"In a very Christian way, he can go to hell." --Jimmy Carter

[rocktivity]

as quoted by Randi Rhodes just now. She also had a special message to the students at Liberty University--"You're fee to go--RUN!"

So he died on the Liberty University Campus, eh? Maybe the link of the university to the Gone-zalez investigation put too much stress on his heart.


:headbang:
rocknation

[Arugula Latte]

1. YES!!!!!

Good for you, Jimmy!!!! :toast:

[wtmusic]

2. That doesn't sound like Jimmy

Jimmy is not that mean-spirited.

[waiting for hope]

3. No, it doesn't

sound like him. I hope it wasn't.

[loyalkydem]

5. woah

That sounds so out of character for him.

[lynnertic]

9. out of character for Mr. Carter but not Ms. Rhodes

which is why I don't listen to her. too negative.

[spoony]

21. Yep, that's what's really funny

about so many people and their reaction to Falwell's death. "Oh that man was so full of hate, damn him to eternal torture that piece of shit worthless motherfuc...."

And they're so wrapped up in it, they will NEVER get the irony.

[Kurovski]

49. Oh, now that IS funny. We're too fucking slow

to figure out the difference between a powerful man with major media platforms making millions off of organized, promoted hate of entire groups of people and politicizing it, and our own anger over how that personally affected us and the lives and deaths of people we knew.

So everything is everything, eh?

I'm just too FUCKING DENSE to get the IRONY so fully in your sights. I'm just too wrapped up in my own life to see Falwell did nothing to affect it in in any way whatsoever. I'm so really very fucking funny.

[lynnertic]

58. you have a potty mouth. go away.

[Kurovski]

65. Grow the hell up.

[susanna]

64. I don't think he said that.

In my obviously feeble mind, Hate is Hate - period. Spin it how you want, but it's still hate. IMHO.

Enjoy your celebration.

[Kurovski]

66. It ain't.

Start thinking and you can strengten the muscle betwixt them ears.

[susanna]

74. It's strong.

My earlier post was sarcastic. Sorry for not using the smilie to make things clear.

On edit: clarity

[susanna]

62. Spoony, you got that straight.

Thanks for the shining beacon in truth of all I've read so far...

[Kurovski]

70. An invitation to read a post about

how difficult it is for some of us to not vent. I hope you'll consider it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x896159

[susanna]

76. I read it. No one ever said life was easy.

I have many gay friends, who doubtless feel as you do. I love them and respect their struggle, but it is just that - a struggle. Anyone downtrodden goes through it. That is the nature of the beast. I support them any way I can.

Is it right? Was Falwell right for being a bigot? No to both. It doesn't change the bottom line. Hate is hate, IMHO. That's just the way I see it. As a woman, I've had lots of idiots tell me I don't know jack because I don't have male genitalia. I don't hate them for it. I learn from it and work around it and even in spite of it.

But I'm not part of Falwell's hated group du jour, so my opinion means nothing. Fine. Go on about your business. I stand by my opinion.

On edit: clarity

[Kurovski]

77. I don't really know for sure what your opinion is.

Upthread you claimed you were being sarcastic.

Carry on without me.

[susanna]

78. Fine. n/t

[Blashyrkh]

63. Indeed. Half the posts are making me giggle or making me insanely frustrated

[Kurovski]

67. Which ones make you giggle?

The ones that relate anger over the way Falwell helped to suppress AIDS research by a decade? The resultant deaths in the thousands? The gay-beatings he inspired? Do you remember the old "kill a queer for Christ" bumper sticker? I sure as fuck do.

Are those the ones that got 'ya all giggley-pussed? Please, please fucking tell me what makes you laugh and gets 'ya all frustrated. We really want to know.

Don't keep me waiting.

[Blashyrkh]

80. Did you read the above post I replied to?

Hating someone for being a hatemonger? I find that amusing. Don't take it so personally.

[Kurovski]

81. Yes I did read it.

Life is hard, amusement is important.

Everything is everything.

