Is dancing on Falwell's grave acceptable?

[Kelly Rupert]

Seems we've split into two camps here; I'd just like to see how many people think what. Is dancing on anyone's grave--even one as unlikeable is Falwell--immoral and disrespectful? Or is a hateful bigot just getting what he deserves?

Of course, comments are appreciated.

[rawtribe]

1. I don't like

dancing on pee.

:evilgrin:

[BurtWorm]

2. Good point.

:thumbsup:

Do they make tap galoshes?

[dave_p]

9. You missed my tribute?

That was lucky.

[shain from kane]

3. Don't touch your partner.

[Kelly Rupert]

7. Otherwise God'll give you AIDS*.

*Also, being a member of a society that condones partner-touching opens you up to AIDS.

[shain from kane]

20. Just like having sex, except for that lying down part. And don't dance with another person's wife.

That's adultery.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. How about some courtesy, huh?

You don't see me going around starting threads about how not dancing on Falwell's grave is immoral, or whether or not it's acceptable to not dance on Jerry Falwell's grave.

I wish people would extend the same courtesy. Do onto others, and all that.

:D

[dave_p]

19. And you don't see me ...

... posting on the morality or otherwise of posts about the ethics of threads about dancing or not dancing on Falwell's grave. This must stop - whatever it is. Hey, anybody got some B-52s?

[Kelly Rupert]

You looking for

Rock Lobster, overwhelming airpower, or an interesting hairstyle?

[dave_p]

35. I'd eat raw broccoli for that hairstyle

... but I just played "Dance this mess around" during Randi's ad break. :D

[JuniperLea]

5. Falwell was the epitome of all that is immoral and disrespectful

He had to see it coming. He preached hate; we listened:)

[slackmaster]

6. I've been away from my computer all day

Did I miss something?

[rasputin1952]

26. Well, it's beena normal day, right up until Falwell died a few

hours ago.

[slackmaster]

32. Got it. Thanks!

I spent $600 on new shoes for my SUV.

:mad:

[johnnie]

8. I guess it is acceptable to some people

There is no doubt that Falwell spread a lot of hatred in the world, but that was just who he was. I am not saddened that he died, but I don't feel right feeling good about it.

I don't think other people should react to things the same way I do either. There are many reasons a person reacts to different situations, and I'm not in any position to tell them how they should feel.

Personally, I feel that if I hate a person enough to be glad they died, then I'm no better. But that is just my personal feelings and should in no way be taken for how I think others should be.

[Kelly Rupert]

10. Do you believe there is a difference

between
1) hating someone for the color of their skin, and
2) hating someone for hatred as in (1)?

[johnnie]

31. I think there is a difference

But there are people who just are hateful, and it is almost a sickness. People who hate others for the color of their skin or their sexual preferences are not well adjusted mentally.



It would be a beautiful world if everyone loved everyone, but we have a long way to go before that will happen. I have my own "spiritual" beliefs, that keeps me from hating someone because they hate others. I honestly think that some of the hatred people show is an illness.

[Blashyrkh]

43. Thank you for being the one person to write what I was thinking.

I see a lot of people here expressing vehement hatred against Falwell for spreading vehement hatred.

Is it not hypocritical to justify your hate by someone else's? Why is your hate more "acceptable"?

[Kelly Rupert]

45. Do you believe that we as a society

should be tolerant of intolerance? Should we allow racism? Should we turn a blind eye to injustice?

[uppityperson]

11. No. You don't have to be respectful, can just say nothing.

dance in private if you want, but not in public.

[dave_p]

21. We don't have to be direspectful...

... but sometimes you gotta get it out.

After all, we're not saying people will suffer eternal torture for not joining in.

[Omphaloskepsis]

23. Then he should have kept his fucking mouth shut in public...

He paid his bills by spouting shit in public. I will dance in the middle of my lawn. I'm glad he is dead.

And if you think I am some hate filled monster. Maybe..

But my list of people I want to die just shrank... Only six people are left on it now.

