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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 05:23 AM
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Tea Party favorite continues class war against the poor
Allison Kilkenny's blog
Tea Party favorite continues class war against the poor
by Allison Kilkenny | August 24, 2010 - 10:55am
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/node/30921

I write a lot about how certain elite (pundits, politicians) have made it their quest to criminalize poverty. David Walker, a lackey of billionaire and Social Security pirate, Pete Peterson, openly pined for the days of debtors' prison, which is actually already a reality in six states. Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) proposed an amendment that would demand mandatory drug tests for welfare and unemployment beneficiaries. A particularly enlightened commenter on my blog summarized the logic behind the amendment thusly: "you gotta make sure they're not on the crack pipe."

Previously, I have also written about hiring practices that act to preserve America's permanent underclass, and how some employers are now making it a practice to check potential employees' credit scores. Poor people are buried under extravagant loans, which they might never fully pay back, simply for attempting to pursue higher education. Some students actually resort to killing themselves to escape debt, but these are isolated instances that shouldn’t overly concern anyone.

Then there was the embarrassing spectacle of the ruling elite dangling the carrot of unemployment relief before the noses of millions of jobless Americans. There were actual lengthy debates about if the country could really afford the lavish benefits ($300 a week per person) to help people survive the recession during a time when the U.S. is engaged in two separate tremendously expensive military occupations – not to mention the shadow wars in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, etc. – and after taxpayers spent trillions bailing out the crooks on Wall Street.

Now, a Tea Party favorite Carl Paladino has thrown his hat in the poor-bashing ring.

Paladino said he would transform some New York prisons into dormitories for welfare recipients, where they could work in state-sponsored jobs, get employment training and take lessons in “personal hygiene.”

Don’t worry. The program would be totally voluntary.

As we all know, the only reason the undesirables are poor is because they don’t know how to correctly use a loofa. It has nothing to do with institutional racism, archaic and racist drug policies, the prison-industrial complex, stagnate wages, corporate outsourcing, or a government more interested in waging war than properly funding schools.

No, all we need to do is lock away poor people in far away buildings where the normies won’t have to look at them. Really, nothing kills a day more than having to see one of those beggars.

Unsurprisingly, Paladino has a problem with New York social services benefits. He promises a 20 percent reduction in the state budget and a 10 percent income tax cut if elected. Of course, by reducing benefits for jobless people, the underclass will expand, but then we can just throw all those losers in a warehouse and go back to worshipping at the feet of the Aqua Buddha.

Paladino is in good company. Fellow teabaggers Rand Paul and Sharron Angle place the onus of unemployment on the unemployed, and of course this has been the territory of Conservatism for years: it's your fault you're unemployed. Intellectual giants like Rush Limbaugh constantly say things like unemployment benefits "do nothing but incentivize people not to find work."

Paladino is just taking that dehumanization of the poor to its logical conclusion. If it’s their fault they’re jobless, then it follows that the unemployed are somehow lesser beings – not really like us. We should just lock them away, throw away the key, and hope we never inherit the same fate.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 05:36 AM
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1. God damned idiotic teabaggers
Fucking waste of oxygen
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 10:58 AM
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12. But, its OK when DUers propose the same thing? The problem only exists with the RW?
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 11:52 AM
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15. No
But you knew that already
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 12:59 PM
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20. How would I know that. There wree no protests of it.
It is time to stop blaming everything on the RW, and look at the lack of concern for poverty on the part of the "progressives".
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 01:52 PM
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24. It's a "no" because you're the DUer making a point out of it
It's gotta start somewhere. Why not with you?
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 02:12 PM
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25. Right. ONE PERSON.... over and over and over, getting nowhere because
one person is ignored.

you know that.

You also know that one poor person will NEVER be heard, and that is why we are so easily picked off.

This kind of Rugged Individualism is exactly WHY this country is in such poor shape.

Let me know when you are able to have compassion, and come to those who express pain and the need for support.

Telling us to go off and do it ourselves is ... cruel.

Just plain cruel.

And NOT the tradition of "progressives" and "liberals". But you know that. It just doesn't matter, as long as you can pretend it doesn't have to do with you.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 06:26 AM
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2. More about NY GOP Governor candidate Carl Paladino...
Edited on Wed Aug-25-10 06:34 AM by dajoki
Pols pound GOP governor hopeful Carl Paladino for 'prison' plan
BY Kenneth Lovett
DAILY NEWS ALBANY BUREAU CHIEF
Tuesday, August 24th 2010, 4:00 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/24/2010-08-24_pols_pound_paladino_for_prison_plan.html

<snip>

Paladino campaign manager Michael Caputo shrugged off the criticisms from what he says are status quo politicians.

"They attack Carl because they fear the change they know is coming," Caputo said.

Paladino's plan would convert empty and underutilized prisons into centers where those on welfare and unemployment insurance can receive job training, state-sponsored work, housing and lessons in "personal hygiene."

