What drug is likeliest to make a person say Obama is like Bush?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

I would vote for alcohol.

Weed would make you say Obama is like the black Vulcan on Star Trek: Voyager.

Acid would make you say Obama actually is Bush.

Crack would make you ask whether Obama or Bush knew where to get more crack. (Bush probably would, BTW.)

______

(In reference to the WH press secretary saying that people who compare Obama to Bush need drug testing.)

[provis99]

1. so we're alcoholics, too? Is that you,Gibbs?

[no limit]

3. Well, atleast we're not crack heads. Now get out there and vote democrat

[geek tragedy]

10. If you think Obama=Bush, that's the charitable explanation. nt

[sandnsea]

25. + a whole whole bunch n/t

[BrklynLiberal]

2. Oxycontin?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

8. No, that seems to make a person compare Obama to Hitler

[MajorChode]

125. No, that would be the residual effects of many years of alcohol abuse

[MajorChode]

124. That makes you think Obama = Karl Marx

[Demeter]

4. Truth Serum

or if you are so inclined "veritaserum"

[Bluebear]

9. ---

:spray:

[hiphopnation]

71. +1

[Deep13]

5. The red pill.

[geek tragedy]

21. Sorry, but you're not Neo with profound insight.

Just someone who hates the current President.

[Name removed]

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[geek tragedy]

29. Since you think Obama=Bush, I can't imagine that you

don't hate him.

Anyhow, since you think he's just like Bush, there's no sense in him listening to you.

[Name removed]

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[Deep13]

53. I notice you have not said I am wrong.

Again, you are resorting to counter-accusations and ad hominem attacks in an effort to change the subject.

I vote D. and there is a "D" next to my name in the voter registry. Also, I financially support election campaigns of officials who I think do a good job. That makes me a Democrat regardless of what I think about the POTUS. The reason I am a Democrat is because there is no socialist party and the D's represent slightly less scarey collection of interests than the Rs do.

[geek tragedy]

74. You vote for people who support an agenda identical

to George W Bush's?

[Deep13]

78. I accept your concession. nt

[geek tragedy]

80. No, Obama is extremely different than Bush.

Anyone who believes he is just like Bush should burn their Democratic registration card.

Such people do not belong in the Democratic party any more than the Dixiecrats.

[TheKentuckian]

120. Neo had no special insight other than knowing something wasn't right

Nor was he the first by any stretch the only one to take the plunge and look beyond the world that is an illusion.

I think you miss the point.

[geek tragedy]

132. There is no point to anything uttered by the Obama=Bush crowd. nt

[Lance_Boyle]

6. To employ a Homerism, I think it's rage-ahol. n/t

[geek tragedy]

7. It would have to be massive quantities of alcohol. nt

[Scurrilous]

11. Sherman Helmsley. n/t

[slampoet]

12. Carrots, Eyeglasses, and Dependable newspapers

[Ignis]

59. Hmm, carrots are orange, which is suspiciously close to RED!

I think we all know where this is headed....

[geek tragedy]

13. Hilarious that there are people defending Obama=Bush equations

on a purportedly Democratic website.

Wait, no, that's really sad. Some people should sue whoever educated them.

[tridim]

14. And they're fucking proud of it.

It makes no sense at all, unless..

[geek tragedy]

18. I got attacked for saying that the Obama critics here think he's no different than Bush.

Proof is in the pudding.

No one with any degree of responsibility thinks that DU criticism of Obama should influence policy.

[Dr.Phool]

41. I think you get attacked for being boring, incomprehensive, and repetitive.

Just keep chattering.

[geek tragedy]

44. Do you disagree that it's outrageously

foolish to say that Obama is just like Bush?

[spoony]

99. I'm pretty sure it's a chatbot. nt

[geek tragedy]

102. Nope, just an actual living, breathing Democrat offended by

things like Birtherism and Obama=Bushism.

[spoony]

103. ...and the algorithm seems to be stuck in a loop...

[geek tragedy]

104. Coming from the sophisticated logic behind the "Obama=Bush"

people, that's kind of funny.

Sorry that the WH disrespected you. They just have no respect for their enemies these days.

[hiphopnation]

73. Pride is not the emotion most progressives feel

when examining the similarities between the two.
No, it's the exact opposite of pride.