[damntexdem]

12. No, no way -- too dangerous!

Too much danger of breaking through and falling all the way to where Jerry went.

;-)

[Captain Hilts]

13. No, because we're the Good Guys. We're not petty. nt

[Kelly Rupert]

16. I'd like to agree with you, but

DU seems to be showing your hypothesis to be flawed.

[EFerrari]

18. It is not petty to confront reality and to speak it. n/t

[slackmaster]

14. If it had been Fred Phelps, I'd have voted Yes

:nuke:

[never_get_over_it]

15. It is most certainly disrespectful

not sure it is immoral - but since this hateful ass did not earn respect or deserve it I'll be dancing the night away....

[EFerrari]

17. Dancing on the Grave of a Son of a Bitch -- apologies to Diane Wakoski

for context
. . .
I’m going to dance on your grave
because you are
dead
dead
dead
under the earth with the rest of the shit,
I’m going to plant deadly nightshade
on your grassy mound
and make sure a hemlock tree starts growing there.
Henbane is too good for you,
but I’ll let a bit grow there for good measure
because we want to dance,
we want to sing,
we want to throw this old man
to the wolves,
but they are too beautiful for him, singing in harmony
with each other.
So some white wolves and I
will sing on your grave, old man
and dance for the joy of your death.
“Is this an angry statement?”
“No, it is a statement of joy.”
“Will the sun shine again?”
"Yes,
yes,
yes,”
because I’m going to dance dance dance
Duncan’s measure, and Pindar’s tune,
Lorca’s cadence, and Creeley’s hum,
Stevens’ sirens and Williams’ little Morris dance,
oh, the poets will call the tune,
and I will dance, dance, dance
on your grave, grave, grave,
because you’re a sonofabitch, a sonofabitch,
and you tried to do me in,
but you cant cant cant.

[JDPriestly]

22. Falwell was a charlatan who took money from the poor to feed his

own ego. Falwell was a phony. He did a disservice to Christianity. His fake piety was disgusting. He was just as much a con-man as the guy who sells fake Picassos to people who want to collect art but are too ignorant to recognize a bad copy.

Falwell stole bits and pieces of the message that Jesus gave for free, repackaged them to convey Falwell's own message of hate and bigotry and sold them for his personal benefit. Where Jesus taught love, Falwell taught hate. Where Jesus taught forgiveness, Falwell taught revenge. Where Jesus taught mercy, Falwell taught judgment. Falwell reversed the story of the widow's mite. He oppressed the poorest, intimidating them into giving him money that they didn't have.

Falwell was not just mistaken or misguided. He was evil and he used his persuasive skills to guide others on the path of evil and hate. He drove more people away from true Christianity than he brought to it.

Falwell has become a historical personality. Is it right to say about an evil person, "Well, now he's dead. I guess I had better not say how bad he was after all." Does death absolve the wrongdoing? May God grant him the fate he deserves.

[Kelly Rupert]

24. Kick for more votes.

[regnaD kciN]

25. No, and it's a BAD idea beyond that...

Whatever one may think of Falwell, you can bet that any jubilation here will be picked up by the right and held up as proof of how "hate-filled" we are, that we could be rejoicing at anyone's death.

I mean, think of it this way: say it had been Ted Kennedy, rather than Jerry Falwell, who had been found unconscious in his office this morning. If the Freepers had broken out in celebration at the news of Sen. Kennedy's passing, wouldn't we have thought this was just more evidence of how lacking in humanity they were? The death of someone you disagree with, however strongly, should be no occasion for celebration.

Besides, as I posted elsewhere, others like Falwell will likely come along. The main thing we should be wondering about is not the man himself, but how quickly our culture and media was ready to recognize him as a major "Christian leader" based on his media presence and political influence, while disregarding the variance between his positions and the principles of Christianity. Unless and until we "wise up" on that matter, another Falwell will only be a matter of time.

