Do you find it odd that right wingers refer to DU'ers as hateful? Hateful?

[Philosoraptor]

As if we invented hateful. Which party is the most hateful? Gimmee a fucking break sean hannity and boortz and malkin, you lurk around here looking for quotes to call us hateful when your souls are so saturated with hatred it's coming out of your ears.

Yeah, we liberals are so awfully, awfully hateful....don't make me laugh.

[Ian David]

1. They don't like it when the objects of their abuse have the balls to fight back, or even get ANGRY.

It's called rightous anger.

Fuck them.

[bunkerbuster1]

2. Not at all. They project like a multiplex

and so they imagine their political opposites to have all of their own failings.

You've been watching, paying attention and so forth, for the past 20-30 years, yes? Noted how the Goopers have appropriated terminology from the 60s civil rights era and tried to call First Amendment advocates "anti-Christian bigots?" (just to pick a really obvious example.)

[terip64]

3. hmm,Clear Skies Initiative, No Child Left Behind, Homeland Security, notice any trend...

toward BULLSHIT!!

It is what they do best and I believe it is what will do them in. I am just getting tired of waiting!

[BoneDaddy]

4. Hateful is Hateful

and yes, I have found alot of DUers hateful at times. See, philosoraptor everyone has a blind spot and I think it is funny that the liberal community does not recognize it's own "darkside" (so to speak). We are as guilty as the right wing fundies of not practicing what we preach and can act as despicable as we can identify the "others" as being.

[Zywiec]

8. I agree with you Bone Daddy.

Hate is hate and one's is no better than another's.

[wildhorses]

17. i agree

i have seen a lot of hateful posts on this website...

[elocs]

18. Absolutely right. Hate is hate.

But the attitude here is that our hate is ok because it is a righteous hate and we only hate the bad guys. The trouble is that the other side thinks and feels the same way. Hate hurts the hater far more than the hated.

[mwb970]

22. So, for example, it is wrong for me to hate Bush and Cheney?

I am supposed to watch them destroy my country for six years and feel what, then? Mild pique? A somewhat nettled sensation? What would be acceptable to you?

Maybe we don't agree on what "hate" means. When I say I "hate" Cheney, for example, I mean that I consider him to be an evil person who is using his vast power (Cheney is the most powerful man on the planet) to undermine America's Constitution, the very basis of our nation, while making America (and therefore me) hated and despised around the world. I mean that I want to see him removed from power by any means necessary, as soon as possible. I mean that I find his comments and actions to be despicable and in many cases criminal. I mean that I want to vomit every time I see his ugly snarl on my TV.

I'd use another word or phrase if I knew one. "Strongly disapprove" just doesn't convey the depth of my antipathy for Cheney (and Bush and Falwell and Hannity and Limbaugh and and and and and).

Dictionary.com defines hate as (first definition): to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry. That about sums it up.

[wildhorses]

31. hate the disease (and yes, it is a disease) NOT the person

that is my philosophy....ymmv

[Dorian Gray]

32. It's okay to be angry

at injustice. It's okay to be riled up and take action. But to HATE is to poison yourself. It will only create tunnel vision. Hate corrupts. Righteous anger is very different than hate. It doesn't necessarily blind you.

I'm angry about the mess that we, the USA, have made of ourselves during Bush's presidency. We are mired in a endless war, we've escalated hatred around the world for us, and we ignore poverty and other domestic issues that truly hurt our citizens. It's shameful. But hatred doesn't do anything to change that.

Pointing out where people are wrong is never a bad thing. Hating them, however, is. It's pointless, and it's a waste of energy that you can spend actually changing the world.

[MGKrebs]

34. You know how you feel, and trying to assign precise words or

definitions to it may not be easy. How that feeling is expressed is more significant, at least to those around you. We can express ourselves differently depending on the context. Sitting around with friends in a bar is one thing, a social occasion with strangers is another. An internet community with anonymous identities is yet another, and I guess we are still figuring out how to establish standards of conduct here.

