legislation and politicians who went on to advocate the execution of gay people in Uganda.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html

Last March, three American evangelical Christians, whose teachings about “curing” homosexuals have been widely discredited in the United States, arrived here in Uganda’s capital to give a series of talks.

...The three Americans who spoke at the conference — Scott Lively, a missionary who has written several books against homosexuality, including “7 Steps to Recruit-Proof Your Child”; Caleb Lee Brundidge, a self-described former gay man who leads “healing seminars”; and Don Schmierer, a board member of Exodus International, whose mission is “mobilizing the body of Christ to minister grace and truth to a world impacted by homosexuality” — are now trying to distance themselves from the bill.

...But the Ugandan organizers of the conference admit helping draft the bill, and Mr. Lively has acknowledged meeting with Ugandan lawmakers to discuss it. He even wrote on his blog in March that someone had likened their campaign to “a nuclear bomb against the gay agenda in Uganda.” Later, when confronted with criticism, Mr. Lively said he was very disappointed that the legislation was so harsh.

Human rights advocates in Uganda say the visit by the three Americans helped set in motion what could be a very dangerous cycle. Gay Ugandans already describe a world of beatings, blackmail, death threats like “Die Sodomite!” scrawled on their homes, constant harassment and even so-called correctional rape.

So, the truth is that, while the Korean actions are horrible, the actions and world view taken by American Evangelical Christians are also horrible and have led to laws promoting the execution of gays simply because evangelicals are so EVIL in their hateful beliefs that they are complicit in promoting crimes that are equal to Nazi genocide by the express targeting of a group of people based upon the sexual preference with which they are born (tho evangelicals deny this, just as they deny that the earth was not created in 7 days.)

[ProgressiveMajority]

28. And Cynthia McKinney supported Robert Mugabe

Yup, back around 2000 she spoke in favor of him. So the right is just as justified in holding her accountable for what happened afterward as you are in holding Evangelicals (who now denounce what Uganda is doing) responsible.

And, you're still talking about a specific group of religious people (Evangelicals). So ontop of it all you're not even refuting the post you're responding to, the poster prior to you just said "christians." You're acting like right wingers I know who feel a need to counter any positive or neutral statement about some Muslim with a mention of Osama Bin Laden, Genital Mutliation or some other practice which a different group of muslims engage in.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of religion, I just think that we should be consistent in our arguments as that will win over converts to atheism most effectively.

[keepCAblue]

23. Here's a word for you to google: "Dominionist"

Here are a couple more words for you to acquaint yourself with:

Christian Reconstructionism Movement
Rousas John Rushdoony
Howard Ahmanson Jr.
Chalcedon Foundation
AmWay / Richard DeVos
Elsa Prince
Erik Prince / Blackwater Mercenaries (Now, Xe)
Coral Ridge Ministries / James Kennedy
Focus on the Family / Family Research Council
Chick-Fil-A / Jesus Camp
Hobby Lobby
Wallbuilders
American College of Pediatricians

Epitomizing the Reconstructionist idea of Biblical "warfare" is the centrality of capital punishment under Biblical Law. Doctrinal leaders (notably Rushdoony, North, and Bahnsen) call for the death penalty for a wide range of crimes in addition to such contemporary capital crimes as rape, kidnapping, and murder. Death is also the punishment for apostasy (abandonment of the faith), heresy, blasphemy, witchcraft, astrology, adultery, "sodomy or homosexuality," incest, striking a parent, incorrigible juvenile delinquency, and, in the case of women, "unchastity before marriage." Women who have abortions should be publicly executed, "along with those who advised them to abort their children.

And by the way, did you know that Howard Ahmanson Jr. recently switched his party registration? That's right. This country's most notorious and influential Dominionist is now a ... DEMOCRAT.

[Arugula Latte]

26. Both religions foster extremist haters.

A pox on religion.

(and yeah, yeah, I know not all religious people are extremists, etc. etc.)

[dencol]

30. I haven't experienced anything but tolerance from Muslims.

Granted, there aren't as many around here and I am sure their violent books somehow advocate death, too. But from my experience, Christians are as violent, war-mongering, and hateful as any other religion. I have been assaulted, road-raged, and evicted by Christians for being gay. I actually avoid the Christians who insist on flaunting their lifestyle out of fear for my safety.

[The Straight Story]

14. you sound just like the people you are bitching about

The real problem is easier seen when you look at it like this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8894902

Keep fanning the flames though - I have yet to meet a christian that wants to execute gays, I am sure there a few out there who do.

I like in a an area of town where whites are a minority. When we were the majority we had much less crime, violence, and this area was thriving. If those minority folks had not moved in here it would all be better....

See, using that logic I can now say things like "blacks are bad for your hood".

You don't like christians so you look for the negative with them and then brainwash yourself into thinking they do nothing worthwhile. All the while the ones doing wonderful things for others rarely get press (unless you read small town papers). A billion+ Christians and a few are bad.

Keep propping up your own hate, people who hate gays do the same thing - but we call them bigots when they do.

[RainDog]

17. it's hardly "the same thing" when someone notes that the K street Family

a powerful religious group that Jeff Sharlet wrote about extensively in his book, The Family, and in the Harper's article, Jesus Plus One, are allied with the evangelicals that went to Uganda to teach hate to the politicians there, to work to influence laws and, as my link noted above, supported the political faction that called for the execution of gays.

It's possible to look at Korea's actions and see that they are wrong on the face of it while also noting that evangelical Christians are a hate group.

To compare someone who notes the reality of the attempts by the American religious right to promote hatred and misunderstanding for homosexuals around the world with those same bigots is intellectually vapid.

[Bluenorthwest]

21. Well said

[dencol]

29. Being that I am gay.

I have encountered a few who do think gays should be executed. And as others have mentioned, look what Christians are doing in Uganda. Calling out the violence associated with Christianity or any religion is simply bringing truth to light.

[Renew Deal]

16. You prove that crazies on all sides can find something to latch onto

with this story.

[Name removed]

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[krabigirl]

12. :( horrible

[Stevenmarc]

13. I'd chip in to send the Fred Phelps crew on a mission to North Korea

[keepCAblue]

19. +1

And I can think of a boatload of others to join Phelps...

[Nightshade01]

18. I Find It Interesting....

That so many posters took the time to take what they consider "personal shots" at me, (like I care) but not a SINGLE one that did so had a counter-argument to post.
:donut:
Is it because................maybe..........you don't have one?

[Renew Deal]

20. Your argument is a personal shot.

It's not an argument. It's the stuff you picked up at stormfront which you are too much of a p**** to say in front of other people.

[Bluenorthwest]

22. I just re-read the thread and I do not see one 'personal shot'

at the OP. The OP is a news story, not an opinion of yours. I am glad you posted this story, it is a heinous truth that should be known. However, you made no 'argument' of any kind in your OP, so there is no argument to counter. It is a report of events. It seems that most on the thread accept that the story is true, and find it to be disturbing. The only possible 'counter argument' to a news report would be to say it is not true. No one said that at all.
So what 'argument' do you claim to have made? What personal shots do you claim were taken?

[Bluenorthwest]

24. Looks like you are the one at a loss for a response.

Can not answer direct questions. Enjoy!

[sixmile]

25. 'Sources' say...

My BS sense is tingling on this one.

[Joanne98]

27. They were probably Moonies