[EFerrari]

28. There is no comparison between Ted Kennedy and this POS.

None. Senator Kennedy never called down damnation on innocent people, for one thing. He didn't make a career of spewing and spreading mindless hatred. This is a false comparison.

And if more like this POS are coming along, we need to get our act together in calling them out on their inhumanity

[WindRavenX]

27. I bought a bottle of bubbly when I heard the news

Fuck him. He was a scourge upon the earth.

[guitar man]

29. no, not acceptable

I'd rather drop a deuce on it! :rofl:

[mnhtnbb]

30. I'm just hopeful he'll get the judgment he's due...

[slackmaster]

34. A Mexican philosopher I used to work with put it this way

"When you're alive, some days are a bummer.

When you're dead, every day's a bummer!"

- Antonio Arumburro (RIP Tony)

[GreenPartyVoter]

33. He was a public figure who caused a lot of misery for others. His actions should be weighed

and for myself they were found wanting.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

36. I don't grave-dance, but I'm not sorry he's gone.

I'll reserve my pain for those who were hurt by him and for his family members, but not for that motherfucking bastard.

[Pyrzqxgl]

37. There was a Woody Guthrie song about "dancin' on ole Hitler's grave"

could be we should change it to "dancin' on ole Jerry's grave".

[KG]

38. dancin' machine

[TheMightyFavog]

39. I'm doing the Cosmonauty!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_xVXQCrPxQ

[Philosoraptor]

40. I'm not much of a dancer but I do drink an awful lot of beer.

[burythehatchet]

41. anyone know where it is?

:shrug:

[opiate69]

42. Acceptable? fuck, it should be mandatory!

If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell (attributed: source unknown)

This is probably as bad a day as the court has had on social issues since "Roe v Wade."
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, reacting to the Supreme Court's ruling in the Texas sodomy case, "Lawrence v. Texas," wherein the high court upheld an individual's (or a couple's) right to privacy; "It is a promise of the Constitution that there is a realm of personal liberty which the government may not enter," said Justice Anthony M Kennedy, for the majority in an opinion "as broad in its constitutional vision as any ever issued by the court," wrote Charles Lane for The Washington Post; in his dissent, Justice Antonin Scalia, an extremist Evangelical Christian, complained that the justices voting to uphold the right to privacy were creating a new constitutional right, that they were not upholding the Constitution, quoted from "Planned Parenthood Federal Action Report" (July, 2003) ††

I had a student ask me, "Could the savior you believe in save Osama bin Laden?" Of course, we know the blood of Jesus Christ can save him, and then he must be executed.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, cited in Cary McMullen, "Falwell: Now Is the Time for Gospel," in the Lakeland (Florida) Ledger (November 12, 2001), quoted from Randy Cassingham, This is True (18 November 2001). Falwell added: "We visit prisoners on death row, and some of them are saved, but we believe their sentences should be carried out because they have a debt to society."

God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, blaming civil libertarians, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, to which Rev Pat Robertson agreed, quoted from John F Harris, "God Gave US 'What We Deserve,' Falwell Says," The Washington Post (September 14, 2001)

The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, blaming civil libertarians for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, to which Rev Pat Robertson again agreed, quoted from AANEWS #958 by American Atheists (September 14, 2001)

And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say, "You helped this happen."
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, blaming civil libertarians, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, quoted from John F Harris, "God Gave US 'What We Deserve,' Falwell Says," The Washington Post (September 14, 2001)

I sincerely believe that the collective efforts of many secularists during the past generation, resulting in the expulsion from our schools and from the public square, has left us vulnerable.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, after the 700 Club broadcast wherein he had blamed civil libertarians, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, speaking to The New York Times, quoted from Dick Meyer, "Holy Smoke," CBS News (September 15, 2001)

I put all the blame legally and morally on the actions of the terrorist, secular and anti-Christian environment left us open to our Lord's not to protect. When a nation deserts God and expels God from the culture ... the result is not good.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, backpedaling amidst criticism of his statement blaming civil libertarians, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, quoted from John F Harris, "God Gave US 'What We Deserve,' Falwell Says," The Washington Post (September 14, 2001)