[MineralMan]

17. +10

This whole meme is bullshit. That's why the statement that Obama = Bush is banned here.

Anyone who says such a thing is simply not paying attention at all. Or worse.

[geek tragedy]

19. There needs to be a purge of the Obama=Bush people.

They simply do not belong here.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

23. They poison wells

[geek tragedy]

28. There needs to be intelligent criticism from supporters who will have his

back if/when he does good things.

People who think Bush=Obama by definition will never be on his side and will only seek to drag him down.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

34. Equation isn't the same as comparison

I do not think Obama is much like Bush at all, personally.

But saying he is *like* Bush in some way isn't quite the same thing.

It depends on your perspective... on the distance from the thing.

Obama is much likelier to help ordinary people than Bush was.

But Obama will, when push comes to shove, come down on the side of the rich. So did Clinton and Carter and everyone else.

Nobody gets elected here who is not generally a supporter of the American status quo and the American status quo is very rich-friendly.

The difference between Bush and Obama/Bill Clinton on tax policy regarding the rich is what... 4% different?

From one perspective 4% is a lot. From another perspective it's a minimal change.

And so on.

[geek tragedy]

42. $700 Billion seems more than minimal.

The problem is that a national wealth tax is not constitutional.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

49. $700B over ten years

The point is that 4% isn't 40%.

We could raise income tax rate on income over $1M by 40%. If we did it probably wouldn't be the highest such rate in the world.

But 40% is not on the table.

I am not saying we should do 40% but it isn't even discussed.

We fight these wars within 4%, 5% back and forth Reagan, Clinton, Bush, Obama... all wrestling over a fairly small percentage of wealth.

So some see that as no change.

Others see it as a big change.

Both are right in their way.

Either way, nobody should say Obama is the same as Bush in general. On a particular issue one can talk about such comparisons but if Obama is the same as Bush then Obama would be tied for worst President ever.

And that is obviously not right.

[geek tragedy]

50. In the midst of this recession and with this Congress,

no sizeable tax increase is going to get through.

The problem isn't insufficient income taxation, it's the accumulation of wealth that the federal government can't touch except via the estate tax.

[LooseWilly]

127. You don't see a connection between insufficient income taxation

and the accumulation of wealth?

And, while we're at it, isn't all that accumulated wealth to which you allude proof that reduced taxation levels on income do not stimulate, in and of themselves, investment... but rather reduced levels of income taxation lead to accumulation of the proceeds of said income?

Obviously, no sizeable tax increase will get through... especially if no one tries to get it through. The question to ask oneself is: Is it good policy that no sizeable tax increases get through? And then- Are you really satisfied with policy that you don't think is beneficial? (Are you willing to just settle?)— Or, if you think it is good policy, despite the apparent evidence of the aforemention "accumulation", what is the benefit of it?

[geek tragedy]

129. People who make $250K a year are affluent, but not wealthy.

They are the servants of the wealthy.

[LooseWilly]

138. You are WRONG. People who make $250K a year ARE WEALTHY.

Unless... you're Charlie Gibson.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200801060004

During the ABC News-Facebook debate, moderator Charlie Gibson suggested that the Democratic presidential candidates' proposals to roll back or let some of President Bush's tax cuts expire would affect middle-class families, adding, "If you take a family of two professors here at St. Anselm, they're going to be in the $200,000 category that you're talking about lifting the taxes on." According to the U.S. Census, however, the median income for a U.S. household is $48,451, and the mean household income is $65,527; and only 3.4 percent of U.S. households have an income of $200,000 or more.

Obama is currently talking about not renewing the bush tax cuts for the top 2 percent... which I will arbitrarily designate as "rich". That leaves 1.4 percent of the population (about 4.2 million out of 300 million) between $200K and "rich". The notion that those just shy of "rich" are not even "wealthy" is absurd.

And, by the way, there are no servants making $250K a year. If you make $250K a year you are, at worst, a contractor... and if you can't set aside a nice pile of "fuck you money", for when the boss needs to be told to go fuck himself (let's face it, odds are the one paying you $250K a year or more is probably a "he")... then you don't deserve to be making $250K a year in the first fucking place.

