Did I hate falwell? Yes. Does that make me a 'hateful person'?

[Philosoraptor]

Some here are surprised that there are 'so many hateful people' here, and they are upset that we are saying hateful things about the extremely hateful late reverend falwell.

Did he not invite hatred? Did he not foment hatred? Did he not turn his brand of Christianity into a hate filled one? Was he not ALL ABOUT HATE?

Am I supposed to forgive him his lifetime of spreading hatred just because he croaked?

Am I maybe supposed to even forgive him and speak respectfully of him now?

NOBODY could hate like jerry hated, or nearly as much. He used hate like a tool, like a sledge hammer, like a nuclear bomb, hate was his thing, he invited hate, he enjoyed the hate exchange, he reveled in hatred, he used it like an artist.

Now my kids and grandkids will tell you that I am not a hateful person, I have hate in me, we all do, and no one brought it out like jerry. Hate does not consume my life like it did jerry's, I hate, you hate, we all hate a little, some of us hate a lot, but nobody could hate like jerry, so fuck his hateful ass, that's one less thing to hate in this world.

[YOY]

1. I think it might be one of those "Look long into the abyss" things...

If you concentrate too much on a hateful person you become a hateful person.

I'll shed no tears, but I won't stifle a laugh that I wouldn't have when he was alive at some false sense of "respect for the dead."

I'm just trying to figure out if he actually did anything nice or charitable that had no long term benefit for himself.

Not coming up with much...so much for the "good Chistian" he wanted to portray.

[Tyler Durden]

2. Apologise for hating Falwell? No way.

I repeat:

It is about time WE came to the realization that WE HAVE ENEMIES, and their failures and their deaths are NOT a cause for our remorse.

Falwell helped kill every single gay person who has died of a hate crime since 1980.
Falwell helped kill every single soldier who has died in Iraq.
Falwell helped kill every single Iraqi civilian who has died since 2003.
Falwell's legacy will kill Women who die for the lack of health care or a safe and legal abortion.

I wonder where these people were who want to be kind to this pig in death when Slobodon Milosevic or when Pol Pot or Kim Il Sung died.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

4. Bingo

I have been at it since last night with this. Save your sorrow for the victims of his hateful agendas.

Come to think of it, this was exactly what I was saying when Reagan died three years ago.

[Tyler Durden]

6. I came across these AIDS figures:

http://www.avert.org/usastaty.htm

I see Falwell and his ilk being at least as cooperative in the Deaths from AIDS and the Deaths in Iraq as the Guards on the towers at Auschwitz are for the Holocaust. They may not have stripped the victims and shoved them into the gas chambers, but without them it wouldn't have been possible.

In my cosmology, Falwell was guilty being an accomplice to mass murder and atrocity. Normal people rejoice at the death of monsters.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

7. I agree.

Don't let people make you feel bad for having this reaction. Nobody here wished for his death, but it is what it is. Bottom line if you want to be remembered fondly by the majority of people in your life, don't be a hateful bigot during your time on earth.

The people on this board who are "taking the high road" are just trying to draw attention to themselves. Also, I assume they aren't part of any of the groups this person vilified during his lifetime.

[Clark2008]

5. It would surprise you to learn that we do have some Milosevic

defenders on this board.

I remember it from 2004 when Wes Clark ran and they accused him of genocide. Wow!!

[PVnRT]

8. Exactly

The man was slime and he rightfully burns in hell now.

If that upsets the weenie contingent here who think that politics should be a game of paddycake where everyone gets along, feel free to put me on ignore.

[Tyler Durden]

15. May we BOTH smirk as we see our vengeance take place.

From the first moment I ever heard "Vengeance is mine; I shall repay sayeth the LORD," I was more than happy to pipe up that the Lord was a little too easy on some of his flock deserving of that vengeance.

I'm not a Klingon: I want my vengeance served HOT and QUICKLY, with a tip for the prompt server.

[Ganja Ninja]

3. I prefer a brand of hate that isn't varnished over with a phony ...

religious piety. I hate in my own name not in Gods. That and about 200 lbs of ugly blubber is/was the difference between me and Jerry.

[Zywiec]

9. The power of hate

"When we hate our enemies, we are giving them power over us: power over our sleep, our appetites, our blood pressure, our health and our happiness. Our enemies would dance with joy if only they knew how they were worrying us, lacerating us, and getting even with us! Our hate is not hurting them at all, but our hate is turning our days and nights into a hellish turmoil."

-- Dale Carnegie

[elocs]

17. Agreed. Hate hurts the hater, but we feel justified in hating the haters. n/t

[atreides1]

10. No you're not a hateful person, you're a human being

Some here insist on taking the "High Road", while others are more honest about their feelings regarding this person, but those on the "High Road" are the people who would bring a knife to a gun fight or are charter members of the Rodney King Can't we All Just Get Along Club!

As you said we have all hated, but the difference is that we are honest about it and we don't use God or the teachings of Christ as a justification for that hate.

I never liked the man when he was alive, and I see no reason as to why I should be a hypocrite like some on this board and show respect to some one who never earned it.

[liberal N proud]

11. I didn't see many of the things posted on DU as hateful as much as lack of remorse

It is hard to have any remorse for someone as hateful as Falwell was. He exploited his brand of hatred wherever he went.
What I hate is that there are still bigots out there like Falwell, he created many monsters in his wake and we will be dealing with that hate for some time to come.
But when we exhibit no remorse for the demise of one of the evil, we can't be guilty of anything but being human.
Evil is a human trait, we must work at being civil and compassionate. Falwell failed at those, but that is not between him and his God.

[Cobalt Violet]

12. No your not hateful.

The people preaching we should be nice are dead wrong. Look where playing nice has gotten us. No more inane nice.

[pampango]

13. Is it hate speech to express hatred for a hateful person? n/t

[Frank Cannon]

14. You don't have to "hate" someone to be glad they're dead

I feel the same about his passing as I would if I went to the doctor and found out a colon cancer that I had was gone. Relief. Jubilation.

[Philosoraptor]

16. I'll be glad when you're dead you rascal you,

I'll be glad when you're dead you rascal you,
When they bury you 6 feet deep,
No more fried chicken can you eat,
I'll be glad when you're dead you rascal you.

.......traditional

[Hubert Flottz]

18. I liked Jerry more than he liked me.

Does that mean I hated him?

He undermined the last duly elected president day in and day out on TV, when our troops were in the field in Eastern Europe. He called Bill Clinton everything from a murderer to a whore monger and sold video tapes on TV about all that crap. He HATED the Clintons.

[seabeyond]

19. I have hate in me, we all do

no, we all dont. it seems when there is a trait that needs to be jutified the "we all do" comes to play. but no, we dont al feel the need nor have the desire to hate.

[Iris]

20. WWJD? (What Woud JERRY Do?)

I guess we could reframe our hate and say we "Hate the sin, not the sinner."

[MrPrax]

21. As a fellow America philosopher

once explained:

So I don't believe in violence-- that's why I want to stop it.
And you can't stop it with love, not love of those things down there. No! So, we only mean vigorous action in self defense, and that vigorous action we feel we're justified in initiating by any means necessary.
Now, for saying something like that, the press calls us racist and people who are "violent in reverse." This is how they psycho you. They make you think that if you try to stop the Klan from lynching you, you're practicing violence in reverse.
Pick up on this, I hear a lot of you parrot what the man says. You say, "I don't want to be a Ku Klux Klan in reverse." Well if a criminal comes around your house with his gun, brother, just because he's got a gun and he's robbing your house, and he's a robber, it doesn't make you a robber because you grab your gun and run him out. No, the man is using some tricky logic on you.

...

Let us practice brotherhood among ourselves, and then if others want to practice brotherhood with us, we're for practicing it with them also. But I don't think that we should run around trying to love somebody who doesn't love us.

Malcolm X - 1965 Speech

In other words, no your not a hateful person for speaking out against people who have publicly stated they want you dead.