Pat, did you notice yesterday the ACLU, and all the Christ-haters, People For the American Way, NOW, etc. were totally disregarded by the Democrats and the Republicans in both houses of Congress as they went out on the steps and called out on to God in prayer and sang "God Bless America" and said "let the ACLU be hanged"? In other words, when the nation is on its knees, the only normal and natural and spiritual thing to do is what we ought to be doing all the time -- calling upon God.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, justifying the breech of Constitutional Separation of Religion from Government while blaming civil libertarians for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, to which Rev Pat Robertson again agreed, quoted from AANEWS #958 by American Atheists (September 14, 2001)

I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, America Can Be Saved, 1979 pp. 52-53, from Albert J Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom

AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.
-- Jerry Falwell (attributed: source unknown)

The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, Sermon, July 4, 1976

If we are going to save America and evangelize the world, we cannot accommodate secular philosophies that are diametrically opposed to Christian truth ... We need to pull out all the stops to recruit and train 25 million Americans to become informed pro-moral activists whose voices can be heard in the halls of Congress.
I am convinced that America can be turned around if we will all get serious about the Master's business. It may be late, but it is never too late to do what is right. We need an old-fashioned, God-honoring, Christ-exalting revival to turn American back to God. America can be saved!
-- Jerry Falwell, "Moral Majority Report" for September, 1984

It appears that America's anti-Biblical feminist movement is at last dying, thank God, and is possibly being replaced by a Christ-centered men's movement which may become the foundation for a desperately needed national spiritual awakening.
-- Jerry Falwell (attributed: source unknown)

There is no separation of church and state. Modern US Supreme Courts have raped the Constitution and raped the Christian faith and raped the churches by misinterpreting what the Founders had in mind in the First Amendment to the Constitution.
-- Jerry Falwell (attributed: source unknown)

The Bible is the inerrant ... word of the living God. It is absolutely infallible,without error in all matters pertaining to faith and practice, as well as in areas such as geography, science, history, etc.
-- Jerry Falwell, Finding Inner Peace and Strength

But these things speak evil of those things, verse 10 which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Look at the Metropolitan Community Church today, the gay church, almost accepted into the World Council of Churches. Almost, the vote was against them. But they will try again and again until they get in, and the tragedy is that they would get one vote. Because they are spoken of here in Jude as being brute beasts, that is going to the baser lust of the flesh to live immorally, and so Jude describes this as apostasy. But thank God this vile and satanic system will one day be utterly annihilated and there'll be a celebration in heaven.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, "Old Time Gospel Hour" broadcast, March 11, 1984, quoted by Rev Jerry Sloan, "Is Jerry Falwell a liar?" Freedom Writer, September, 1994

The Jews are returning to their land of unbelief. They are spiritually blind and desperately in need of their Messiah and Savior.
-- Jerry Falwell, Listen, America!

Grown men should not be having sex with prostitutes unless they are married to them.
-- Jerry Falwell, on CNN's Crossfire, May 17, 1997

I do not believe the homosexual community deserves minority status. One's misbehavior does not qualify him or her for minority status. Blacks, Hispanics, women, etc., are God-ordained minorities who do indeed deserve minority status.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, USA Today Chat, quoted from The Religious Freedom Coalition, "The Two faces of Jerry Falwell"

Dan Moldea, the lead investigator for Larry Flynt's ongoing quest to uncover sexual indiscretions of Republican congressional members, has now admitted he was hired by the law firm defending President Clinton.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, from "The Bizarre Flynt-Clinton Connection," in the January 15, 1999, "Falwell Confidential" fax report to 162,000 members, referring to the firm Williams & Connolly. Dan Moldea responded, "This entire statement is false and misleading, reckless and malicious. It is a complete fabrication." However, the San Diego Union-Tribune picked up the fabrication and ran it as fact. Quoted from The Religious Freedom Coalition, "The Two faces of Jerry Falwell."