:)

[MineralMan]

30. Well, I'm not about purges. I'm perfectly capable of calling

out such statements in the thread in which they appear. A guy can also alert on them, and they'll be removed.

[SidDithers]

46. Yup...

I've thought so for a long while.

Sid

[spoony]

65. Or, YOU could go away.

Since people who disagree with you seem to bring out your authoritarian rage.

[geek tragedy]

75. It's against DU rules to say "Obama=Bush."

It's considered per se site disruption and runs counter to the site's principles.

If you really believe that Obama is as bad as Bush, you are not a Democrat and do not belong on a Democratic website.

There can be no sense of community while LeftFreepers troll this place with their blind hatred.

[spoony]

85. It's also against the rules to call people freepers and trolls.

Or to say who is and is not a Democrat. Or, for that matter, to lecture people about the rules.

[geek tragedy]

86. People who think Obama is the same as Bush are infiltrator trolls.

Or delusional idiots.

Blanket statement.

If you don't think Obama is the worst president ever, it doesn't apply to you.

[spoony]

89. Yeah, rules are for OTHER people. Little people. Not like you and Gibby. nt

[geek tragedy]

Birthers get called names all the time.

Why should "Obama=Bushers" be treated any differently?

[robertpaulsen]

140. PURGE?! DID SOMEBODY SAY PURGE?!

Proof once again that, now that OPERATIONMINDCRIME has sadly left the confines of this website, you are without a doubt the greatest poster on Democratic Underground!


:applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:

And now I shall place you on ignore because I simply cannot stand the brightness of your brilliance!

[Dr.Phool]

39. Isn't recess over yet?

Go back to class.

[geek tragedy]

51. Do you think Obama is as bad as Bush?

What do you think of people who say he is?

[krabigirl]

133. No, just policies. Obama personally is vastly more intelligent than Bush etc.

[Uben]

15. If one thinks Obama is like Bush........

.....it's probably more like weed, cuz they have forgotten what it was like under Bush/Cheney. I understand people's frustration, but when you have 50% of congress fighting against you, it's hard to get things done. And, if you think Obama has not made great strides since he has been in office, given the circumstances, I'd say you are.....well, uninformed.

[Catherina]

16. Methadone for the bad koolaid n/t

[HopeHoops]

20. Really bad acid and half a tin of hash brownies with a gallon of cheap wine.

That might do it, if you could still talk.

[tridim]

22. Horse tranquilizers..

Or more specifically magic pony tranquilizers.

[Taitertots]

24. What drugs do you have to take to think they are different?

The legal ones you get at your doctor's office.

[geek tragedy]

26. You just need to breathe oxygen.

Anyone who thinks Bush=Obama is borderline psychotic.

[BzaDem]

56. +1.

[msanthrope]

66. Or just borderline....n/t

[GreenArrow]

31. Sodium Pentathol

ought to do the trick.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

32. meth.

Anybody who says Obama is like Bush is completely fucked in the head.

[WinkyDink]

35. One you can get more cheaply from Canada?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

38. commie

[WinkyDink]

48. Blame Canada!

[Ignis]

60. !

:spray:

:thumbsup:

[asdjrocky]

36. Drugs like cannabis or peyote.

Both lead to truth telling.

[Name removed]

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[Radical Activist]

40. Mescaline

I can't speak from experience but here's wikipedia:

"Like LSD, mescaline induces distortions of form and kaleidoscopic experiences but which manifest more clearly with eyes closed and under low lighting conditions; however, all of these visual descriptions are purely subjective."

Seeing imagined distortions. Purely subjective. Works better with eyes closed. That sounds right.

But you should really ask a professional like Dave Sirota, Ted Rall, or Cenk.

[LostinVA]

43. Ciao Bella Malted Milk Gelato

[pepperbear]

45. that one you're on every time they play "Incense and Peppermints" n/t

[northernlights]

47. sodium pentathol nt

[izzybeans]

54. Mixing Cable New$ and Booze with Abstinence

from source checking. "OMG did you here what bobblehead X said? No?... well...you should have. The bobblehead knows...the bobblehead knows! Bush and Obama are the same. They said it right there on the TV and then some random doosh blogged about it!"

"Yeah how dare our politicians get frustrated by our f(r)eedom to ignore facts, figures, and nuance!"