[elocs]

76. How does hate for Bush or Cheney affect them personally?

Does it make them have a bad day? Does it make their blood pressure rise? Does your hate for them influence their digestion or how they react to people around them? Does hate for Bush and Cheney make your (anybody's) life better? Or does the hate for Bush and Cheney make you feel powerless since you are limited to mostly ranting and venting about them and your hate for them? Is hate a good tool for thinking straight and clear and working effectively to make things better? If you (not just you personally) really think that hate makes you a better person then you should embrace it with all of your being and I am sure then that your hate will help you live a long and happy life, except that it will probably eat you away from the inside.

It's odd that as I type this there is playing a public service announcement on tv about hate. At the end it says that hate is the most offensive 4 letter word there is. That's right. The song does not say "what the world needs now is hate, hate, hate". There is plenty of hate already. Hate does not make the world a better place and it is not a good tool to change the world to make it better.

[Carolina]

41. respectfully disagree

by that logic a lie is a lie, etc. PERIOD. But we all recognize that lying about a blowjob is a far cry from lying about a war. The law even recognizes degrees of homicide: involuntary manslaughter versus intentional murder ...

Bottom line is yes, we liberals have our hate, too. But overall we hate injustice, intolerance, deceit, hypocrisy ... and by extension those who preach it. BUT what really distinguishes us is words versus actions. The RIGHT has systematically overtaken the government, the judiciary, the media, some school boards and turned its VICIOUSNESS OF TONGUE INTO VICIOUSNESS OF ACTION.

We talk junk on DU because of our collective need to vent but I daresay that in public, face-to-face, we're likely a very civil group.

[BoneDaddy]

62. So what you are saying is

that hate is ok as long as it is on a website and not acted out?

That unfortunately is when it needs to be addressed before it becomes action.

[grace0418]

45. Excellent post elocs.

Well said.

[BoneDaddy]

60. That is exactly my point

Each side feels totally justified based upon their belief systems. The problem with it is it only begets more hate.

I am not saying we have to like these people or not legitimately criticize them. I am talking about the individuals who are harbour a visceral hatred that they end up sounding like the very scary people on the other side. It isn't the content of the language but their process.

[TankLV]

84. But you don't get it - we ARE the "good guys" THEY are the EVIL ones!

You just don't fucking get it...

You'd think it was wrong to be joyful at Hitler's death...

You just don't fuckin get it at all...

You're argument is bullshit.

Complete
Utter.
Crap.

Our's IS "righteous" ANGER and they ARE the "bad" guys.

If the bad guys feel slighted because they are hated, it is JUSTLY DESERVED!

You don't get it at all...

[cwydro]

23. Agreed also

There seem to be a lot of very nasty people here and sadly, many are long time DUers.

[Arkansas Granny]

27. You are certainly right about that.

[Occulus]

59. And wrong is wrong

The which, you are.

I don't want to take anyone's rights away. I don't want to take anyone's life away. I don't want anyone to lose or lack job protections because of who they're with, in any capacity, off the job. I don't want anyone to have to hide who they are, unless of course who they are is someone who is trying to do harm to me, directly.

You know who I hate, who I have every right to hate? The people who do those things to me, or you, or anyone else here.

"..everyone has a blind spot..."

Why, yes- and yours happens to be the inability to distinguish between rational anger, legitimate fear, and a desire to see those things creating those feelings gone from yours and everyone else's life, and irrational hatred- the act of hating someone because of what they think, or who/what they are.

If you're not allowing yourself to hate genuine evil, you're doing your part in allowing genuine evil to exist.

[BoneDaddy]

63. Ok

Never once did I say that DUers shouldn't say that... I agree with free speech. Only that it is hypocritical in hating the haters and they win when they are able to evoke such a visceral emotion from you. The opposite of love is indifference, not hate, so when Jerry Falwell dies, I choose to be indifferent to his death and not revel in a blood orgy of " hypocritical compassionate liberalism". I just don't care about his death. You, and others, are turning it into an opportunity to justify your most ugly, Fallwellesque sides of yourselves... Truly sad.

"If you're not allowing yourself to hate genuine evil, you're doing your part in allowing genuine evil to exist."

Are you high on something? I NEED to hate evil or I am allowing it to exist? Wow, you are a trip. I will do everything I can to stop evil, but I do not have to hate it. Why would I want to embody that which I do not like in someone else.

You make the same mistake as the other side does and then try to justify it.

[Occulus]

70. My god, I cannot believe the unmitigated gall of some of the people posting on this

"in hating the haters and they win when they are able to evoke such a visceral emotion from you."

Excuse me? These people want to kill me! IT SHOULD evoke a visceral emotion, ass, it's called the SURVIVAL INSTINCT!!!!

Can you please get it through your head that this is not irrational hatred?

"You make the same mistake as the other side does and then try to justify it."

I don't want to beat them, I don't want to kill them, I don't want to deny them housing, I don't want their loved ones forced away from them while they're in a coma, I don't want to prevent them from holding hands in public, I don't want them to live in constant fear of even going out in public, I don't want their kids to be so afraid to go to school that they're actually experiencing PTSD symptoms, they want to do all that and more to me, yet if I hate them, it's the same as them hating me.

Gotcha. You, and everyone who believes as you do, are going on my ignore list from now on. You make me just as angry at you as I am at Falwell.

[BoneDaddy]

72. Have fun with your hate

and I hope it does not eat you out from the inside. I can almost picture you now. Apoplectic, veins bulging, heart racing.

Survival mechanism is not hate. Hate is a choice. And yes it is the same thing because the emotion itself is not rational, you just do not act on it but it all starts in the mind and because you do not act on it you do not think it is destructive to you or anyone else.

Do you know what such strong negative emotions like hate do to the body and mind over time? Hold onto it long enough and you will see. That kind of emotional and psychological stress wrecks both. So years from now, long after Falwell is dead, you will still be carrying around that hate. Enjoy.

[TankLV]

85. Thank you.

But I don't put them on ignore - I want to read every bit of rubbish and see how foolish and disgusting they all are...

They make me sick.

THEY are the main reason this country is in the shape it's in.

Now that we finally have a chance to change the direction of this country, THEY are the first ones on this "bipartisan" bullshit bandwagon now that the jig is up.

It's time to pay the piper and we will NOT give up or stop dishing it out...

[Hawaii Hiker]

5. Exactly..Do a Google search

& one could probably come up with TONS of mean-spirited & hateful tirades from the Hannity's, Coulter's, Savage's, etc. of this world..

The right are the ones who invented the hate & mean-spirited way of communicating.....Goes back to a TV show I remember seeing in the late 1980's called the "Morton Downey Jr. Show"...That was one of the first times I ever saw such in your face "if you don't agree w/me then your stupid" form of communication...Downey Jr. was a conservative guy to...

And of course, who can forget the unrelenting hate the right unleashed during the Clinton years...

Right wing pundits are nothing but a bunch of whiny fucking hypocrites....:puke:

[Iris]

6. ha!ha!ha!According to them we are "hateful" yet we are too worried about hurting someone's feelings!

Which is it?

[Raksha]

7. They focus on our alleged "hatred" because they stopped

even TRYING to defend the objects of it a long time ago, and they're hoping we won't notice. But Jerry Falwell has actually been an embarrassment to them for a long time.

[EV_Ares]

9. Have never thought much about it because the Reich-Wingers are

only projecting out who they are and what they are about. The right is all about hate and vengeance which includes racism and anyone who is not like them.

How can they call us hateful when they also always say we are weak, afraid of war, etc; which also makes no sense. The Right makes no sense and look at the shape of our country since they have taken control of the republican party and got control of our government.

Our country since the right has got control has lost all respect in the world. A president who will be the first to lose two wars simultaneously, a country that is divided and full of hate and vengeance. No intellectuals in office, constant failures in every area you look, the justice department, military, homeland security, everywhere.

They have to blame someone I guess.

[maine_raptor]

10. No, why should I?

We do the same to Freeperville.

It's human nature to "hate" what you don't agree with. Both sides condemn the other sides "hate" as if to justify their side's righteousness.

We should "hate" the "sin" (political view) and not the "sinner" (conservative or liberal, depending which side you're on).

[Tyler Durden]

11. My dear friend, it's called "transference."

These tin-plated little wannabe dictators with their delusions of Godhood occasionally look into the true mirror of the soul, and as they recoil in horror, they have to direct their self-view outward; either that or look for a gun with which to blow their brains out.

Or, they could really be the soulless little demons they appear to be.

[seabeyond]

12. people made the choice. embrace it. dont shy from it. justify or deny

yesterday there was plenty of hate on this board.

if nothing else. that will make us different than the right, if we acknowledge.

but in one of your post you say all have hatred in them i believe. it not i apologize but i think i remember reading in one of your posts. it isnt true. some people are quite comfortable living life without hate. it is not something we have to have. we chose

[T_i_B]

13. It's not odd in the slightest

There's loads of hatred on DU all the time.

Just because some on the right are hateful does not exclude the left from behaving in the same manner. Quite the opposite in fact.

[DemBones DemBones]

14. Not when DUers have been dancing on Falwell's grave

before he's even buried. Thread after thread after thread rejoicing over any man's death IS hateful.

Yes, there are many hateful right-wingers. We all know that. But why give them more ammunition?

Instead of complaining here about them, why not channel some energy into writing to their sponsors or editors urging them to stop carrying their programs or columns?

[TankLV]

86. You don't fucking get it...

You never will...

[L. Coyote]

15. Nomore odd than the number of infiltrators at the Chicago Anti-War Demonstration.

Let's have a monent of silence to think about Cheney and the NY Times article. First you plant the story ....

Ratf**kers.

[EstimatedProphet]

16. We're also warmongers too, in case you haven't heard

And we're the racists and bigots. About the only thing Republicans claim for themselves is being responsible. Wrong on all counts.

[Hubert Flottz]

19. I never hated anybody until I got drafted and the Army told me

it was normal to hate Charlie, because he hated me!

[dogday]

20. I am hateful of this war

and I am angry and ashamed for my country because of the Iraq war....

[Perky]

21. My only complaint is that we criticize the RW for being hateful and then we do pretty

much the same thing. We can't be hateful in the opposition to hatred and expect to convince anyone of anything. They started it, but responding in kind does not get us anywhere. Anger is justifiable. Hatred of the other guys only serves to entrench anfd there is a place for dialog if we ever want to improve the lot of others ne they on the Gulf Coast or Anbar province.


The problem with rthe hetoric on both sides is that it is just that. rhetoric...it is not discussion. This is not a call to compromise...simply saying that is always valuable to listen and that is hart to do wuith steam coming out of everyone's ears.

[cwydro]

24. Too bad we give them the ammuntion

to make that point.

[devilgrrl]

25. Wait until Jane Fonda dies.... we'll see venom like never before...

it'll make our comments about Falwell look like ass kissing.

[dave_p]

26. The hate here has been for those who abuse power ...

... and for those who persecute others less well-placed than themselves.

The Right's full of hatred for Muslims wanting their country back, or for French leaders having the audacity to represent their country's interest rather than a clique of US neocons.

The Right created the hatred. They're about to regret it. What goes around comes around.

[WillyT]

28. Is Despise The Same As Hate ???

Just curious.

:shrug:

[MGKrebs]

29. No of course not.

We do and say hateful things here all the time.

There are many reasons to not mourn Falwell, but celebrating his death publicly, in this place, where I also am a community member, is "over the line".

Some seem to feel that they can come here and express any and all feelings they have as if this is there own little private playground with no consequences or effect on anybody else. But this is a community and is shared by many. The personality of this place is shaped by the posts that appear here. If we let hateful writing dominate the community, it will become a hateful community. Sign me up on the side that will resist this.