We're fighting against humanism, we're fighting against liberalism ... we are fighting against all the systems of Satan that are destroying our nation today ... our battle is with Satan himself.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell (attributed: source unknown)

Billy Graham is the chief servant of Satan.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell (attributed: source unknown)


The ACLU is to Christians what the American Nazi party is to Jews.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell (attributed: source unknown)

AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharoah's chariotters.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell (attributed: source unknown)

You'll be riding along in an automobile. You'll be the driver perhaps. You're a Christian. There'll be several people in the automobile with you, maybe someone who is not a Christian. When the trumpet sounds you and the other born-again believers in that automobile will be instantly caught away -- you will disappear, leaving behind only your clothes and physical things that cannot inherit eternal life. That unsaved person or persons in the automobile will suddenly be startled to find the car suddenly somewhere crashes.... Other cars on the highway driven by believers will suddenly be out of control and stark pandemonium will occur on ... every highway in the world where Christians are caught away from the drivers wheel.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, in his pamphlet, "Nuclear War and the Second Coming of Christ," quoted from Ronnie Dugger,"Does Reagan Expect a Nuclear Armageddon?" in Washington Post Outlook (April 8, 1984)

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/qframe.htm

[Jamastiene]

44. What's the name of that song by Pink?

"Let's Get the Party Started"

There is no shame in dancing on joyous occasions. Talk of bodily fluids, however, go against DU rules. But, dancing is perfectly ok.

[Madspirit]

46. Twistin' the Night Away

Twistin' The Night Away
Sam Cooke


Let me tell you 'bout a place
Somewhere up-a New-York way
Where the people are so gay
Twistin' the night away
Here they have a lot of fun
Puttin' trouble on the run
Man, you find the old and young
Twistin' the night away
They're twistin', twistin', everybody's feelin' great
They're twistin', twistin', they're twistin' the night away
Here's a man in evenin' clothes
How he got here, I don't know, but
Man, you oughta see him go
Twistin' the night away-ay
He's dancin' with the chick in slacks
She's a-movin' up and back
Oh man, there ain't nothin' like
Twistin' the night away
They're twistin', twistin', everybody's feelin' great
They're twistin', twistin', they're twistin' the night away
Let's twist a while!
Lean up, lean back
Lean up, lean back
Watusi, now fly, now twist
They're twistin' the night away
Here's a fella in bluejeans
Dancin' with a older Queen
Who's dolled up in-a diamond rings and
Twistin' the night away-ay
Man, you oughta see her go
Twistin' to the rock and roll
Here you find the young and old
Twistin' the night away
They're twistin', twistin', man, everybody's feelin' great
They're twistin', twistin', they're twistin' the night away
One more time!
Lean up, lean back
Lean up, lean back
Watusi, now fly, now twist
They're twistin' the night away

[Solly Mack]

47. Those who can - Step. Those who can't - Step aside

[provis99]

48. what's wrong with being disrespectful towards the dead putz?

Respect is earned. Falwell just didn't rack up any gold stars for respect.

[hunter]

49. I'll bet Falwell's dancing somewhere...

... Probably because his feet are on fire.

[piedmont]

50. It was apparently acceptable to Falwell. He danced on the grave of 3,000 9-11 victims.

Since he claimed to be a believer in the Golden Rule, I take it he'd approve of using his death to make a political statement.

[spoony]

51. All the more reason not to.

[piedmont]

52. And why is that, exactly?

[Posteritatis]

53. Missing option: "Yes! And I should be ashamed of myself!"

[Vidar]

54. Hell yes!

[krispos42]

55. Can we do other things on his grave?

Operation Solo Stream, Operation Duece Drop...

Maybe it can become a tradition for gays to sneak into the cemetery and have hot sex on his plot?

[whirlygigspin]

56. Tammy Fae says 'Dance'!

[Greyhound]

57. So far this poll confirms that you can get 1/3 of any group to oppose or support anything.

Especially if it involves making a value judgment about others.
:kick: