85% of self described liberals approve of the job President Obama is doing

[mzmolly]

according to today's Dylan Ratigan show. While the 15% are perhaps the most vocal, it doesn't mean they make up the majority of the so called base.

Check in here if you're a fellow 85%-er!

:hi:

[Beetwasher]

1. Hate To Disagree, But

Pew Says 90%. :evilgrin:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8917753

[mzmolly]

2. Darn!

Wrong again. ;)

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

21. K&Ring to 0

I guess GD isn't too happy with this info.:crazy:

[uponit7771]

3. ",,,facts are wrong...." (actual quote for a hater)

[mzmolly]

37. LOL

Nice quote. :hi:

[lebkuchen]

4. I appreciate his support of the military family

However, his attitude that "those tortured deaths happened yesterday. Let's move on (far away from investigating Bush et al)" prevents me from contributing to the DNC.

[LoZoccolo]

5. 85%!

:hi:

[mzmolly]

16. Hey LZ.

:hi: LOL on the avatar. Such a rebel, you! ;)

[Scurrilous]

6. Thanks for pointing that out.

:thumbsup:

[rucky]

7. The polls today are swinging between 77 and 90%

Everybody's posting 'em today.

[LoZoccolo]

12. 77% is the total Democratic figure, which is lower because it includes moderates and conservatives.

[EFerrari]

8. That seems to be the preferred poll of the day as so many people are posting it.

It's a good thing no one is trying to frame and marginalize dissent. That would be undemocratic.

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama-dems.php

[KittyWampus]

24. It isn't dissent. It's the mindless reactionary screaming of ideologues

[LooseWilly]

55. I told you before... "reactionary" is a term for referring to the Right. "radical" is the term

you want for marginalizing the left.

If you keep using the adjective "reactionary" to refer to obvious leftists, you're going to begin to look like a rube. Just, FYI. :)

[Hannah Bell]

56. "it isn't dissent". whoa, that's interesting.

[Scurrilous]

65. ..

:thumbsup:

[BrklynLiberal]

9. I wonder what the results would be if there were more than only 2 choices...

like a scale from 1 to 10...1 being disapprove very much and 10 being approve very much..and those questioned were asked to pick number that reflected the level of their feelings..

[JI7]

10. YUP , i'm part of the Liberal Base that supports Obama overwhelmingly

[LooseWilly]

59. Heh;... absolutely nothing to worry about then, right?

You're not worried about 2010? 2012?

Overwhelming support... enjoy the mandate... but don't ask me for a fucking penny... :)

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[JoeyT]

13. So what percentage of those are people that are lying to the poll

and think he's done a terrible job, but don't want to give Fox News something to carp on?

Cause that's pretty much my stance and what I've done.

[mzmolly]

18. A very small percentage,

I presume.

[damntexdem]

14. I am disappointed by the job Obama is doing; but I support him.

I refuse to identify with either the 85% or the 15% as described here.

But I am sick and tired of Gibbs, and now many on DU, attacking those of us with complaints.

[TheKentuckian]

15. Yay

[amborin]

17. Wrong! Read about the flawed methodology used to get that fake number

[mzmolly]

19. Your link is broken.

:hi:

[scheming daemons]

20. "self-described" liberals.... people who consider themselves to be liberals

Nothing flawed about that methodology.

You don't get to decide which people are liberals and which aren't.



85% of people that consider themselves to be liberal support the President.



You're in the 15%. Own it.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

22. LOL but wait Liberalz is dirty word? Only a die-hard commie would wear that badge wouldn't they?

[WillyT]

34. LOL... That's What I Was Thinking...

So of the 20 people in the country who actually describe themselves as Liberal... 17 of them approve of Obama.

Way cool...

:evilgrin:

[Barack_America]

23. "self-ascribed"

[mzmolly]

26. Nope. "Self-described."

:hi:

[Barack_America]

61. The point still stands.

[mzmolly]

62. And your point was?

:eyes:

[LostInAnomie]

25. 85%er right here.

I'm amazed how many people that are smart enough to work a computer don't know how to actually read a statement and are in a near masturbatory fit of outrage.

[mzmolly]

27. I hear that.

:hi:

[Scurrilous]

50. Indeed. n/t

[depakid]

28. Here we go with this bogus canard again

Yep- the Republicans are poised to take back the house because everyone so supports the administration's pandering to the corporate right and inability to contain its derision for the base and its traditional constituencies.

:eyes:

[BzaDem]

29. Aw. Facts you don't like are now "bogus canards." You're too funny. n/t

[girl gone mad]

30. Polls aren't facts.

Least of all polls with an insignificant sample and a wide moe.

[BzaDem]

31. Gallup has tracked liberal Democratic support every week and it has consistently been between 80-90

since inauguration. Usually it leans more towards 90 than 80.

Some people just get really scared of evidence when it doesn't come out the way they want. They start attacking the whole polling industry, the English language, and everyone else. It's little more than desperation.

[mzmolly]

33. Ha!

"They start attacking the whole polling industry, the English language, and everyone else."

The English language thing got me. :rofl:

:hi:

[BzaDem]

38. :) I'm not joking either.

These evidence-hates (when confronted with high liberal Democratic support for Obama) will challenge the definition of "approve," "liberal," and "Democratic." It's amazing what contortions these people go through.

[mzmolly]

41. LOL

I've witnessed this phenom, now that you mention it. ;)

[depakid]

36. You've been told time and again why polls like this are essentially meaningless

but since you have no background in quantitative or qualitative methods or their application, all you can do (like most Americans) is continue to make shallow assumptions and come to spurious conclusions.

You conservadems have blown a once in a generation opportunity- and yet you are still (as always) incapable of accepting it- much less seeing why.

[BzaDem]

40. Just because some perpetually confused poster "tells me something" doesn't make it remotely true.

In fact, when certain posters "tell me something," it is more likely than not that the opposite is true.

[Number23]

60. You got that right!

:thumbsup:

[Hekate]

54. Yes it has

:thumbsup:

[mzmolly]

32. It's not bogus. Obama is suffering with independents, not the so called base.

On the national poll we'll release this week 85% of liberals approve of the job Obama is doing to 12% disapproving. 88% support his health care plan looking back with only 7% opposed.

Not only are those numbers good, but they're steady. Obama's favor with liberals hasn't been on the decline. In May his approval with liberals was 87/10. In February it was 81/15. In November it was 87/4. Even as his ratings have declined overall he's stayed in that sort of mid-80s range with liberal voters.

The volume of the voices of liberals who don't like Obama is much greater than the volume of their numbers, which probably means Robert Gibbs shouldn't let the select few get him so irritated.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/08/whatever_gibbs_said_liberals_s.html

[BzaDem]

35. One would think this were so obvious that it would go without saying

but obviously not to some people here. +1.

[depakid]

43. Obama and the Dems have a MAJOR problem with the base that wouldn't be reflected in the question

Right wing Dems want you to believe that isn't so- that pandering to the corporate right while alienating key constituencies doesn't have any effect. Essentially, they're lying to you (or are too dumb to know what the answers mean and don't mean)

A question about "support" says nothing about enthusiasm (to use one example) which is what Democrats much more than Republicans require to in elections. It manifests itself in volunteerism, donations and GOTV efforts.

People will answer yes to a support question base on a lot of factors-thinking about teabaggers, for instance- but that doesn't translate into on the ground support and it certainly doesn't say anything about favoring specific policies, many of which have more influence on behavior than a bare statement of yes or no.

Of course, people are free to ignore all of that- and continue believe that there's not a problem- and that the same dynamic that led to 1994 doesn't apply today.

Just run further and further to the right, keep insulting constituencies- and all will be OK.

In a way, I almost WANT that to happen. America and Americans didn't learn their lesson last go around- and perhaps the only way to achieve the structural reforms the nation requires is a more devastating collapse.

At any rate, thanks to this administration's and the Senate Dems "leadership's" half hearted efforts on the stimulus, healthcare and financial "reform" -it's probably inevitable.

[mzmolly]

46. "In a way, I almost WANT that to happen. America and Americans didn't learn their lesson ..."

This is a sick mindset. It is YOU who did not learn a valuable lesson in the Bush years Depakid.

[depakid]

47. Well, look at the policies- think they're going to stop the decline?

Nope. You're STILL fucked on the financial, health care, employment (including falling wages) and sustainability fronts.

Like an alcoholic, -or addict to right wing ideology, the nation probably needs to bottom out before it can gain the political will to enact responsible and effective public policy that benefits Main Street.

[mzmolly]

49. I find your position not only inaccurate,

but, anti-progressive.

[saltpoint]

39. Checking in with a yes on this, and hi there, mzmolly.

The arithmetic does seem to be running in the President's favor.

:hi:

[mzmolly]

42. Hello my friend.

Long time no see! :hi:

[saltpoint]

44. Hey there, good person.

It's always a kick to see you ping-ponging around the boards!

I hope all's well your way.

:toast:

[mzmolly]

45. And, ping-ponging I am these days.

;) All is well in my corner of the universe, thanks for asking. I hope all is well with you and yours, also. :pals:

[applegrove]

48. +100

[McCamy Taylor]

51. But...but...didn't you read the "divide and conquer" story at the Hill today?

[Change has come]

52. On to November!

No worries then! :bounce:

[Hekate]

53. Kicking and Recc'ing up to Zero! Woohoo! DU has his back!

oy

[Hannah Bell]

57. based on a subsample of 125 people.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8919215

[BzaDem]

58. Gallup has polled this subgroup every week since inauguration and it says basically the same thing.

Between 80 and 90 consistently (often closer to 90).

[Hannah Bell]

63. based on a sub-sample of 125 people, margin of error 8+%

[mmonk]

64. Could any of that be misinformation that he is a liberal?