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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 05:01 PM
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hey cenk, the President did not flip-flop on his mosque statement.
i expect that shit out of the opposition.

in for big ed m$nbc
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 05:04 PM
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1. "I expect that shit out of the opposition"
I expect that shit out of cable news media pundits that various corporations hire to "speak for the left."
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 05:09 PM
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2. Yep
@#$% Professionals...:thumbsdown:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 05:31 PM
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9. my cynicism doesn't run that deep yet, but it's getting there.
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 05:14 PM
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3. He's doing a good job beating the Republican up
who keeps over-using the word 'sensitivity'.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 05:16 PM
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4. He took David Winston apart pretty well.
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CherylK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 05:31 PM
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8. He sure did!
:toast:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 05:35 PM
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10. have to give him that one...
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another saigon Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 05:19 PM
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5. um, at the very least
Edited on Mon Aug-16-10 05:20 PM by another saigon
being the sterling orator everyone claims, why always the ambiguity? He could be straight forward without the wiggle words, yet continues the vagueness when it really is a Yes or No answer. All of the rest is filler.


Here is a comment from Media Matters I completely agree with.

http://mediamatters.org/research/201008150005


Obama, Day 1:

As a citizen, and as President, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country. And that includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in Lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances.

Obama, Day 2:

I was not commenting on and will not comment on the wisdom of making a decision to put a mosque there.


Sounds like a backtrack to me.

The proper response should have been "America stands for religious freedom, which is why this tenet was included in our Constitution. To demonstrate that commitment with actions, not words, I will be traveling to New York City to personally dedicate this new Muslim cultural center. Religious leaders of all faiths and denominations from throughout New York City will be with me. I invite Republican Congressional leaders to join us at this event and demonstrate with THEIR actions that they are as dedicated to upholding the Constitution as I am."

Of course, you will NEVER hear a speech like that from President Obama, because that would cause him to take a strong stand on a contentious question. Instead, he'll continue to temporize, attempt to negotiate with Republicans who say "NO" to everything as a campaign tactic, and give us half measures on what he promised during his campaign while continuing to advocate for the worst excesses of the Bush administration.

If there were 99 Democrats in the Senate and 1 Republican, the body would still be paralyzed as the 1 Republican DEMANDED to have input into all legislation and the Obama administration continuously tried to negotiate with that 1 Republican in an effort to obtain "bipartisan" support, while all the while the 1 Republican could never be satisfied -- he'd be saying "no" just to stop Democratic initiatives, and Obama would let him. Axelrod, Emanuel and Gibbs would be on TV and Reid would be on the stump saying "everyone knows you can't get anything done in the Senate unless you have 100 votes".

Barack Obama will NEVER be found behind a barricade.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 05:29 PM
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7. you see no difference between commenting on the right and not the wisdom
they are two seriously differing things.

the right is what it it....the wisdom is an opinion

doesn't sound like backtracking to me one bit.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 05:55 PM
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12. Obama should just repeat the same phrases, over and over ...
Come up with a framing, repeat the words, never deviate in anyway.

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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 06:22 PM
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13. Um that was an odd statement.
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Barack2theFuture Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 05:28 PM
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6. he 'clarified'
that's not the same thing.

You see, this way, his supporters can declare "victory" no matter what happens!

:loveya: :grouphug: :fistbump: :woohoo: :applause: :headbang: :patriot:
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