[TankLV]

37. Yes - it IS true - and is JUSTIFIALY perfect and to the "t".

Jimmy was a TRUE Christian - Fatwell was not.

It is right and proper for a true Christian to call such scumbags out on their LIES and HYPOCRICY.

Carter did just that.

Truth sucks.

Truth doesn't have to be "polite" like so many disgusting individuals here...

Where evil is concerned, fartwell deserves all the condemnation he can get...

[waiting for hope]

40. If it is true....I just have never heard

Carter speak in such a manner - even when he came out with Our Endangered Values: America's Moral Crisis and was doing all the talk show circuits, he never once denounced any particular "Christian" - in fact, he represented himself like a Christian should.

It just seemed out of character - I'm not the only one to think that.

[Left Hook]

54. ok nevermind, found it.

[xchrom]

4. i'm sorry -- but that is not mean spirited. n/t

[Perky]

31. It;s completely mean spirited

if it was indeed said.

[xchrom]

34. i'm sorry dude -- we'll have to disagree on this one.

[TankLV]

38. It was NOT "mean spirited" - it simply "is". The TRUTH.

The TRUTH just "is"...

[The Backlash Cometh]

44. It's not mean at all. It's the truth. Christians believe in heaven and hell,

and if you do the kinds of things that Falwell did, and if you truly believe, as a Christian, that what he did was unChristianlike, and if God agrees with you, God has the right to send him to hell to suffer for his sins against humanity, and against His teachings.

[wtmusic]

61. Context is the key

I don't believe Jimmy would ever say that on hearing of Falwell's death.

He did have enough pluck to come back with something like that when his policies were attacked by an idiot like Falwell, and that is undoubtedly the case here.

[Catherine Vincent]

6. It's true.

CNN has been playing the recording every five minutes. I can't see Carter saying something like that either but Falwell must have really ticked him off.

[malaise]

8. I already love Jimmy Carter

if he said...well I now adore him.

[StarryNite]

20. Me too!

[FiveGoodMen]

46. Me three!

[glitch]

45. And me. So sick of pussyfooting around these pyschopaths.

Tell it Brother Jimmy!

Edit: turns out he didn't say it today and the whore press regurged it. Too bad!

[54anickel]

14. Any context with it, or just the line?...n/t

[Catherine Vincent]

22. CNN didn't include the date when he said it.

I suspect it was some years ago.

[54anickel]

32. I found many of the links mentioned here when I went digging, but none

have context. I found one (lost it now) that said it was in an interview with Playboy magazine.

[Monk06]

55. That Playboy interview was November 1976. That was the

occasion of his lust in my heart comment.

The Falwell can go straight to hell comment
does not cite the occasion or source of the
remark other than the prefatory, "As former
President Carter once remarked"

I'm sure President Carter will be commenting
shortly on this attempt to make it seem like
he made the remark recently and is pissing
on Falwell's grave.

Personally, I can't wait for him to wade in.

[54anickel]

79. I remember that one. I got it from this site, but I think they messed up

the sources, they don't give any for the "lust in my heart" which is listed right above the "go to hell" (and attributed to Playboy).
It could be from the 80's when Falwell strongly backed Reagan and ripped on Carter.

[intheflow]

47. It's all a matter of context.

I agree that Carter wouldn't say anything like, "That fucker Falwell! In a very 'Christian' way he can go to hell!" But you know, take anything out of context and it can be twisted into something ugly. But I have no trouble believing he may have said something like, "I worry for Falwell's soul. In a very Christian way, he can go to hell." Then that wouldn't be mean-spirited, it would actually be quite loving.

[JerseygirlCT]

52. Was it in response to Falwell's death, or an earlier quote? nt

[Zenlitened]

10. Yeah, really. That doesn't sound like Carter at all.

If Jimmy Carter was the face of Christianity in America today, rather than Falwell/Robertson/etc., what a much better nation we'd be.

[coalition_unwilling]

28. If Martin Luther King, Jr. were the face of Christianity in America today.

what a better nation we'd be.

[Clark2008]

57. Well... uh... yes and no.

His message was the right one, but his cheating on his wife bothered me a great deal, particularly because of the hypocricy of it.