One thing I do know, is that no one on our side is winning any points for accuracy (Obama admin. included).

[era veteran]

55. PCP & Quaaludes with a few shots of bourbon and some

coke to keep you going.

[JVS]

57. Withdrawal from the drug called Hope!

[Erose999]

58. I don't know if I've been drinking but I am seeing double

If I focus really hard, it all just blends onto one image.

[geek tragedy]

76. That's your personal problem. Seek help. nt

[Barack2theFuture]

61. Air.

[ismnotwasm]

62. Heroin

Along with the occasional speed ball, just to spice things up
After a while, everything is all the same, and you think you've cornered the market on cynicism. In fact, most hard core users I know that like to to still stretch 'intellectual' brain cells left HAVE cornered the market on cynicism. And you can't out-hubris an intellectual junkie, at least I can't.

Now that I think about it 'Heroin' by Velvet Underground is still one of my favorite songs



Alcohol people would get into fights and shit-- "Fucking Obama is just like Fucking Bush! No he fucking isn't you fucking fuck, fuck YOU"

and so on.

[Safetykitten]

63. Xanax with a smidge of Diet Pepsi.

[spoony]

64. Newsprint. nt

[geek tragedy]

77. You realize that your help marginalize yourselves when you

insist on your "Obama=Bush" fantasies?

Which, btw, are against site rules--you are clearly on the wrong website.

Unless this has become "Freepertrollunderground.com"

[spoony]

81. Lol, you quote rules and call me both a freeper and a troll.

That is the sort of humour you cannot find in just ANY clump of idiots. No, you lot are special.

[geek tragedy]

90. True, the idiots who think that Obama is the worst president

ever (tied with Bush) outnumber me here by about 200:1.

[spoony]

92. Well, after you get done imagining anyone said that

, that Obama is the worst President ever, why don't you start another poll so you can get everyone in one place and break all KINDS of rules on them. Shit why not threaten to kill a few? Pitt was forgiven, I'm sure you would be, too.

[geek tragedy]

93. If you think Obama is just like Bush, that means he's tied for worst President ever.

Seriously, Bush was public enemy #1 around here. If you really think Obama is that bad, then you really shouldn't vote for Democrats ever again, because most Democrats support Obama's policy agenda.

[spoony]

97. Since you just assume everything, I needn't bother answering anymore

It's not like anything I could say would make it past the wall of noise in front of you. But, by all means, keep up that brave crusade against anyone who has ever noticed similarities in policy. Of course, that would have to include Obama himself since he's consciously continued a number of Bush's failures, but whatever.

[geek tragedy]

101. They have two eyes and walk upright.

Just because there are similarities does not mean they are the same.

It's the "Obama is the same as Bush" people who need to go, not those who point out when specific policies are bad.

[Bluenorthwest]

67. Apparently the same drug that makes a person think

universal health care is a right, or that we can do as well as Canada in anything. He spoke out against Peace activists, and Health Care advocates, not just Bush Obama equaters.

[EFerrari]

70. Oh, those crazy people that want peace and health care.

What will they dream up next. lol

[EFerrari]

68. The question is, what drug makes Gibbs sound like Bill O'Reilly?

[Autumn]

136. Maybe falafel?

fuck I don't know.

[tuckessee]

69. Truth serum. n/t

[hiphopnation]

72. Freepers are loving this thread....

*sigh*

meanwhile...
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/dont-waste-your-time-arguing-by.html

[Octafish]

84. They're the ones who need to be tested.

Without univesal health care, psychiatrists aren't standing by. Which, no matter what part of the "spectrum" you're at, is too bad for the country.

[earth mom]

79. Screw you if you think I drink or take drugs!

:grr:

[geek tragedy]

82. If you think Bush=Obama, it's per se proof you do. nt

[earth mom]

88. You're wrong as hell dude-but go on drinking YOUR kool aid. nt

[geek tragedy]

91. I hope people who say that are on drugs.

At least people can go off drugs.

People who honestly believe that Obama is every bit as bad as Bush are hopeless and have nothing to contribute.

[earth mom]

94. People who don't think for themselves & only follow orders are hopeless and clueless. nt

[geek tragedy]

95. "Obama=Bush" isn't thinking,

It's excreting.

[earth mom]

106. No, the shit comes from people who march in lock step

and expect everyone else to do the same.

It's called "critical thinking" for a reason. You might want to look up the meaning since you obviously don't understand the concept.

[spoony]

98. That one thinks that relentless posting will force us to assimilate or leave. nt

[earth mom]

107. Look how many times he's posted in this thread. He can't stand it that people refuse to agree

with him! :crazy:

[geek tragedy]

108. As opposed to your strategy of expressing hatred 24/7

of a sitting Democratic president.

Honestly, I'm a very pleasant person when I'm not surrounded by haters.

[spoony]

110. Post it. Post where I "hate" the "sitting Democratic president". Do it.

Since I do it "24/7" it should be pretty easy.

[geek tragedy]

111. Equating him to George W Bush is hating. nt

[spoony]

112. So, you can't. All right then. And stop with the "equating" strawman.

Gibbs didn't say that and neither did I, so it's doubly off topic in this thread.

[geek tragedy]

114. You said 'newsprint' would cause people to conclude that he was like Bush

and that Obama is merely offering "Bush's policies wrapped up in a new label."

[spoony]

116. Yeah. Like. Not equal to, as you've been pushing this whole thread.

There are policy similarities and holdovers. So what? For most of this thread you've been using the equal sign and language that isn't an accurate portrait of what I or most critics believe. Not that you give a shit about being accurate.

[geek tragedy]

117. So, saying Obama is like Hitler would be inoffensive and a respectable position to take? nt

[spoony]

119. You're probably the least honest debater on this site. And that's saying a lot.

Tip for the future: argue with what people say. Not what you wish/hallucinate they said. This Hitler thing is a buffoonish attempt to detract from your failure to even comprehend, let alone refute, what I've said. If you're a chatbot, your programming sucks.

[geek tragedy]

126. Yes, you said he's like Bush and that he offers the same policies.

Heaven Forbid someone accuse you of equating the two or disliking the guy.

[geek tragedy]

113. Which is why you said "newsprint" would cause people

to say that Obama is like Bush and that Obama is merely offering "Bush's policies wrapped up in a new label."

[krabigirl]

134. lmao

[suzie]

83. What drug makes them say Nixon is left of Obama?

[geek tragedy]

87. Haterade. nt

[Pisces]

96. a stupid pill

[LynneSin]

100. Let's be honest - that exact comment has been posted plenty of times here at DU

just saying

[Gormy Cuss]

123. Link?

[philly_bob]

105. Welcome humor on a very upsetting day. (nt)

[JonLP24]

109. None

[havocmom]

115. caffine

the more awake one is, the more one notices lack of any real change

[AnArmyVeteran]

118. A cocktail of acid, oxycontin, crack cocaine & rubbing alcohol.

Actually, since Obama is still carrying the same torches Bush carried, it wouldn't take any drugs at all. Just a few moments of reality.

Obama could have been a hero by now, but instead he decided to stab his supporters in their backs. At least with Bush we expected it. So it's more painful to feel Obama's hand on the knife as it's being plunged into our dreams, hopes and desires to make our country better. Just about everything he promised is laying in a huge pool of blood next to the quickly decaying carcass that was once America.

Thanks President Obama...
Or should I say, "ObBuAsMhA"

[Gormy Cuss]

121. Flunitrazepam

It would let someone use a person as a ventriloquist's dummy.

[MilesColtrane]

122. Patchouli oil bong hits?

:shrug:

[elehhhhna]

128. truth serum?

lol

[KamaAina]

130. Ether

"There is nothing more helpless and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge." -Doktor Hunter S. Thompson

[undeterred]

131. Weed.

[krabigirl]

135. idk, maybe no drugs?

[cadmium]

137. Meth

[4_TN_TITANS]

139. Definitely Meth....

and you would organize a militia compound to defy all things government.

[ozone_man]

141. Tweedle dee or tweedle dum.

I forget whether it's the red pill or the blue pill, or does it really matter?

Sanders' relations with Democrats have a long and checkered history. During his nine years as mayor of Burlington in the 1980s, he often argued that the two major parties were little different from one another, sometimes calling them "tweedle-dum and tweedle-dee."