To My "New" Dem Friends...

[Steely_Dan]

In listening to KO and Michael Moore tonight it occurred to me that they are saying exactly what I feel about the Gibbs comment.

Can you tell me specifically what parts of the KO piece (including the Special Comment) that you disagree with?

Does his piece sound like it comes from the 'Far Left?" Or is it a well thought out response that represents how most Dems feel whether they call themselves "progressives" or just Democrats?

Seriously curious.

-PLA

[Steely_Dan]

1. Okay...Any Center Dem Out There?

Beuler, Beuler,...anyone?

[ClassWarrior]

2. Hmmm... 10 minutes and no answers... but an unrec...

:eyes:

NGU.

[uponit7771]

3. Basically ignoring the point that the far left expect Obama to perform miricals with this congres

...congress that is ONLY 58% and is a simple majority and the essence of what Gibbs said is true along with the fact that MOST on the far left who are bitching aren't willing to lift a finger to help get the WH the congressional resources and some have gone as far to work against Obama personally to let him know they've told him so or some shit.

...that's bout it..

[ibegurpard]

4. any INTELLIGENT responses?

anyone?

[uponit7771]

6. When you can't fight the facts.......do this ^

[frylock]

22. we're not going to get your 83% democratic congress..

you've made your point. several times today. you even got called out for not providing the necessary resources in your own state. care to answer that?

[Individualist]

5. miricals? What's that?

[uponit7771]

7. A mispelled word giving those who don't want to argue the facts a chance to obfusKate

[Individualist]

9. Do what to Kate? Sounds obscene.

[uponit7771]

12. ...the same thing the far left has done to Obama....Kate him....(jus made up a word)

[ClassWarrior]

15. I'm on the far left and I don't expect that. See below.

NGU.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. I expected Obama to perform as he has. As an ambitious centrist"professional" politician.

Which is why I didn't vote for him.

[Atticus]

23. Are you for real? You are all over this board tonight with those same talking points and

percentages. That, by itself, would be annoying, but unremarkable. You go beyond that, however, by consistently attacking posters who YOU characterize as "far left", accusing them of not being "willing to lift a finger" to help Democrats and working "against Obama personally".

You are unfazed by not having one iota of substantiation to offer for your snotty remarks. As mentioned elsewhere, your whole attitude and demeanor amount to "aid and comfort to the enemy."

Are you just nasty by nature or are you just being "bipartisan" by accepting Republican obstructionism as "OK"?

[Steely_Dan]

8. I Mean...

Didn't he basically say what most of us on the Professional Left have been saying all day? It's not like I agree with KO or MM all of the time....But they basically have been making our argument. Any responses?

[uponit7771]

10. No, they too ignore the "....don't have the votes..." part as if the GOP isn't filibustering 90% of

...what comes out of congress

[Skittles]

11. "professional left" is any Dem who disagrees with half-ass, watered down "change"

[Steely_Dan]

13. KO Basically Went Over...

all of the points that have been made here by the PL all day...you know, watered down legislation, the wars, the whole healthcare thing, etc. etc. Anyone else?

[PA Democrat]

14. I thought MM and KO voiced my frustration very well.

I am really frustrated how the Obama administration negotiated with the right on policies even when the public was largely behind a more liberal approach like the public option, negotiation of prescription drug prices and the elimination of too big to fail financial institutions.

[malaise]

16. Frustration is one thing

but Obama is given very little credit here for his accomplishments

[Steely_Dan]

17. I agree...

[ClassWarrior]

18. No, I think that he is given plenty of credit here for accomplishments. But that goes...

...unremarked upon because everyone generally agrees that it's good when good stuff happens. While criticisms -- valid and not -- get push-back, which gives them more attention.

My 2 cents.

NGU.

[Steely_Dan]

19. Look...

I'm just trying to make the point that we so-called "progressives" are not Left Wing commie nut cases as has been implied by Mr. Gibbs. We are merely trying to insure that the basic tenets of our party are not abandoned. After all, we are the Party of the People.

-PLA

[ProfessionalLeftist]

21. Bingo! Thank you Mr. Dan n/t

[Hydra]

24. They don't want that

And that's the problem. Take you "tenets" and leave- Corp money will be used to buy positions from now on. That's basically the message here.

[Skidmore]

25. KO & MM were exactly on target and

I consider myself to be a liberal who is progressive. I've said this many times on this board--a liberal is by definition progressive. I don't get those labels and have long ago concluded that "progressives" are ashamed to be called liberal. I do not differ philosphically or politically from these individual. I get frustrated to but using the big club to batter is not always the answer to a problem. I guess I've worked around policy making processes long enough to know that the way forward is not always immediately discernable or the straightest path. I do think we have made considerable progress on many fronts with this administration. There is much more work to do. And, yes, the President should not lose sight of the people who put him in office.