[jollyreaper2112]

7. anybody got audio of that?

Seems out of character for him but appropriate.

[bertha katzenengel]

11. I won't believe it unless I see video or hear it with my own ears.

I don't believe it. Somebody run it for me.

[Rosemary2205]

50. Ya me too. No way, no how. I'll be totally stunned if this is true. nt

[shain from kane]

12. Is that an earlier comment from another time and place? n/t

[ScreamingMeemie]

15. I'm trying to find it.

:hi:

[hippiechick]

13. ... was it taken out of context?

:shrug: I can't see Pres. Carter being that ... gruff. :shrug:

[wtmusic]

26. Possibly in response to one of Falwell's many odious comments

Jimmy wouldn't make a comment like that on his passing.

[youngdem]

16. YeeeeHAW ....Good riddance to that fat piece of shit

He died 73 years too late. He was one of the best pro-choice arguments I ever saw.

What a world class piece of shit....Hope he is burning in hell already.

I hope the rest of his cabal join him soon.

AWESOME news. This guy was the figurehead of the American Taliban.

And I hope they figure out that embryonic stem cells could have saved him somehow.

[Old and In the Way]

17. Falwell may a career on condemning people to hell.

Why should anyone be surprised that this is where many hope he ends up?

[spoony]

23. It's surprising, or maybe not so much, because

presumably people didn't like his constant condemning people to hell. So, somehow, they figure the proper reaction to his death is..........to condemn him to hell.

Some people are closer to him than they'd like to think.

[TankLV]

39. Hardly - saying you hate a killer is not being the same as a killer.

You just don't understand - at all...

[spoony]

72. Inapt analogy

Falwell wasn't a criminal you were rooting for to go to jail. He was a guy who thought people should go to hell, and you're responding in kind. The corollary to your analogy would be if you killed the killer.

[gravity]

18. That must have been from an earlier time

I can't imagine Carter saying that now

[Blackhatjack]

19. So out of character with Carter's demeanor, I doubt he said it.

[ScreamingMeemie]

24. ****I found a link to the quote from some time ago, but not dated****

http://members.dca.net/leipold/ap_po.html

In a very Christian way, as far as I'm concerned, he can go to hell.
Jimmy Carter, on the Rev. Jerry Falwell

[shain from kane]

27. Located between a quote by Adlai Stevenson and George Orwell.

[waiting for hope]

33. Here's a good one:

"We're poor people."
Newt Gingrich, describing his wife and himself

:rofl:

[Greeby]

25. I heard the audio played shortly after the announcement on CNN

They say it's from 1986

[ScreamingMeemie]

29. Here is another link*****

LBN DID YOU KNOW? ***Did you know that there has been a 9% decline in audience for the December 15 finale of NBC's The
Apprentice 4 when compared to its third-season closer? ***Did you know that Jimmy Carter became a born-again Christian
in 1966, and did missionary work in the Northeast? He even did some as president; in 1979, he met with the president of
South Korea, who was a Buddhist, and tried to convert him to Christianity. ***Did you know that Jimmy Carter did not
approve of all Christians? "In a very Christian way," he said, concerning the Rev. Jerry Falwell, "as far as I'm
concerned, he can go to hell." ***Did you know that in 1981 Chuck Berry ran into Keith Richards at a New York City
nightspot? Berry didn't recognize the Rolling Stone and punched him. In 1983, Berry dropped a lit match down Richards'
shirt at the Los Angeles International Airport. According to Richards, "Every time him and me got in contact, whether
it's international or not, I end up wounded." ***Did you know that one morning David Bowie's then wife, Mary Angela
Barnett, went up to the bedroom and found her husband naked in bed with Mick Jagger, "Do you want some coffee?" she
asked Bowie and his Rolling Stone?

http://maillists.uci.edu/mailman/public/sgtw/2006-May/000466.html

[Monk06]

56. "They say it's from 1986" Only 26 years after Carter said it. Now that's some breaking news !!

[Perky]

30. I seriously doubt Jimmy Carter said anything of the sort.

Maybe a long time ago.....but not this morning.....no way


If Rhodes got it wrong an a apology is in order.

If it was made up. she ought to be muzzled.


Anyone have a link?

[Catherine Vincent]

35. No link yet.

But CNN played the audio a few times already. I guess that figures.

[ScreamingMeemie]

41. See above, there were two links when you posted this.

:hi:

[MagickMuffin]

36. If Pres. Carter said it then good for him.....

Hey Rocknation, you have the wrong university. Pat Robertson's Regent University is the one churning out unqualified law grads who infiltrated the DOJ...:hi:

So he died on the Liberty University Campus, eh? Maybe the link of the university to the Gone-zalez investigation put too much stress on his heart.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

42. That sounds like the Jimmy Carter I know.

Not some holier-than-thou stick in the mud.

[Wednesdays]

43. They're playing old tapes as though Jimmy said it today

SOP for the whore press. Wonder if they'll play some of the vile things Falwell has said over his career? No? Gee, I can't imagine why! :puke:

[blogslut]

48. Bingo

Play an old quote out of context. Yay media. More gotcha journalism from the folks that bring you all the news that's fit to make them rich.

It's from the 1980's and I'll bet you dollars to donuts Jimmy said it in response to some pious nastiness from the departed reverend. Carter was a minister himself and I can just bet old Jerry questioned his faith or something similarly ugly.

I gotta tell ya, my kid just told me Falwell died about an hour ago. I'm not proud of what I said in response but I'm sure not sad.

Falwell incensed me greatly in the 80's. He led the anti-gay hate parade back them. He pissed me off so much I sent him a letter containing my favorite Bible quote, the one I think sums up all con men like him:

"Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?"

Rest in peace, Jerry and may all those who you damned to hell rest beside you.

[rateyes]

51. Long time ago, but compared to the things Falwell

has said about Carter, this is no big deal.

[pitohui]

53. two thumbs up to president carter if he really said this

it would be a better world if falwell had never lived and if jimmy was our president today!

[sandyd921]

59. Good for Carter

I have even more respect for him now --- as a truthteller!

:yourock:

[kath]

60. Carter apparently did say it, but MORE THAN 10 YEARS AGO.

This site gives the quote, and says it was from p. 94 of Ralph Reed's book "Active Faith", which was published in June of 1996.
http://www.naacd.com/quotes_a-e.htm

[BikeWriter]

68. Here's a link!

But former President Jimmy Carter, a Democrat, once remarked of the fundamentalist leader, "In a very Christian way, as far as I'm concerned, he can go to hell!"

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/15/falwell.politics/

[Eric J in MN]

71. It still doesn't tell us what the context was. NT

NT

[Elidor]

69. I don't care which way he goes, just so long as I can go the opposite direction

God protect me from all religious freaks. Of which he was one. The man did incalculable damage to the political and social fabric of this country with his fundie agenda, so yeah: fuck him. I'll leave it to others to consign him to hell. I just think he was an example of all the worst that religion has to offer: blame, damnation, political agendas, dehumanization, greed, avarice, covetousness, pride, fanaticism and hatred. I'm not ashamed to meet hatred with hatred. Falwell was known to be a gracious man in person, and if I met him one-on-one, no doubt I'd find him perfectly charming. But his death is the obvious time to weigh in on his legacy, and it is a poor one indeed. The Moral Majority. The marriage of right-wing christianity to the GOP. His condemnation of victims - just like Fred Phelps - instead of compassion for their suffering. For someone purporting to be a Christian, he was a sorry excuse. He lived with the moneylenders in the temple, and fleeced the poor and gullible to finance his extremist propaganda and his growing empire.

Fuck him. And forget him. He's off on his way.

[Matariki]

73. Found the quote -

Carter ONCE said, while Falwell was still alive and NOT on hearing of his death: "Jerry Falwell can go straight to hell – and I mean that in a Christian way."


http://www.naacd.com/quotes_a-e.htm

[tom_paine]

75. And now he's in hell. n/t