I encourage writers to be responsible for and considerate of the community you participate in. Your writing is public, it can be hurtful, it does have some small effect on others, and just becasue someone else "did it first" is not a good excuse. Because of the anonimity and ease of publishing it seems people abandon any sense of responsibility for their actions.

[Occulus]

66. Why, thank you so very fucking much for throwing gay people under the bus

Do you have any conception of the number of people who have honestly, truly suffered and in some casses DIED because of that evil fat fuck and his followers? Do you have any clue how many of his own followers he completely fleeced?

Do you even CARE?

"Your writing is public, it can be hurtful," "..celebrating his death publicly, in this place, where I also am a community member, is "over the line"...

Oh, well, allow me, then, to treat your sensitive little 'line' like the foul line of the Olympic triple-jump:

Are you fucking kidding me? I should be silent, then, and not say I'M VERY VERY FUCKING GLAD JERRY FATFUCK FUCKING FUCKER FALWELL IS DEAD, apparently?

By saying what you did above, you're actually helping people who still believe as he did, by telling those of us who were (and even as I type, still are being) truly victimized by this particular brand of caustic evil, by people who did and still do believe as he did, to sit down and shut up.

"If we let hateful writing dominate the community, it will become a hateful community."

I'm going to say it ONE more time.

IT IS NOT WRONG TO HATE GENUINE EVIL. In fact, if you don't hate genuine evil, you help it.

Jerry Fatfuck Fucking Fucker Falwell was a genuinely evil man. Those of us who were and still are truly victimized by him, his beliefs, or his followers, have every right under the sun to hate him and everyone like him right back. Since these people actually want to kill me and people like me, I think you need to examine how you feel a bit more closely than you have.

[MGKrebs]

74. I suppose "evil" people die everyday.

And "evil" people do evil shit everyday. If you and enough others here want to make this the place where we go to hate back at evil people, then I guess this place will be full of hate.

[Virginia Dare]

30. As the good Reverend would say..

you reap what you sow.

I don't like hating anybody, and I don't enjoy feeling good about someone's death. It's nothing I'm proud of, but hateful people bring out hate, it's a natural fact.

[stray cat]

33. Hate is clearly on both sides of the spectrum

[LTR]

35. Here's a few examples

Courtesy of El Drugbo:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x899271

And how will they speak when Louis Farrakhan, Jimmy Carter, Ted Kennedy or any of the other targets of their rage pass on?

[Canuckistanian]

36. I'd like to see a side-by-side analysis of us and, say, LGF

For one average day's worth of posts -

-Who uses the most hateful speech. Ad hominem attacks, name-calling, racist or homophobic remarks.
-Who threatens violence against opponents
-Who knowingly uses false information to smear someone

I doubt we'd lose that one.

[lpbk2713]

37. It wasn't that long ago when Ann Richards died .....

the RWers were ecstatic. That doesn't justify anything on our part but it does illustrate their hypocrisy.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

38. Aren't they the same tender hearted humanitarians who call for nuking Iraq & Iran?

The same ones who frequently suggest that DU'ers, Libruls, Atheists, etc, should be hunted down and executed for "treason"?

My heart bleeds for the hurt feelings of the Freepers and other fascists.

[johnnie]

39. So they hate us...

...because we are hateful?

:crazy:

[proud2BlibKansan]

40. You can accuse me of hating right wingers

But they brought my hatred on, with their dishonesty, manipulation and neocon war mongering.

[Puglover]

42. Me? Hateful?

Nah. I'm totally a peaceful guy. Why I'm sitting here enjoying Monserrat Caballe singing Cast Diva and enjoying a lovely breakfast of liver, fava beans and a fine chianti. Not a hateful bone in my body.

[jollyreaper2112]

43. not surprised

They also call us faggots and child molesters. I believe this is called projection?





I'm just waiting for them to accuse us of oil well bukkake.

[Solly Mack]

44. I have no problem despising those who would oppress me

I don't want to oppress them - I just want them to leave me alone

They want me to leave them alone while they oppress me.

[RedStateShame]

46. It's only "hateful" when you're critical of white, straight, wealthy men.

[CTLawGuy]

47. well TODAY

I don't find it odd.

[Balbus]

48. To say we're more hateful is absolutely ludicrous.

But to say we're less hateful is equally as ludicrous.

[Gregorian]

50. That's an insightful statement.

Wow, you've caused me to pause and think.

I believe there is a thing called righteous indignation. But I'm not sure it makes any difference.

I like your observation. But in general, I think liberals are kinder people.

[LeftishBrit]

49. Well, we DO hate a number of the people in power...

I admit to hating Bush and Cheney and despising Blair.

I think there is a certain difference between hating powerful political figures, and hating whole groups of people. E.g. I get upset if people seem to hate or hold collective resentments/ contempt for immigrants, Jews, women, men, children, elderly people, disabled people, us Brits, Iraqis, Japanese, Christians, atheists, Moslems, or even for ALL Republicans as individuals. If they hate a political figure, it doesn't bother me in the same way. So if e.g. a freeper is obsessed with how terrible the Clintons are, I think they're ridiculous about it, but I agree it's no more hateful than me hating Bush or Thatcher. (I admit, I'd have been upset if someone pissed on the grave of a politician whom I liked and had died young, like Robin Cook or Mo Mowlam; but even that wouldn't upset me in the same way as hateful remarks about immigrants or Jews, etc.)

Also - I think I may differ from some people in that I don't think 'grave-pissing' is the ultimate form of hatred, although it's normally in bad taste. The ultimate form of hatred IMO is to rejoice at someone else's severe pain or suffering. I admit, I've (metaphorically!) pissed on the graves of several public figures whom I hated. But I don't think I've ever gloated or joked or been snarky about a public figure getting cancer or another very serious illness. That to me is much worse than being flippant about them once they're actually dead. So I think different people have different limits.

ETA: one form of hate that I *have* come across slightly too often on DU is wishing that a criminal would be raped in prison. Usually about right-wingers, but I've even seen it about violent juvenile offenders. This bothers me much more than any grave-pissing, on either side of the fence.

[slackmaster]

51. I'm subjected to hatred from DUers quite often

Some of us are unable to separate differences in political opinions from the need for mutual respect among human beings.

[Cha]

52. Who cares what they

say? They're okay with destroying our country in the name of a fake god and turning everyone into good little Americans.

Hypocrites and Liars and I'm suppose to take anything they say to heart? I don't think so.

[Catherine Vincent]

53. Right wingers wrote the book on hateful. n/t

[librechik]

54. we hate racisim and war and neglect. We're outrageous! How dare we!

Ouch the hate is hurting my racism!

[porphyrian]

55. I don't give a fuck what they say.

Once I realized they were spewing more bullshit and lies than anything else, I found it easier to assume everything coming out of their mouths is bullshit rather than waste the effort trying to find something true in it.

[EnviroBat]

56. I was listening to WhhhaaaNity last night trying to keep my food down.

He was calling on all RW knuckle dragger's to DEMAND that Nancy Pelosi, (who according to him is in frequent contact with the administrators of liberal blogs), shut down these hate-filled sites! I'm sure little Der Fuhrers would love nothing more than to shut us all down Hannity, you traitorous maggot. Now you want to call our mommies and tadd-le on us widdle boy? If you think we're partying now over the death of your beloved Falwell, wait until Cheny checks out. It's gonna be like fucking New Years and 4th of July with some Saint Patties Day and some Cinco De Mayo for flavor! And yes, all of the Pinata's will be shaped like you fucker.