He likens it to the Civilian Conservation Corps created during the Great Depression.


Paladino, an outspoken Buffalo businessman with ties to the Tea Party movement, created a stir this year when racist and sexually explicit emails he forwarded to pals leaked out.

He also has said Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver (D-Manhattan) belongs in prison and should be beaten up "a little" on the way.



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/24/2010-08-24_pols_pound_paladino_for_prison_plan.html#ixzz0xcFmUdxj


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/24/2010-08-24_pols_pound_paladino_for_prison_plan.html#ixzz0xcF93pZo
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 06:43 AM
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3. Good

Ain't no great percentage gonna go for a return to the workhouse, though they will be loud. The Republican Party is disintegrating, only world class ineptitude and fecklessness could lose against them....
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 07:32 AM
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4. Doesn't it shock anybody...
that a person running for the highest office in one of our most populous states has an eerily similar plan to the re-education camps of VietNam?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 09:55 AM
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8. Why would it shock anyone paying attention?
What, you'd think that America and Americans didn't condone and advocate torture or something?

This sort of foulness has pervaded the radio for going on 20 years.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 10:59 AM
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13. You're absolutely right. Complacency is laudable.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 12:56 PM
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17. I know, but I still find it shocking...
Edited on Wed Aug-25-10 01:26 PM by dajoki
that a person running for that high of an office would have the guts to propose something so vile.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 02:15 PM
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26. Of course they "have the guts". Look at how we are isolated, told to do it ourselves.
Edited on Wed Aug-25-10 02:16 PM by bobbolink
"THEY" fucking know that! They know we are on our own, which is exactly WHY they come after us!

Cowards will go after the most vulnerable every damned time. Because it is allowed. Because nobody else will speak out. Because nobody else will put themselves on the line.

"Why don't *you* do it yourselves?"

And therein lies the answer to all of this.

It is happening because 'good people' say nothing and do less.

All they can say is,"You do it, and don't give up".

shit.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 07:42 AM
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5. How many "empty and underutilized prisons" are there?
Do they really build them at a rate that outpaces incarceration in New York? Maybe ya'll should just stop building prisons then.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 08:45 AM
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6. Maybe he plans on building more just for the poor n/t
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 09:51 AM
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7. They have closed some farms & camps...people do love their prisons thou.
Edited on Wed Aug-25-10 09:52 AM by Historic NY
http://www.docs.state.ny.us/faclist.html

http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/albany/20100317/204/3216
(note census counts will change as legislation is pending)

people would freeze look on the maps to see where the proposed closures are.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 10:01 AM
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9. Thanks. That second article was a fascinating read.
It does go a long way to explain why a politician would feel safe outlining the outrageous idea of state sponsored ghettos for the poor and unemployed.

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Blue Meany Donating Member (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 10:28 AM
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10. I think we should convert prisons into mandatory housing for politicians, where
they can get lessons not just on personal hygiene, but personal ethics, responsibility and common decency, and how to live on a poverty income.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 10:53 AM
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11. The is just another step down the slope of converting the U.S. in to a more draconian
Big Brother police state.

I believe for profit prisons; to be immoral, bordering on evil which can only lead to national catastrophe as financial incentives are institutionalized via lobbying, aka legal bribery to imprison the American People and this is just a different take on it, targeting the poor.

If Paladino's proposal is passed it's only a matter of time before they try to privatize it.

Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, dajoki.



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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 11:01 AM
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14. *MY* question---- If unemployed people can be expected to receive $300 a week,
why isn't that then a reasonable amount for sick, old, injured people to have to live on?

Do we all LOVE homelessness so much that we want to perpetuate it because we are too damned complacent to demand better?
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 12:52 PM
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16. Bingo!!
It is bad enough now that deserving people are being denied their benefits. Wait till the "catfood commission's" recomendations are made into law, which I'm sure they will be, they won't be able to cut a senior's or disabled person's checks fast enough. And our children will be left with nothing.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 12:57 PM
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19. Its not just the children. How many here care about the deaths that will follow?
I no longer have any hope that "progressives" will EVER take this seriously.

Homelessness? Ppffftttt! Not important.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 01:18 PM
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22. Just from reading...
DU it seems that the issue has even lost support in the last few years.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 02:17 PM
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27. And part of that is that we allowed it to lose support.
Sitting around, waiting for a leader.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 08:32 PM
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28. Fear...that having not enough is becoming too close for comfort...
Thinking that keeping the poverty out of sight, out of mind is some kind of protection...


Corny maybe but "Do not ask for whom the bell tolls...it tolls for thee"...
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 12:57 PM
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18. The teaklan (which is what they are) pine for the 'good ole days'.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 01:04 PM
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21. Government welfare for the owners of private prisons = fascism.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 01:23 PM
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23. But until all of you are there, it just won't matter.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 08:36 PM
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29. K&R nt
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