[Philosoraptor]

57. Oh that glorious, rapturous day when big dick bites the big one.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

58. Well, Many DU'ers Are. Many Of Them Are As Well. Neither Side Is Clean.

So no, I don't find it odd. I do however find it to be disappointing. There is far more hatred put forth on DU then would be expected from a group of progressives in my opinion. Far too much hate. There are many here who are absolutely beautiful in their words and actions which is why the good outweighs the bad. But it is still very disappointing at times to see the level of hatred that some can spew here and even more diappointing the levels to which it's attempted to be rationalized.

In the end, no large community is perfect I guess.

[DS1]

61. I hate right-wingers, and I don't care who knows it.

[JitterbugPerfume]

64. Hate only hurts the one who hates

the hated ones are not affected one way or another.

We can have righteous indignation toward the likes od Fallwell and Cheney et al , but when it becomes hatred , it becomes distructive to us , not them.

[AlCzervik]

65. not really, it's projection imo. The rw platform is hate. I myself can be petty

and a bit of an asshole at times but i don't think i'm fueled by hate--their side imo is.

[spanone]

67. This mainly comes from people who make their living keeping people divided.

Personally I couldn't give a rat's ass what any of those low-lifes think.

[RamboLiberal]

68. Agreed - Why is Free Republic never referenced by liberal

hosts as a hateful site? Compared to Freepers we look calm and rational!

[hyphenate]

69. I don't think we're particularly hateful

But I do think when someone on the right ends up dead, in ill health or other sad situation, that we express an awful lot of glee. While some might have an actual reason for doing so, I don't think it sits well to spew vitriol when there are such circumstances.

It's rather nasty to take out our feelings on someone who can't fight back, regardless of who they are. If we are to follow some sort of moral authority, we need to look to the future, comment about the person's legacy and how it had affected both the world and the individual, and move on. Except most people don't do that, and many will find reasons to express un-contained joy instead.

In my own situation, I am grateful that there is one less, powerful religious leader to manipulate politically, but I fear that there are others out there who will be even more extreme and who will seize power someday. However, I would rather remain indifferent toward Falwell's death, because people are not immortal, and we're all going to go sometime. I make note of it and try to concentrate on other things, other issues and what can be done or what can't be done, to make changes.

[sheerjoy]

82. It is just sad

that Democrats - we who try harder to be good - say some of the most haeful things. I never knew my counterparts were so cruel...but DU has taught me... I won't join in on it, but I see what "they" mean.

[gatorboy]

71. "STOP LISTENING TO FRANK!"

[Jeffersons Ghost]

73. you tell um bro!

[Geek_Girl]

75. It's just another republican talking point

It doesn't have to make sense. They are the masters of framing. Yesterday, liberals were elitist, now we are hateful, tomorrow we will be cowards or some other derogatory noun. It's just a way for them to market themselves to the sheeple.

[Monk06]

77. Cornerstone of Nazi propaganda. Also referred to by George Orwell as double speak.

1) Always pretend to be the victim when in
fact you are the agreesor.

2) When attacking an enemy on their own soil
always claim you are acting in self defense.

3) When the enemy accuses you of racism for
attempting to dismantle equal rights protection
for minorities call them race-baters.

4) Women who point out that discrimination against
women and minorities in the workplace still exists,
refer to them as Socialists and FemiNazis.

Please feel free to add to the list.


And for those who wish to turn who wisht to
history on its head (FReepers):

The inital enemies list of the Third Reich consisted
Socialists/Communists, Jews, Gypsies, Gays.

If Hitler had won the war all non Aryans would be
enslaved or exterminated, meaning the world rightly
belonged to a small minority of white people.

If he were alive today Hitler would say, "the world
hates us for our Freedoms" (sic)

[opihimoimoi]

78. They call it Projection in China.....

[EFerrari]

79. No, not odd at all. I call it the Wingnut Project-O-Rama. n/t

[sheerjoy]

80. If the foo shits n/t

[BlooInBloo]

81. (shrug) DUers agree with them. They don't have a monopoly on idiocy.

[Forkboy]

83. If I really hated the guy I would have danced on his living body...

...instead of waiting for his grave to host my foot stompin' boogie.